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The Disposition of Hank III & Shooter Jennings By XXX

March 1, 2011 - By Trigger  //  Random Notes  //  284 Comments

A few days ago, someone posted this on Hank III’s message board.

It seems everyone wants to criticize Hank III, second guess him, pontificate of how he should live his life and what direction his music should go. I’d like to see those people try to fill the biggest boots ever handed down in country music while fighting off a malevolent music label. I say just enjoy the music, that is what it is there for. And if you can’t, leave it.

But don’t forget who brought you back into country music after years of disappointment from the mainstream. Don’t forget who introduced you to country music when you were listening to who knows what kind of filth. Don’t forget who introduced you to Wayne Hancock and Dale Watson, and a slew of other musicians who have changed the very complexion of your life, brought you countless joy, helped you through endless sorrow. Don’t forget who made you feel hope that maybe everything in country music isn’t lost. Don’t forget who introduced you to countless other fans who now feel like family. Don’t forget who made the music that was there for you when nobody and nothing else was.

If it wasn’t for Hank III, I wouldn’t be here. If it wasn’t for Hank III, YOU wouldn’t be here. Hank III created all of this: this genre, this scene, this website, your interest, everything. We may not even be able to agree what to call this music, but we can all agree to call Hank III the king of it, and always will be, whether he puts out another country album or not.

It looked familiar, but I didn’t know from where until someone else pointed out that I wrote it in my review of Hank III’s last album Rebel Within.

Saving Country Music grew out of “Free Hank III”, which was built to battle Hank III’s label Curb Records that was refusing to release his music. Just like many underground country fans, when I first heard Hank III’s album Straight to Hell, when I first saw the eerie resemblance to his grandfather, so stark you could not deny you were looking at country music royalty, a vision of Hank III rising up to become a formidable force in country music washed over me with a tingling sensation. Like the Outlaws of the 70′s, he could turn Nashville and country music on its edge, and right the wrongs of the past 30 years. He could save country music.

And he almost did. From the strength of his music, incessant touring, and one of the most loyal fan bases this side of The Grateful Dead, Hank III created a colossal movement in music that spawned dozens of new bands, united thousands of fans, and created a vibrant underground in a genre that had never had one before. But Hank III ascended 9 rungs up a 10 run ladder, and then stopped. Maybe because of label troubles, maybe because he didn’t want to ascend to that hillbilly throne, even though it was sitting there waiting for him, ripe for the picking. And ever since some time in the late 2000′s, this huge army of fans, bands, DJ’s, podcasters, bloggers, etc. has sat bivouacked, waiting for marching orders, believing every word of songs like “Trashville” and “Dick in Dixie”.

But marching orders never came. Ideas floated out there to help unite the music were never followed through with. Reinstate Hank became headless. And now loyalty has withered, interest has waned, and disillusion and desertion from the Hank III camp is common. That is the reason I said what I said in that Hank III Rebel Within review, and why it was reposted a few days ago. Because people grumbling about a lack of direction need to be reminded of where it all started. There were others before, but for our generation, it started in earnest with Hank III, and that will never change.

Meanwhile Shooter Jennings was putting his own records out, and creating his own fan base. Shooter was a little more accessible, a little more mainstream, but maybe not with the loyalty or influence. A one-sided feud broke out between Shooter and Hank III, which precluded the two ever joining forces.

But now Shooter has started XXX. It is hard to gauge just where it is, and just how far it has gone, but for certain it is not going away. As I said in my first comments about XXX, comments in which Shooter himself said I was being “extremely critical”:

Finally, FINALLY, an artist is trying to show some kind of goddamn leadership, in some capacity, whatsoever.

One of the problems was, and is, is that it’s Shooter. This was supposed to be Hank III’s fight. He built this army. I’m not saying this out of disrespect to Shooter, this is just an observation. Shooter being at the helm of XXX is a criticism you’ll find repeatedly in the XXX opposition. It doesn’t mean XXX is doomed, but it has held XXX back. Meanwhile Hank III, who you could argue should be leading the fight, is not commenting on anything, not engaging anyone, likely doesn’t even know that XXX exists at this point, or at least the details of it, and seems paralyzed by indifference.

When I saw Shooter perform his industrial rock album Black Ribbons live, I said:

I really hope this is the end of my Shooter Jennings coverage. Unless he does the whole “going back to my roots” bit in a few years, it’s just not germane to what I cover. But I’m very glad that I can dot the period on a positive note… though I will never be able to get behind elements of his new album, I can truly say his live performance was top notch.

I thought that would be my last word about Shooter. Now there’s talk he will have a new acoustic country album coming soon. Meanwhile it might be 2012 before we see another country album from Hank III. Word is he’s focused on his “Attention Deficit Domination” stoner rock project, despite saying in an interview with Outlaw Radio that he was planning on releasing a country album, and either an Assjack or Hellbilly album “within a month” of his contract expiration with Curb. It has now been 2 months, and there’s no word on either project. It has also been since October that Hank III toured. Numerous requests for information or interviews have been denied.

This is NOT a comparison of the two artists, whatsoever, nor any attempt to set up another combative environment between them. It’s simply an observation. Who would have guessed six months ago that Shooter Jennings, SHOOTER JENNINGS, fresh off an album release that had little to do with country, would be the big voice behind unification of “too country for rock, too rock for country” music. On his Sirius/XM radio show, he is playing Rachel Brooke, Jayke Orvis, Roger Alan Wade, Whitey Morgan, Hellbound Glory, and Joe Buck (see playlists here). Meanwhile Hank III has canceled opening acts on his tours, a tool that used to be a big break for underground bands, and his over indulgence of “drinking and drugging” themes has become comedic fodder throughout the country world, including from people who embraced Straight to Hell when it first came out.

The sad fact is Hank III would not recognize most, if not all those names Shooter is playing, except for the one he kicked out of his band. I do have some concerns that Shooter is picking out bands that have signed on to XXX instead of bands that clearly define his “too country for rock, too rock for country” parameters, but it is a start. He’s trying to use his recognizable name to give bands a leg up, something Hank III has a rich history with that can’t be denied, but has seemed to abandon. Hank III’s relevance is slipping, and XXX is helping to fuel that, though I truly believe it is inadvertently. Shooter also plays Hank III on his radio show, and has been for years.

I’m not giving any answers here, only questions and concerns. Not criticisms, just observations. I have severe, deep loyalty to Hank III, but I am loyal to the music above any man. As inexplicable as it is to think that Shooter Jennings has now taken the helm from Hank III in the effort to help highly-talented up and coming country bands, it is also undeniable.

284 Comments to “The Disposition of Hank III & Shooter Jennings By XXX”

  • You make some good points…especially re: III whom I completely ignore at this point unless he’s releasing a new album.

    My initial reaction to this whole XXX thing is to laugh and ignore it. As I’ve said on numerous occasions, it’s a complete shit name for a movement and, I’m sorry, but I think Shooter isn’t the right person to be heading this thing up….the community just doesn’t trust him…that said, he can change that (even with me)….then, there is the personal part of me that just wants to say…”oh. Hi. Shooter. Hi Adam. We’ve been here in the ditch covering these acts for years. Thanks for swooping in from your failed country music career and failed magazine to shine a light on this ignored niche. Were it not for you these bands wouldn’t eat. Woohoo twunts.”…..again, that part, admittedly, is just bitterness from years of thankless bloggery.

    That said, good for Shooter and his playlists. I was impressed when I looked at them earlier….hell, if I had satellite radio I’d listen to the show.

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    • I don’t know if I am the only person on this site that has XM, since when I mention it, I get jumped on as if XM is some giant luxury. I have XM vs. cable/internet at my home. Much cheaper.

      Shooter’s show is very good. He is a great host. I don’t like the XXX name either, but when he first introduced it on his show, the way he presents it, it isn’t as bad as we all think. I would encourage people to listen to his show before they comment on how bad XXX name is.

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      • are you kidding me?
        “no, dude, you need to listen to him explain it before you really “get it”
        That’s the very definition of a shit name for your movement.
        ESPECIALLY when XXX is already, you know…symbiotic with porn…..and blocked by every filtering app on the internet.

        Thanks but you know what….even if Mark Twain explained it, it’s still a shitty name.

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        • I totally agree with what you’re saying IceCold, that people should give something a chance before bashing it, if for no other reason than it gives your bashing more credence. But Autopsy is right, Shooter’s involvement and the XXX name are two of the biggest things holding it back, and if XXX is going to be successful, it will be because proponents understand that and figure out how to either resolve those concerns or work around them instead of pushing them off as irrelevant or stupid.

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          • Great Article Triggerman, while I do agree that the name (XxX) is holding the movement back, and I can see how shooters involvement can be holding it back too some extent, I honestly think its also one of the reasons its being brought to peoples attention.

            “too country for rock, too rock for country”

            I think that’s more of a slogan they use as oppose to an accurate description of the movement, I think Shooter, (and Adam) are doing it for musicians who aren’t accepted in the mainstream version of the genre they’re normally associated with.

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        • I am not saying how Shooter “explains it” but how it is presented in the context of a radio show. There is no confusing it with porn at all.
          I agree, if you have to explain something, then it is probably a problem. But as Shooter himself discussed where the name comes from in his Jashie P interview, XXX is the alternative to AAA format. For industry insiders, radio execs. that seems to make sense.

          Triple X radio hour isn’t as tough to swallow as you might think when you hear how it is presented.

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          • yeah but this thing is supposed to be a movement. At some point it has to move off shooter’s show and into other avenues where it won’t have a founder to explain to the parental block filters that this a music thing and the xxx is an industry insider backhand to the AAA format and not ass-to-mouth videos.

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          • Autopsy, I agree. But at the same time, genres like “stoner rock,” “death metal,” “dirty blues,” etc have all faced and defeated those same issues. If anything, the name being somewhat less than family friendly will pique the interest of people, especially young people.

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          • problem is, none of those names are synonymous with porn. I like y’all’s confidence that you can get over that hurdle but I, for one, don’t share it.

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          • Exactly Autopsy. It needs to move from his show to bigger areas, but give it a chance. Jesus, the format is what, two months old, just starting out, and there are a lot of artists that have signed up on it. A lot that we support. I just think those that don’t like the name don’t like Shooter, and you gotta look past that when you see artists like Biram, Whitey Morgan, Justin Townes Earle, etc… on board with it.

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          • I’m thinking about XXX as a MOVEMENT not a radio show format…Bigger picture.

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      • I’m pretty sure not everyone that hates the XXX name hates shooter. If I’m correct Jashie P has made that clear. And I love Shooter but hate a few aspects of the XXX movement.

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        • Indeed ArkansasOutlaw! I agree with you. I seriously hate the XXX name (and will never endorse or promote it as to me it denotes porn), yet I support the movement and have chosen to sign the petition. I’m not a huge fan of Shooter Jenning’s music, however I do now hold him in very high personal regard after reading the comments he left on this here site. He seems like a spirited, dedicated and sincere individual. I only associate myself with good people and he seems like good people.

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  • Trigger- I have been critical of some of your recent blogs, but this is one of the best I have read on here since I began frequenting this site. I am a Hank III fan. I am not a blind follower of his, but I do like him and his country music when he makes it.

    I think it is very big of you, and I imagine pretty hard to swallow your HankIII pride and see things for what they are. I have questioned whether your site is truely “Saving Country Music” or just saving lost country music, seaving the bands that don’t get pubilcity or to save Hank III? Not that you need my blessing, but this article is proof you are about the music, no matter who is backing it or playing it, if they are doing the music right, that is what matters.

    Shooter has some pretty big shoes to walk in as well, and he certainly has had some questionable career moves, as all artists do, but he seems to embrace it and find ways to grow, whereas Hank III keeps talking about “one day” or “when I am free”, he has to get over it and grow.

    Shooter’s cover of “Call Me the Breeze” on the Skynyrd tribute is fantastic. If he is putting out an acousitc country album, that could be something special.

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  • I’m a stron supporter of all three Hanks. Right now I have on Hank III and was listenin’ ta that ‘fore I came ta look at this site once again. Here is a rather long article on Hank III about his 4th album. He mentions not havin’ a lineup when he does an album an some other things http://www.americanaroots.com/2008/10/27/features/hank-iii-tells-us-how-it-is/ …also he mentions his dad not talkin’ about reinstaten’ Hank Sr.

    Don’t ferget Hank is still tourin’ with Arson Anthem on top of wantin’ the stoner doom metal side project. Right now Hank III should be very busy. Plus he doesn’t have a company ta put out a new country album since he’s not with Curb. I feel there is more on the horizon than we kin imagine at the moment. That article might help shed some light on how it is with Hank III.

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    • You hit the nail on the head. I am sure Hank 3 is terribly busy writing, recording and mixing new material. Come on it has only been 3 months since he ended his relationship with Curb. He could not do anything from a recording perspective while he was still under contract to them. Plus we all know (at least those of us in the industry) that the lead time on a new CD is at least 3 mos. I know there will be new Hank 3 music this year and it will most certainly be worth the wait!

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      • If you or anybody else thinks that the theme or even one of the major points of this article is to bitch that we are not going to see another country album for a while, you are completely missing the point. That was one very minor point made in a larger theme being put together by a Hank III fan.

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  • I love this article. It’s incredibly thought provoking and the points you raise are undeniable. It also makes me very sad. You are absolutely right about the reason most of us are here is Hank III. However, his presence seems to be diminishing. I wish he’d release something or at least give his fans an indication of what we can expect and when. I’d not thought about how Shooter has stepped up and claimed the crown, and I think you are right. Essentially it seems to be that Hank III vacated his position, he left an an opening. Shooter stepped in. However, I would much prefer him to be spearheading a movement such as XXX than some random from the mainstream pop country scene that thinks they have outlaw cred. Thanks for the article Trigger, it’s got me thinking.

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    • “than some random from the mainstream pop country scene that thinks they have outlaw cred”

      I’m not sure this is a fair account of Shooter. I have been critical of some of his music, but I think it’s a long stretch to call it pop country. Shooter’s motivations for XXX come from his own struggles with the mainstream world ignoring his music.

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      • “Shooter’s motivations for XXX come from his own struggles with the mainstream world ignoring his music.”

        Isn’t there something inherently wrong with this statement?
        It goes back to my earlier “the community doesn’t trust him” comment.
        Sometimes, it seems like Shooter’s goal is to be the mainstream and he keeps hitching up to different things in an effort to get there.

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        • Well, there you go. I can’t blame Shooter for playing Rachel Brooke and Jayke Orvis, but at the same time, I can’t blame anyone for refusing to get behind XXX because of the name or Shooter. So I’m relegated to being a ridge runner I guess.

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        • What is there not to trust about Shooter?

          Has he ripped anyone off? Has he tried to be something he is not?

          He had a rock band, he was young, lets remember not everyone of our musical heroes came on the scene like Hank Sr.
          Shooter made some albums that were country, and some very good songs on those. Perhaps as he got older, he learned a bit more about the music that really inspires him.
          Black Ribbons was a bit strange, but as he said himself, he gets motivation from trying new things. Black Ribbons certainly was a new thing and a risk. Can’t fault him for trying to do something completely different.
          He uses technology to promote music very well. From his living album concepts to his XXX movement etc…

          I just don’t see why you can’t “trust” him besides the idea that Hank III doesn’t like him and called him a spoiled rich kid, and ripped him for making a country album. Given Hank III’s lack of anything lately, why should those words mean anything, when Shooter addressed the “fued” head on and said he has no problems with Hank and doesn’t get why there is.

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          • (a) I don’t give a shit about III’s opinion.
            (b) As I’ve made it clear, I don’t trust Shooter’s motives…Sometimes it seems like he chasing money harder than anything else.

            That said, I don’t know these guys from Larry.

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          • How is he chasing money? He has put out albums that he wanted to do, some good- some not so good. Not exactly raking in the cash.
            Not like he is clean cut and singing pop country raking in the money.

            His XM show isn’t exactly a bank vault for him either.

            I think in both cases of Hank III and Shooter we want them to be like their blood lines so much, that we forget they are their own person. Hank III might get closer to Sr. than Shooter gets to Waylon, but they both respect the music. I don’t think we should assume anything else.

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          • As for chasing money, I know that you aren’t a big fan of “Black Ribbons,” but the point remains that Shooter believed in the album so much that he left his (major) label, fired his manager, and released it on a very small indie label that he has since said didn’t even have enough money to promote it. Basically, he could have been a big star in Nashville by working as a pop singer and riding on his family name. Instead he threw it away to follow his heart.

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          • Are we talking about Shooter here, or Hank III?

            I know the answer. My point is this is all stemming from the same energy, philosophies, and motivations. And it is a given that there’s always at least some selfish motives. And in some ways there must be. But it is all universal. Shooter is fighting for the music, and Autopsy is fighting for purity in that pursuit. But everyone’s ultimate goal is the same.

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        • Hitching up to things to get attention….
          If you mean by releasing albums that he knows will not get radio attention, but they are the exactly the way he wants them to sound. Then yes I would have to agree.
          Wait that makes no sense whatsever. I’m not sure that you know what youre talking about when it comes to Shooter, his music or intentions. He never sold out his sound at the expense of not selling out arenas.

          As a Shooter and a Hank III fan, I can Honestly say that liking on does not mean blindly hating the other. Not about sides, it is about sounds.

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      • I think he was saying he would rather have Shooter spearheading this movement, than someone from the pop country scene.

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      • AHHHHH! No! Total misunderstanding, I was saying I am GLAD Shooter is spearheading it! What that should have read was “Hank III vacated his position, he left an an opening. Shooter stepped in. However, I would much prefer him (SHOOTER) to be spearheading a movement such as XXX than some random from the mainstream pop country scene that thinks they have outlaw cred.

        To reiterate I was saying I am HAPPY Shooter stepped up to the mantle.

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        • Sorry, I’m a complete idiot. Disregard all my statements in this branch.

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          • Nope, I take full responsibility for that one :) Great article anyway.

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  • Outstanding article. It just goes to show you, sometimes the hero everyone is hoping for tends to fizzle out. This happens time and time again. Perhaps Hank III didn’t realize how much power and responsibility he had when he started his underground Country movement, but if he doesn’t come back to terms with the throne he built, and soon, he likely will never see the view from atop the throne. I just hope his sudden silence is for something great…something that will grab the attention of audiences everywhere, just like Straight to Hell.

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    • I think a lot of people at this point want Hank III to fail, even people who were fans of him in the past. I don’t understand this. I like music and I like Hank III’s music, and so I want to hear more of it, and I want it to be good, if not better than anything I’ve heard from him before.

      Hank III has to do what he feels best in his heart, and do what HE wants to do, NOT what other people want from him or expect from him. This is the way he will make the best music, because there will be heart in it, regardless of the genre.

      Hank III was very wise in seeing this HUGE anger and backlash against the mainstream, and tapping in to that with his music. But then it became more than music, it became a message too, that we all bought into, that now lives beyond Hank III or any of his music.

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      • I definitely am not hoping he fails. There is nothing I would like to see more than Hank III take over the country throne. However, I also want him to do what makes HIM happy, whether it be punk, country, hellbilly, metal, etc.

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  • I mean no disrespect to Hank III. He’s one of my favorite artists and I’ll always love the work he’s done so far. With that said, he’s beginning to remind me of his father (another of my favorite artists), who released some of the greatest country albums of the ’70s and ’80s, but eventually ran the same themes into the ground and made something fresh and original into something stale.

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    • III is a complete caricature at this point…

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      • I disagree.

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        • I agree that many people feel the same way that Autopsy does, and should take this perspective and understand that’s its like the tip of an iceberg that is a growing sentiment about Hank III.

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          • Can people accept that perhaps Hank III’s true interest, musical love, is not with just one type of music, or maybe his love for country music is a bit smaller than we think?

            I mean, he is the grandson, son of legends. They dressed him up early to mimic Sr. Perhaps, he loves the family tradition, loves good country music, but you know…he seems to be pretty heavy into the metal scene, and focuses on that much more than country. He has the talent for country at the drop of a hat, but metal is his passion I think. Which isn’t surprising given all he ever has heard from the country side is “be like your grandad.” or “be like your dad.” or “carry the tourch.”

            And to some, please stop with the boo hoo about his record deal with Curb. Lots of artists get shitty record deals. Get over it.

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    • Without a full line up, people that should be helpin’ him makein’ it seem like they’re jes goin’ through the motions, an Curb owned any of the songs he wrote under contract…give me a break. He hasn’t done things his way fully. I’m waitin’ fer another country album ‘fore I say anythin’ more.

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    • I’ve said it before a dozen times, and I’ll say it again: I’ll give Hank III a pass on the idea that he was putting out music to fulfill the Curb contract and purposefully did not give them his best stuff or put out the best effort. Though an extension of that theory has also been that he’s been holding material back, which I feel less confident in now.

      And I think his last albums did have their moments. I will not gauge where Hank III is until I hear his next country project, but it might be a while before we get to hear it.

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      • I agree with you so far Triggerman. I don’t know what lineup he’ll need ta put out another country album or when he’ll even have time away from his other projects. But I really need ta hear his new stuff ‘fore I say anythin’ more. By the way…his cover of Johnny Paycheck’s The Only Hell My Momma Ever Raised was gonna be on his 4th album. Hank III said Curb held it back fer a greatest hits album. So who knows what all Curb had held back.

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      • I know I say this everytime III’s last couple albums are mentioned but… I love them both. I think that STH was so great because Curb wouldn’t release his shit for so long. Kinda like Appetite For Destruction by GnR. After years and years they finally had a release and it was a complete masterpiece.

        Seemed liked Rebel Within continually gets slagged for retreading themes and while that may be fair to some degree, I hear a lot of questioning and turning away from the hard livin’ lifestyle. And as has been said there is no doubt that this latest release would have been a good deal different had his contract not been up. I remember reading an interview from the STH era where III said that he should have already released 2-3 rock albums and 5 country albums @ that point had his label not interfered. Chances are he hadn’t written much for a long time. But RW is still a damn fine album with some standout tracks that will surely make their way into his live set for years to come… And that to me is what he is all about. His live show sets him apart from anything that I have ever seen. Granted I don’t see much country cuz few acts realize how great Spokane’s Knitting Factory is but I’d take seeing Hank III over Slayer, Machinehead, BLS, nearly any great live metal band you can think of.

        As for him not supporting the underground movement as much as some might like, I just hope he starts bringing opening acts out again cuz many of my faves were first introduced to me @ his shows. And I give props to Shooter for his XXX movement. I think the criticism of the name is absurd. I have seen many old moonshine bottles with XXX on them. Quit yer bitchin’. After years of playing mostly garbage on his show Shooter has finally began to play some good shit and he deserves to be commended. He deserves to be commended far more than III deserves ridicule. Shelton spent 14 years with his metal side mostly bottled up and it shouldn’t come as a surprise that he is taking advantage of his new found freedom. I have a feeling that good music will be coming from both men in the near future. Shooter’s country side will almost certainly improve now that he is discovering more and more underground acts.

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  • Trigger, my man! As you remember, we met right when you started “Free Hank III” and I started working with him. You have made a true voice not only for the lonely “Reinstate Hank” movement, but our genre altogether. This article rings true in so many ways, I really hated not moving forward with the Reinstate project. We all had put so much love and effort into it. Now, we all know how easy it is to let something go instead of staying with it. You gotta show love in the bad times too, not fold like a cheap card table. If our good friend Shooter, who really has taken the high road with so much of this, wants to start a movement, I say here here and let’s really get behind it. It seems he sure has. I came from a world of the most obsene pop music ever, heard “Straight to Hell” and it changed my life. I am now in a real family of music lovers. My AssJack family member Gary “BEV” Lindsey and my newest family member, Jayke Orvis, have brought me so much happiness with thier music. I just want the whole world to hear!!! And you Trigger, you are the glue that keeps our thoughts togther, active and gives us a home to express them. Thank you, SCM!

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    • Thanks Andra, I was worried (and am still worried) that some will take my comments as some version of Hank III bashing, when the opposite is the point, so knowing one BIG fan gets what I’m saying, is big.

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      • Trigger: Never! I never take your commentary/reviews of Hank III or Justin Townes Earle as ‘bashing’. Never ever ever. I doubt any of your long time readers would think such a thing either. From just reading everything you have written on both artists I feel like I absolutely know you have their backs. Only you could come up with the term ‘Hank Pants’ and saying “Justin Townes Earle might be the best thing going on in American music right now” a few mere weeks ago, I wonder how anyone could think that?

        If anybody doubts you are anything but a genuine fan of Hank III and JTE I want to know what they are reading that I haven’t?

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  • I think what we saw with the rise of Hank III was a new trail blazed for a movement that was utterly drenched in obscurity, if not non-existent, before he came around. It was a convergence of several factors – his talent, his reach to factions of different music scenes, his relentless work ethic, the battle for the Opry to properly honor his grandfather, his own promotion of underground acts and his battle against Curb and how Nashville institutions have turned country music into a sick joke.

    That sort of thing can’t last forever. While it does seem odd to me that people were crowing about how all he sings about is getting fucked up not two years after many of them started paying attention because of an album all about getting fucked up, society moves at a pretty hyperkinetic pace these days. And the movement that he helped bring to attention has grown legs of its own. An infrastructure is emerging for the underground scene and there are quality artists all over the place. I don’t know how the local scenes are everywhere but this year around here the outlaw/underground country scene (and its associated offshoots) are getting red hot.

    I don’t know what is going to become of Hank III, though I expect he’ll wind up doing fine. He probably won’t be the leader of the movement as he once was, but in some respects it’s because he accomplished the mission (in terms of promoting the scene, anyway.) The push that happened comes along once every so often, if that, and for the most part it met its natural conclusion.

    At this point there is plenty of room for people to further promote the music, and that’s exactly what Shooter’s doing. I can’t say he’s replaced Hank III as everything that happened with III is likely irreplaceable. Shooter has made a conscious effort to give airtime and buzz to acts, and I see nothing at all wrong with that. His involvement obviously unsettles some people and it will have some negative impact on XXX but I don’t suppose that can be helped.

    Shooter won’t become the new Hank III to the movement because it can’t happen, at least not intentionally (nor do I believe he’s trying to be that). If someone else is going to come along and provide another meteoric rise to the exposure of the scene, it’s going to be with a few stellar albums and a combination of other intangible factors, and I highly doubt any of us will be able to guess who until it’s already started happening.

    I don’t know what Shooter’s unsaid motivations for XXX might be, obviously a lot of people think he’s doing it as a means to generate exposure for himself. I doubt that, I’m willing to accept what he says at face value that this is about promoting the music in general. Even if he is trying to angle for a push for his own stuff, it’s not really going to work and the worst case scenario is that he put in some effort giving a host of other acts more exposure, so either way it works out. At best he’s genuinely interested in giving the music as a whole more exposure, which I personally believe, and it’s going to lead to the music being in the ears of people who hadn’t previously heard it and will become fans. It’ll take time to gauge how effective XXX will pan out to be but in the end anything it contributes is going to help.

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  • Not one man can save a damn thing. Each man can contribute and that’s about it. We are many.

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    • I meant that in a positive way. Sounded confrontational. We are too many to be shoved into one box and labeled for the shelves. I think not only is there room for all of us to be leaders in our groups but it is necessary. It is necessary for us not to stand in line. As soon as any group get’s to big it gets washed away. So cheers to all the tribes pushing forward!

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      • I totally understand what you’re saying Jason and I’m glad you said it.

        I do think this perspective is very important. Leaders tend to be letdowns, and can sometimes have hidden agendas. But the impact that one man, Hank III, had on underground country is an example of what can happen when a person is bold enough to take the lead and get stuff done. Recording Straight to Hell in his home, fighting for creative freedom from Curb, starting Reinstate Hank, being outspoken about the Nashville filth are things that united people and inspired new music.

        I do believe that there COULD be one person that with the right umpf and good timing, could bust into the mainstream and really shine a huge spotlight in what is going on in music in our culture these days. Someone like Willie. He’s gonna be on the next Snoop Dogg album. Why? Because everybody loves Willie, even people that hate country music, or hate Texas.

        There seems to be something in the mythos of country music that lends to the idea of a savior. I’ve seen Merle Haggard talk about this, someone “waiting in the corning” as he puts it. That’s where Hank Williams came from. That’s where Willie and Waylon came from. I don’t think that Shooter will be this, but he could be the Kristofferson or the Tompall or Bobby Bare that LED to the explosion of the Outlaws. So could Hank III. I do think at one point III could have been this, if he had kept pushing an pushing, and stayed focused. And he still could be, who knows.

        I know this is a bunch of country music geek talk, but I truly do believe in it. I think that it could be one person, or a small group of people, that could make all this talk and all this struggle mute by having universally-recognized appeal.

        And I think that person could be . . .

        :)

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        • Leroy Virgil

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        • Fuckin’ Bob Wayne!

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        • Both good guesses, but keep em coming!

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        • In all seriousness, there’s only one person who springs to mind.
          The Train.

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        • What about a guy that skipped the underground scene and went straight into the belly of the beast, Nashville; was a songwriter, got a record deal that but didn’t fit the pop-country machine, so he cut a record on his own and now he is doing his music, his way… in Nashville.

          That might be someone to rally behind.

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          • yeah. Jamie Johnson.
            also good options: Whitey Morgan or Lucero (though I think Lucero is a little to close to rock for the country music proper crowd)

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          • Your damn right Jamey Johnson.

            He played a show in Minneapolis on 2/27 after getting in town from Chicago the night before. Show was excellent. But what does he do to get ready for his show? Well, he nearly arrived late to the gig since he went across town to a casino that was about 30min. out of Minneapolis to stop in and watch Merle and Kristofferson playing together there. Not sure any other “mainstream” artist would do that.

            Jamey also did a label luncheon 3/2/11 for UMG Nashville. He did a short version of Merle’s “You Take Me for Granted” and I don’t think the sentiment was lost on the executives.

            He is fighting from within, and that is where it needs to be done as well. I think he can open doors and with artists named above getting in those doors, the idea of “XXX”, we have a better chance than ever.

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  • @TRIGGERMAN!

    I know this is off topic, but I was curious what your opinion on Shooter’s The Living Album is

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    • Aside from knowing that it is some sort of USB device that is updated with live shows and other stuff from Black Ribbons, I’m really not knowledgeable enough about it to comment on it.

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    • I am not a huge live album fan, but I think this living album idea is a pretty innovative.

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      • I have the living album. Its a great idea and i hope other artist can have something like this. Great concept. A company called aderra went to some shows, recorded them, and is slowly releaseing them for download to the card. If you are into live music boots this is great. They even recorded the Nashville show i was at with 5 hd cams, should be a great experience reliving that show when released.

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  • XXX is already dividing the underground scene.

    a good radio show is great and i don’t care about who shooter jennings is or what he does. when he’s playing good music on the radio, that’s awesome! but fuck a “mono genre” [ yes, triggerman, i used that word ; ) ] for everbody who is cool, no matter what kind of music they’re playing.
    take look at the XXX website see what bands should get the XXX brand. pantera and dolly parton in one genre is the best example. tell that to my grandma… or tell it to pantera or dolly parton… same with rachel brooke and joe buck.

    i would like see interviews here of some bands about that topic. i already talked to some that toured here about it, but i don’t want to quote anything. it should come from their mouth.

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    • I totally agree, the bands and artists should be the ones voicing their opinions, and my last article had Rachel Brooke talking about it:

      http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/interview-rachel-brooke-about-down-in-the-barnyard

      Jashie P: You were on the front page of givememyxxx.com and Shooter (Jennings) told me he’s been in touch with you. What do you think about what he’s trying to do with the whole XXX thing?

      Rachel Brooke: To be honest, I think it’s really cool. I know there’s been some people who don’t think it’s cool, but I don’t see why. I really feel that he loves the bands that are coming out, and what he’s doing is great. I don’t really see the big deal people are making about it. To me it’s like cool, why can’t he try to get something going? I don’t look at it as a side, I look at it as another step. I noticed some negativity, and I don’t know, I don’t look at it like that. For me, I do my music because I want to. I don’t look at it from any other way except for what I want to do, and I think it’s cool that he’s embracing a lot of these bands. I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. I think it’s a great thing.

      I also am planning to interview Scott Biram about it in less than two weeks, and most if not everyone I interview at SXSW in three weeks I will ask about it. I also talked to Keith at Hillgrass Bluebilly about it, expressly to get a dissenting viewpoint:

      http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/interview-keith-of-hillgrass-bluebilly-records

      Also talked to Darren at Farmageddon about it, but he was not informed much about it at the time. He has since come out supporting it:

      http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/interview-w-darren-of-farmageddon-records

      It has been my approach since my first article to try to inform everyone about XXX so that they can create their own opinions, and keep my personal opinions about it aside, which really are about half on one side and half on the other anyway. As we move forward, I see it as an imperative to talk to the artists/label owners about it, since really they are the ones who should be making the big decisions.

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      • As a note, Shooter, from the shows I have heard in the last few weeks, makes it a point to clarify if an artist has not signed on to the XXX petition when he plays them on his XM show. Not in a bad way, but he is not making the decision for them to be part of XXX. Those that have signed it, I can only assume they know what they are getting into.

        Example, if I recall, he played Justin Townes Earle, but did say that he hasn’t gotten a chance to talk with Justin, but will and hopes Justin will sign and support it. That doesn’t stop him from playing Justin, but people shouldn’t think that Shooter is just saying or portraying all these bands have signed on.

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    • You hit the nail on the head, Heinrich. Amen brother!

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    • AMEN !!!

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      • Heinrich

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        • i’m a little hellbilly…

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    • And as far as the Dolly Parton can’t play with Pantera, this was a point I made in my first article about XXX.

      http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/this-new-shooter-jennings-xxx-genre

      “And then there’s these lists of bands that have been populated for XXX. So you’re telling me Arson Anthem and the Avett Brothers are in the same genre?”

      But to play devil’s advocate, saying Joe Buck can’t play with Rachel Brooke is just not true. Rachel Brooke and Joe Buck actually have shared the stage together:

      http://bucketcity.ning.com/events/joe-buck-yourself-lonesome

      Rachel has toured with members of The Goddamn Gallows in her band, with Jayke Orvis, and The Goddman Gallows and Joe Buck have toured together numerous times. They also all appeared on the Outlaw Radio compilation that I think was very well received, and proved that this could be a big umbrella movement.

      I’m not trying to discount what your saying, I have been VERY critical of many aspects of XXX, including the confusing lists of artists, but lets tread carefully saying that one artist can’t play with another. I am proud of the diversity that is covered on this website, and how it meshes all together with the universality of soul and realness.

      XXX will only divide the underground scene if we let it.

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      • Rebel Meets Rebel is living proof of that.

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        • Same as White Stripes (Jack White) and Loretta Lynn or others he’s helped out.

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      • sorry triggerman, i must have missed that rachel brooke interview, but i read the hillgrass bluebilly and farmageddon interviews.

        i did not say that rachel brooke don’t get along with the goddamn gallows or something or that she can’t share the stage with joe buck together. (pantera and dolly parton also would have been awesome! i would have loved to see that show *lol*). for me it’s all about the music itself, not the artist. i don’t like to unite all the great diversity of styles in one word. my opinion is you can call the fans of all this different music something, but not the music itself. and for me there always was the word “hellbilly” describing the fans pretty good.

        and someone wrote about those internet filters blocking “XXX” earlier. it’s true that a lot of sites are blocked and the rest you’ll find is porn. it’s like calling your band “wallmart” and hoping someone finds you on google…

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        • I really do think this is a good point Heinrich, and I’m glad you brought it up. I made a very similar observation when XXX was first presented to me, and it is something I think XXX needs to figure out how to resolve.

          The “Hellbilly” name has been forwarded a few times as “the name” for this music, or this genre. First people need to understand that there’s NO name everyone is going to agree on, because everybody’s music tastes vary. But if Hellbilly was going to catch on, it would have caught on in 2005. It is good to describing SOME music, but it is Hank III’s term. It would work for let’s say .357 String Band, The Goddamn Gallows, Hellbound Glory, but the problem there is that Hank III has no idea these bands exist. This is the problem. He’s busy listening to Phil Anselmo, which is totally his right. He can listen to and be inspired by whatever he wants, but as a country fan, I have to face the cold reality that Hank III is not going to be the one to unite this music. THAT was the theme of this article. And I truly don’t even mean that as a criticism. If he doesn’t want to be a leader, then I don’t want him to be, because then his heart wouldn’t be in it.

          I’m not saying that things should be one way or another. I am saying I’m confused, and looking for answers.

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          • one more i thing i didn’t mention yet, is that i don’t need a leader for anything. i don’t need no shooter and no hank III to lead me somewhere. i get inspired by some people, but someone who wants to speak for a whole scene? inventing names to unite everything under his flag? writing down chosen bands on his website? what’s next? perhaps opening the first “XXX” webshop? and making a big brand out of that?

            another thing is that petition thing for CMT:
            do you really want to get your favorite songs played and censored by CMT? do you want your favorite artists to write songs that would fit on CMT without being censored? without cursing and politically correct? stuff like that means the death of the underground, because it’s getting overground.

            sure, every artist can choose where to go with the own music and i hope everbody chooses wisely and not just commercially. the more attention, the more radio play and the more money will get in this game, this underground movement will loose it’s soul. airplay on CMT would mean to fed pop country guys with our music too. that’s good to make money, but not good for a special group of real music fans. i don’t think a keith urban fan, that would like a more radio friendly 357 string band song like “the days engrave” or something (just an example), would feel related with us or let guys like us crash on his couch or something. i’m going too far here, but that’s the stuff, that means the end of an underground community for me.
            “from fans for fans” is heading towards the big road now.

            i won’t fight against that all the time now. but i also won’t support a big flag with a führer in front. not in life and not in music.

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  • Until I was pointed towards the Hank III boards, I had no idea there was a fued—however real or unreal it is.

    I just never paid attention. I actually had opened for both artists and had no clue. But, I do my best to stay out of others confrontations.

    It doesn’t do much good for anyone. I hope its over.

    Regardless, it has no effect on how I feel about either one. I know lots of artists that have beefs with each other–and I dig them just the same as I did before I knew that.

    Onwards and upwards.

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  • well.. hank III is where my loyalty rests and will stay..i am one of those that loves his country and likes all his other rock projects….shelton is doing his thing..yes im a little disappointed we havnt gotten anything from him yet..but he’s doing his thing and thats what i’ve always respected about him most ..he does what he wants..he’s his own man..thats why hes by far the best musician out there in my mind.III will come out with his rock stuff and i’ll love it..then in the future he will put out another country album and knock all our fuckin socks off again

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    • I think you’re and I sure hope so. We all do!

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      • You’re right!!!

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    • Country runs through Shelton’s veins like the wind whips through trees.

      He “takes me back, to another time”

      And then he rocks heavy.

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  • First and foremost I think that this scene has a potential to grow and evolve in many directions, and is already in another phase of growing and evolving. It’s unfortunate that the growing pains sometimes hold it back. It’s at a fragile state right now, and any dissension only hurts it’s growth. I agree 100% that Hank III opened a lot of doors for people and made a huge statement in Roots Music, he made it cool! But I think we need to give credit to music evolution first, Wayne Hancock was in my mind the man who made all of this possible. Wayne was an inspiration to Hank III early on, Hank III would be the first to tell you that. If there was no Wayne Hancock none of this would be around. Back to the dissension, I think that there is too much dirty laundry aired online these days. The beef between Shooter & Hank should have never been in front of the general public. I mean let’s face it, a lot of die hard Hank III fans probably won’t buy a Shooter album, they are going to pick a side. That’s not what we need, we need more unity, not separation points. In order for the scene to command respect and grow, it’s really important that we not get side-tracked in negative ways and lose focus on what really matters.. And that’s the music. Farmageddon Records is very supportive of what Shooter Jennings is trying to do with the XXX Movement, it would be nice to have an umbrella for all of the hybrid music styles to all come together under. I think any form of unity is better than what we have right now, which is little to nothing in the respects of an organized movement. It would be great for the scene to reach a much larger audience, when we are more of public voice we will be taken much more seriously. In turn, that growth spurt might have a lot more impact on Pop Music and future generations of music lovers that wouldn’t realize that they have other options when choosing what they would like to listen to.. outside of the obvious sources in mainstream media. Let me put it you like this, can you imagine how cool it would be if artists like Rachel Brooke & Jayke Orvis were more of a household name, like kids buying there music and such. That might help, even if only in a small way, re-shape music history into something much more real and quality. Pop Music in general these days, no matter what genre, basically sucks! The real music, the real talent is usually in the underground. We all know that when it gets to a certain point some fucker in a necktie is going to make a decision that it’s cool and sellable, and probably try to have it imitated under a corporate label. Either way, I am only making a point that if in the longrun we would like this to grow and be real, and have a enough power to bring back real music to the masses then we need to all work together, granted not everyone is going to get along.. but let’s really focus on more unity in the scene. Honestly, if Hank III & Shooter Jennings worked together in representing the scene it would be fucking incredible and it would much stronger than it is now! Farmageddon Records will do it’s part for sure, and in turn try really fucking hard to bring a lot of attention to this great revival of wonderful music and show the world that REAL MUSIC AIN”T DEAD.

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    • Well said Darren.

      One point you brought up- “I think that there is too much dirty laundry aired online these days. The beef between Shooter & Hank should have never been in front of the general public. ”

      I don’t know that anything got aired. I don’t know that there was anything to air.
      As we know, not only should some stuff stay offline, but a lot of stuff online is not accurate. Shooter addressed the idea of a fued. Seemed he was surprised that there maybe one.

      It is easy to say a guy is doing it for the wrong reasons or not get behine an idea if you simply don’t like the guy, but it is that dislike formed from some “idea” that is from mis-information? I haven’t read one thing on here or anywhere where somebody has cold hard facts that Shooter is in this for anything but to promote the music he loves.

      All the same, Hank III has not done anything than promote the music he loves too, just differently, but it seems III’s heart is with a much harder metal edged music and not always country. He is great when he does country, but.

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      • I’ve probably got a little culpability in airing that dirty laundry, but it was never my intention to fuel flames, but explain what was going on for people who really had no idea why there was tension between Hank III and Shooter, but would read glimpses of it in other press stories. Like Hank III said recently, that is all in the past, and according to Shooter he never had a problem with III, so as far as I’m concerned that is all water under the bridge.

        I knew when I wrote this article some would read the title and scan the article briefly and decide somehow that this is trying to re-ignite the feud, and that’s fine, there’s misunderstanding in a lot of my articles and I’ll deal with it accordingly.

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        • Hey Triggerman, I know you are trying to shed light on things. I;m not saying that you were trying to start, fuel or keep any bs going on. You guys do a pretty good job taking care of fuckin’ business. SCM is a good thing I think.

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  • PS- I really don’t think that Shooter is trying to take on a crown of any kind. This whole thing doesn’t need to be spearheaded by one person in general. This is not a government or a dictatorship, it’s Grass Roots Music Scene. I think we need to give credit to Shooter for trying to do something, he has no ill intentions here. Fuck it, if he’s stepping up to the plate and giving this a push we should be grateful. I don’t exactly like the name XXX either, I think we could come up with a better name. But, I do think it’s high time we got a little more organized with things.

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    • well said. I think we’re on the same page!

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  • after reading most of the above, i feel we’re being divided and that’s not what we need right now… but “not everybody likes us”

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    • I don’t think having different opinion is a sign of us being divided. There is no way 100′s of people with an underground mentality will always agree on subjects. I think it gives us all something to talk about and discuss like adults.

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    • No matter what, history will repeat itself. Some will think it’s a good thing and some won’t. I’m a fan of Hank III’s Music and the fact that he’s gonna stand for what he believe’s in no matter who follows him. Strong people attract other strong people, and probably a lot of everything else. I think it’s only fair to give someone a chance before we condemn what they are doing (Shooter). This scene seems to be pretty damn good at policing itself. I have faith in Shooter on this. I honestly don’t think he’s doing much more that looking our for a generation of artists that took up inspiration from his dad. We all need to respect him for saying “Hey, this is a damn good thing, I wanna help”

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      • I have yet to sign my John Hancock to XXX, nor have I said that I never will. But whether I do or don’t, you can be damn sure I will have one eye on EVERYONE, as I always do, to make sure artists are not being taken advantage of. And if they are, I would be the first to cry foul, regardless of my personal music taste or some sort sense of loyalty. It’s all about the music.

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  • I’m going to start w/something written above:
    “But marching orders never came. Ideas floated out there to help unite the music were never followed through with. Reinstate Hank became headless. And now loyalty has withered, interest has waned, and disillusion and desertion from the Hank III camp is common.”

    Marching orders: Are we talking about an artist/musician or a General? I am a FAN of Hank III & a VOLUNTEER for Reinstate Hank.

    Ideas floated, never followed thru on: Whose ideas? Who dropped the ball and what did they not follow thru on?

    Reinstate Hank being headless: 48,293 signatures on the online petition only. There are many VOLUNTEERS actively spreading the word and collecting signatures on hard copy. The Reinstate Hank campaign is not “headless”, rather it is a force of it’s own, driven by the desire to support and a show of respect for Hank Sr. And yes, thanks to Hank III for starting it.

    “loyalty has withered, interest has waned, and disillusion and desertion from the Hank III camp is common.”

    LMFAO….if they truly were “loyal” it wouldn’t have withered. Loyal people are few and far between. There are two sides to every story.

    as far as interest waned….my bet is these same persons will buy the next album out or go to a show. If not, they truly weren’t “interested” anyways.

    Desertion in the Hank III camp? Is it desertion or did asses get fired, contracts ended, projects come to a halt, band members change? These are all business decisions…..exactly who “deserted” in the Hank III camp? I”m not seeing any desertion from fans I’ve had contact with on myspace, facebook or youtube. In fact most of the ‘friends’ I have are Hank III music related. I don’t do the other drama.
    Who is “disillusioned”?? Was someone expecting something they didn’t get? Were promises made and not kept? Please let us know.
    People are saying things on here about “where is he” “what is he doing” bla bla bla. The man just got out of 14 years of stress and fighting w/an employer, he’s already been on a short tour with Arson Anthem, he’s working on the Attention Deficit project…..wtf ???

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    • As for Shooter….I don’t care for his music personally.
      “XXX” is a marketing ploy for attention. As mentioned on the site by a commenter, it’s not anything to GOOGLE at work.

      Shooter also has the right to work, including the “market” for underground music on XM. There is a market for it and that is US. Shooter can break into territory that no others have ventured into….and he may make $$$. That’s fine too, but HE needs the underground bands more than they need him.

      The “thing” between III & Shooter is their business, but for Shooter to want III to join forces w/him re: the music is for Shooter’s benefit….in my opinion.

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      • I don’t think there is a “thing” between Shooter and III any more.

        http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/big-news-from-hank-iii-interviews

        “Jashie P: You’ve had your past with Shooter Jennings. Have you had a chance to listen to his new album by chance?

        Hank III: Naw man, I haven’t kept up with any of that really. My 8-10 year run of talking shit I’m sure is close to being over. He’s not as green as he was. It’s just one of those things man. “

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    • With all do respect cathy (and i truly mean that), I think that you have missed the point of the article and the conversation. It is not really about Hank III or Shooter. It is about who will promote the music that we love, but no one else knows about. Hank III deserves a ton of credit for making real music. Shooter also deserves the same. But the article isnt about what either have done in music. It is about bringer other acts along.

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      • All due respect to you but I know what I read and I quoted what I take exception to.

        I do get the point….note my comment, “HE needs the underground bands more than they need him.” To be successful he will need these artists. When I mentioned the is a “market” for the music I said “US”….that means me too. I don’t have XM in my vehicle so I never use radio, but if I had it and knew these bands were on it you can bet I’d be listening. I understand that.

        We all promote the music….Shooter has the ability to do it on a larger scale.

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        • “We all promote the music….Shooter has the ability to do it on a larger scale.”

          And we both agree that that is a good thing.

          As for Shooter needing the other bands more than they need him, I disagree..
          He could be like everyone else and only promote himself (XXX will never make him a dime, whereas his music will make Him money).

          Shooter is coming from a good place here and it’d be great to see it go somewhere and bring some very talented artist along.

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    • I don’t think you need to take any of my comments as insults or assaults on Hank III.

      When I was talking about loyalty and interest and desertion, I was not talking about band members or anybody else directly working with Hank III, I was specifically talking about fans. But since you bring that up, there’s been a lot of turmoil there too.

      I understand that in your group of friends and contacts, this might be hard to see or realize. But my job (though I am a volunteer myself) is to keep my eye on the national and international picture, to try to zoom out from my own personal experiences. And when you do that, the erosion of loyalty in the Hank III camp is absolutely positively undeniable. And in many cases, it’s not that people are just losing interest and moving on, they’re turning against Hank III and actively working against him. He has become massively polarizing. You make some good points in that if those people would abandon Hank III after he’s been fighting with a malevolent record label, then should he worry about them anyway? But as a Hank III fan, as a Hank III loyalist who has spent hundreds of hours myself fighting for him and Reinstate Hank, I am not going to lie about the current climate surrounding his music, nor am I going to allow people to forget the work he did and how he is responsible for all of this. Without Hank III, XXX would not be possible, whether it takes off or completely flops.

      The “headless” comment about Reinstate Hank pertains to the fact that there’s no documentary, though hundreds of hours of footage has been collected from celebrities and fans. That was something promised and not delivered. No rallies have happened lately. Nobody is calling the shots. Nobody organizing the movement on a national level. I’m not discounting the work you and many others have done, I’m just simply being a realist. I want to rattle the Opry’s walls. But you can’t do that with such a lack of direction.

      If you want to say, “If they don’t like Hank III, fuck them,” I completely understand that sentiment. But to deny that anti-Hank III sentiment is growing is not being honest, in my opinion.

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    • Well said!

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    • NO WERE NOT THE KIND TO TURN OUR BACKS AND RUN CAUSE III SHADES OF BLACK IS WHERE WE COME FROM YOU TELL EM MS CATHY

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  • This article does sound critical about III. He puts on the best live show I have ever seen giving the people their money’s worth. He has been touring with AA. I saw them in Ft. Worth and at the end people did not chant Anselmo, they chant III. I enjoy his rock/metal as much as the country. From my understanding he wanted to make more rock/metal then focus on country because you can grow old with your country, it’s hard to do that in the other scene.

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    • thank you Colt.

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    • Nothing about III’s live show was mentioned in the article.

      And I’ve seen this Arson Anthem tour ballyhooed as an excuse in a few comments. The lack of leadership I’m talking about has been going on for roughly 4 years. The AA tour was a week long. Six dates. Not to say there wasn’t time needed for practicing and all of that, but let’s not overvalue the AA commitment.

      And the crowd damn well better be chanting Hank III instead of Phil. Hank III still has a HUGE fan base, and there is still lots of loyalty in it. Doesn’t mean it’s not shrinking though, and his opposition becoming more vocal.

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      • I mentioned the live show because I enjoyed his music and after seeing him live is when I became a huge fan. The way he conducts himself to the fans and how long he plays made an impact on me.

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  • Could it be a legacy complex? I mean, everyone is who they are and the music will speak for itself and in the end, is Shooter gonna say,

    “I did it for everyone else, not for braggin’ rights.”

    If Hank Williams can’t even be reinstated to the Opry, then there’s a huge problem with unity and musical “loyalty”. I think it’s great Shooter started him a radio show (his Daddy was a DJ) and I think it’s great some of the artists I like are gettin’ airtime, but I will never subscribe to XM (my choice) and I will never listen to XXX.

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    • you will never listen to XXX? Do you like Biram? Whitey Morgan? Hank III? You already listen to XXX. It isn’t just his XM show, that happens to be one outlet.

      Some of you are so blind and tunnel vision on this stuff. Unreal.

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      • some of the “never listen to XXX’ is from hatred for Shooter. Those thoughts are unfounded and are complete bullshit. Shooter never came after Hank III. There Was Never A war. III never came after Shooter other than a few thoughts early on, IT IS OVER NOW.

        Let it go and grow up.

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      • I have no hate for Shooter Jennings. I replied as honestly and candidly as possible. I will never subscribe to XM radio. What don’t you get?

        Now please quit antagonizing me and worrying about me IceCold.

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        • Denise, I know you don’t have, nor will have XM radio, but what is it you don’t get about XXX that it isn’t just an XM hour? If you have any music by any band that has signed on with XXX, on your computer, CD player, iPod… then aren’t you listening to XXX music already?

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          • I gets the feeling you’re trying to sell me on Shooter Jennings among others which you don’t need to. I am already diggin’ all the real music and found it on my own. I said a long time ago I like the concept not the name. I won’t be subscribing to XM and I don’t have to put a Triple X on it cuz Shooter wants me too. Or you, or whoever. I was taught by my parents a long time ago to think for myself. I know good music when I hear it.

            You love Jamey Johnson, XXX, and whatnot. Giddyup, Buckaroo. I don’t want to subscribe to it. Why doesn’t Shooter fight for the real airwaves instead of the elitist XM?
            So’s ev’rybody can enjoy the real music? Just wondering.

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          • Your classic Denise. “elitist XM”, ha.

            You don’t have to label the music you like, the music industry does that for you.

            Also, I have said I am not a huge fan of the name, but I get the concept and support that. I can get over the name to support it and spread the word.
            You appear to have said yourself that you agree with the concept but don’t like the nam. So with that, you can’t say you don’t support XXX. You do, you just don’t realize it, and your “I think for myself” ignorance gets in your way, as it does for others.

            This idea is not that difficult to get behind, people just have to put aside some pointless angst.

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          • I’m sorry I don’t agree with you . I said I DON’T support XXX and I DON’T “just don’t realize it” I Choose not to support it by NOT signing the whatever it is you have to sign to climb on board with Shooter.

            You’re the classic one Ice Cold. I’m listening to the real deal right now, and guess what’s playing? Hank III’s cover of Wayne the Train’s Thunderstorms and Neon Signs . . . hmmmm. NO XXX.

            Thanks and have a nice day.

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          • You don’t get it do you… Wayne is an artist that XXX supports. Actually a few Bloodshot artists are supported by XXX and vice versa.
            Hank III is also supported by XXX.
            So, like I said, you don’t even know what XXX is about or that you already support artists that are part of it. You just don’t like Shooter, and you are one of those “I am my own person and won’t be told what to do.” And you already are told what to do in so many aspects of your life.

            XXX is a good thing. Nice to see you support artists that are part of it.

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          • I get it just fine.

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  • I have to say I’m not the least bit surprised that we haven’t seen any new music from III. I thought he was being very optimistic in the time-frame he laid out on that Outlaw Radio interview, and I wondered why. Things take time, and quality things take more time. I will certainly buy any country music to come from Hank III, and I wouldn’t miss a show if my job depended on it. But he IS absent lately. And frankly many of the smaller bands I’ve discovered in the past couple years (many due to this site), are better than Hank III. I know there’s a small group of extremists who won’t like me saying it, but I stand by it. I feel like Hank III blew the doors off this scene, but now the scene has passed him by.
    Shooter’s music is not my cup of tea, and XXX is a massively stupid name. But by his involvement in the discussion that ensued here and his willingness to be open to suggestions that it’s not just an ego trip. I think it’s great that people are hearing him play Hellbound Glory, Whitey Morgan & the 78s, Rachel Brookes, and Jayke Orvis.

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    • Aran, III is not missing. January 30th – Nashville – Exit/In. He stood right next to me, front row, and surrounded by friends, fans, band member, for almost the whole set when haarp played. Here is a 2 minute piece I recorded of Hank III rocking the fuck out and having a damn good time like the rest of us….I recorded the entire AA show, War Beast, haarp and Voodoo Prophet.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38kxaFGHk20

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      • I didn’t mean that he’s missing, like kidnapped by aliens. There’s just all kinds of exciting things happening in the underground country movement, and Hank III is not involved or around. Don’t get me wrong Cathy, I’m a big fan. But I absolutely see Triggerman’s point.

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        • i think hank has to rearrange a lot of shit these days. no record deal anymore after more then 10 years. things are becoming different now and he has a lot of work to do behind the scenes. i do not think he’s sitting on his ass the whole day watchin’ TV or something. he’ll be back…

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  • When you get right down to it, this music scene is a great thing. Not everyone will agree on things, and that’s a good thing. I could give a damn if I don’t hear another Hank III Album for ten years or one year, the reason I say that.. I think you get the best material out of someone if they put it out there on their own terms. Hank III owes no one shit, if he feels like ducking out to regroup for a bit, so be it. That’s the beauty of this scene, there are no rules and no one needs to stress on obligation. I own Farmageddon Records, and if Jayke Orvis feels like he needs to take 3 years off, because his head isn’t into making a new record, then that’s what he should do. I wouldn’t count Hank out and assume the scene is passing him up, the scene will evolve, he is his own entity and has offered a lot to it already. I honestly get the feeling that he might just be sick of it and need a break. Usually when people are quiet they are keeping their head down and busting ass. I am happy to see this evolve and that the scene is inspiring more folks to pick up banjos & mandolins. The impact that it’s actually making is a slow progression that we aren’t seeing the direct affects from right away. Look at the big picture, it’s here, it’s happening and it not going anywhere.

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    • Very well said Darren.

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      • yep it was well said

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  • im not a huge fan of shooter’s music but it’s cool he’s giving these artist’s some much needed exposer… just because shooter jennings is trying to do this xxx thing doesnt mean the mass’s are just going to stop listening to hip hop and rock , pop country and dive into this style of music…but i think there’s a whole lotta people out there that would love this stuff if only they new these artists were out there..what shooter is doing will make it easier for fan’s like us to get there music , these artists could tour more release more. . and in my mind thats a great thing.. people like rachel brooke , jb beverley & the wayward drifters , joey allcorn , bob wayne and many more they deserve it , they’ve earned it , time will tell where all this goes but im not going to bash it if it’s going to help these artists sell more records..

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  • Interesting article. At the moment, I think Hank is doing what he loves. I honestly think his first love is his stoner rock/metal and then country. I don’t think he is completely absent from country. His last album came out in May…it hasn’t even been a year. Give the guy a break. Granted, perhaps he was shooting for early winter…but maybe he needs a break for his creative juices to flow. And maybe then Hank’s purpose was just to lead us to the promised land…it was up to us to take care of it. Only he knows, but I still love him and respect him. But for this XXX thing, I don’t like the idea. I do a radio show at my college and I say I play country. If I said, “Bringing you the best XXX ever” besides sounding like porn it sounds ridiculous. Call it what it is. Too many people try to classify music by different sub-genres and will try and tell you it’s something it’s not and it is really annoying. Look at the roots of country and look at where country, real country is today. Too many people have forgotten their roots. If we can’t remember our roots, then we can’t classify our music today. Do you think we would be where we are today if wasn’t for The Carter Family? Dock Boggs? Jimmie Rodgers? I can draw a line from Jimmie to Hank Sr. and III. Doesn’t happen with Swift. Why settle for XXX? Why can’t we say “I listen to country” and be proud? Stop looking at the small picture. Let’s go for the whole thing, not just a piece.

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    • The answer to that is obvious: because this encompasses far more than country.

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    • Again, the point of this article was not to bitch about how long it is going to be for another Hank III country album. That is one very minor point. There seems to be this blind, raging reactionism from some people that if you’re not fawning over Hank III and showering him with accolades, then you hate him and are against him. As a Hank III fan, I am concerned about what I see as a loss of relevancy, and this was my way of expressing that. I did it because I care about him, not because I want to bash him for reasons I’m not sure why.

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  • Hey Triggerman interesting viewpoint as always. I think people up in arms about this should understand the concept of striking while the iron is hot.

    Shooter realizes the fanbase and the acts are now in place for a big push and some massive potential. Maybe Hank III doesn’t want to carry the flag for a new genre. He may be more content doing his own thing. I’ve talked to Shooter and interviewed him and he really just seems to want to find a nitch and help artists find a place to go so there albums don’t die upon release date and their initial fanbase. He’s essentially helping artists and his XXX site is getting some good exposure to artists.

    I can’t confirm whether or not Shooter his working on a country album. I can say in the issue with him on the cover he did confirm that he plans to have a new album out this year (comes out next week. Rachel Brooke’s cover is out this week it got delayed a week).

    Also Triggerman I haven’t forgotten about your interview. It’s on the way.

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  • I also want to say to the Shooter haters that most of you have probably not had the chance to talk through e-mail, phone, etc. with Shooter and really have no clue what type of person he actually is.

    Albeit my conversations have been limited. I will say this he seems like a genuine guy. He has repeatedly supported out site and sites who have helped him with XXX. He’s has repeatedly shouted out sites like this (and my site/magazine) on his Follow Friday on twitter on multiple occasions. I never asked for him to support my magazine I just asked him to do an interview. The issue is not even out until next week. So anyone who went to my site or read an issue now wouldn’t find Shooter stuff until next week, but because of the support sites our offering he is supporting us and promoting us.

    There is no evil in that. He is helping people and trying to rally around the acts so we can try and get artists decent livings and proper promotion.

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  • Thanks for this great article man. N

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    • … damn computer… Anyhow, I gotta thank both you and III for all you have done for all of us fans of real country,roots,americana style music. I’m not gonna get into any debates about III , shooter, xxx or anything just here to show some love.

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  • it strikes me as peculiar that the term “outlaw” is being used in connection with the term “being led”.
    also: country, blues and rockabilly experienced a strong renaissance back in the mid 80′s from tom waits to nick cave and in the underground you simply need to look at jeffrey evans, the oblivions, tav falco etc. this is by no means a new trend. these fellers were playing in blood bucket clubs when the two gentleman you refer to were still spoonfed.
    frankly the entire idea of following a leader, or the leader of a scene stands in opposition to the general idea of raw and primal country and blues music.
    if it’s about turning it into a marketable, sanitized product i can see no difference to the markets in l.a. and nashville.
    as to making up childish labels for a style of music that is as diverse as country, bluegrass, blues, gospel etc – music is not nfl fotball.

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    • I do think these are good points. I’m not sure saying that this is some extension of Tom Waits and Nick Cave is entirely accurate. This music grew out of a completely different world, lower Broadway in Nashville, Fat Possum Records, Bloodshot Records, and the Outlaw movement in country.

      I’m not looking for a leader, as much as I’m looking for leadership. Of any capacity, however big or small. Jason at Muddy Roots is showing some. I’d like to think I show a little at times. I think YOU have in ways. But ultimately it MUST come from the artists. I made this point at nausea when I floated my idea for “anti-country”, that it MUST be taken up by the artists to be legitimate.

      And that is what has changed. I stepped away from all the XXX noise because it was pointless until either it withered on the vine, or found some strength. It is starting to find some strength because artists are signing up to it now. It is not going away, at least in the short term. For or against, people need to appreciate that.

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  • I hear you man. The reason I started my little blog was we hadn’t seen a Hank III show in seventeen months and I thought I just might die. Then he announced the tour with Lucky and we were flooded with new greatness.

    Patience is a virtue I cannot wait for. I’ve got Expedia on refresh waiting for an official Layla’s announcement (hopefully this month) and it looks like he’s starting to plan things here and there. I too wish he would be more communicative (i.e. interview with you or Jashie P.) but he’s doings things his way for once and I will have to be content with sitting here smiling sweetly while you bring up points I secretly ponder.

    As for Shooter, I don’t have a bad thing to say about him. It looks like his intentions are genuine and the more people he can expose to the bands we love the better. I too am vehemently against the XXX name but in order for that to change, a better name must be presented. Soon.

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  • Where is this list of “xxx” artists that get referenced located?

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  • yo, thanks again Trig. a good read, even as much so, the comments. XXX has pushed me to action, but thats where its at, action. I agree that he needs these bands signatures more than the bands need to sign up. Thats whats in my gut. I will say it again, Roots Rock, RRR, and better said abbreviations will make a world of difference to me. Probably will not change my actions, but will make a difference for the better, and Id sign up… because its good….

    my communal effort has changed since all of this. I have since deleted other rootsy record labels, owners & affiliates from my social media sites, starting with FB and workin on the others. I feel my communal effort needs to go to community, the folks that work away from music, and come to shows, and buy the music for selfesh reasons because it moves them. THEM.

    The more I grow, the more I seem to see “Muddy Roots” as the best term. There is home, an understanding, at the simple, effective, hardworking Muddy Roots, for everybody. Zines, merch made available, festivals, sitting in the heart of the epicenter for mother fuckings of heart & voice, Nashville.. it works… I can see everybody there (and will, in September). I appreciate that. Other “roots” labels, hellbillys & and the idea of III’s movement (not III), can all have each other, and smile and eat off the XXX plate and jerk each other off. Im not letting my wife or the dirtyfoot family watch me entertain this any longer.

    only the releases will tell, every song on a record will tell. Im not interested in rubbing elbows with every artist, theres room for everybody, but we DONT all have to hold hands, (thats at Muddy Roots)… its not like we hate each other, but it also means that we aint gotta be buddies either. ya know? Our interest is HB artists & getting their music to their fans. XXX is makin this into a big “gang” and will not be surprised if they start flashing signs. Yeeeaaah the Music Mafia has moved to roots, fuckin wonderful. I dont understand why there is a reason to put on the facade that we support everything that everyone else is doing. Point is, we will support an accomplishment, a genuine happenin for the good. Dont be pointless, release good music, anyones only job…ONLY job.

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  • Just like III didn’t want to be his grandfather or father, he clearly doesn’t want to be the “leader” of some resurgent country movement. Not knowing the guy, that just doesn’t really seem to suit his iconoclast personality. Personally, I think it’s cool that he doesn’t really give a shit about any “scene,” whether he started it or not. I mean he is ANTiSEEN; enough said.

    I will never overlook the groundbreaking work of true innovators like BR5-49, Reverend Horton Heat, and Hank III. It is only because of them that we enjoy the bands today that we consider “better” than them. They might not be the best, they might not be the worst, but they were the first. That counts for a lot in my book.

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    • agreed. I was listening to all that before any of this. and everyone of them plays a part in my decision of any of this. thanks for that rerealization, those bands made this a current & obtainable thing for us that is the buying, show goin crowd.

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    • AMEN BIG A…

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  • When Shooter Jennings was born in 1979 I was 21 years old and performing my cowpunk and what is now labeled “Alt-country”, another misleading description, in Chicago bars and getting blacklisted from most of them because I didn’t do Journey and Van Halen covers. Now what I almost single handedly pioneered at least in my neck of the woods is getting a label. Triple X? Give me a fucking break.
    Music is music, whether it’s opera or metal or whatever. Labeling it is the commercial American way. Like saying you are a catholic or a protestant or walmart. Everyone wants to belong. Like I have said before, a real outlaw travels alone and doesn’t join a club. Most people don’t know who the fuck I am, and I ain’t sayin they should. I’m just some guy who’s been hacking out a living in bars for over thirty five years. But it irks me some to see anyone take what I have been doing second nature for most my life and decide what to call it or where to go with it. Nobody owns music. There are seven notes that can be arranged in any number of ways to form an endless array of sounds. It’s art is what it is. No different than a book or a painting. Sometimes you need to step outside to see that what you are doing is simply art. Beethoven and country music aren’t as far removed as appears. They both make use of the same seven notes. Just in different order. It’s all music. I’m not a genre nor do I belong to one. I am an artist. A bar singer. I’m proud that I don’t belong to anything official because I hate and piss on any authority that would corral me into a box.

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    • Pete, sounds like you have some great experience. But I am not sure how XXX is trying to coral anyone or put them in some box? To my knowledge, XXX doesn’t say what you should play or how to play it or what to call it. It is just for bands that aren’t on some huge label to have some clout in a industry dirven by money for the most part. If you have no cares in the world about sharing your music with anyone outside the bar rooms you play, then you got a point, but I wouldn’t mind hearing your music through an idea like XXX.

      And no disrespect, but those that have to announce that they are a lone wolf and piss on authority, do that to be recognized as part of that crowd too.

      It is interesting, so many on this site refuse to be labled, hate labels, but yet try to call themselves a certain something be it, “outlaw” “lone wolf” “underground”.

      The legends/artists we all seem to agree and support, to my knowledge never self proclaimed anything:
      Waylon, Willie, Cash, Merle
      more recent:
      Hancock, Hank III, Jamey Johnson, Lukas Nelson…Shooter Jennings.

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  • Hey Triggerman…don’t know if you remember me, but I am the interviewer/writer at Americana Roots referenced here earlier.
    This is a debate I have went back and forth on…and have reached this conclusion. As for Hank III, his next release will speak volumes. He will no longer have the label to hide behind if it does not do well. I believe he is a very intelligent artist, and realizes this himself. With this said, however, I also believe in his own heart and mind he could care less what the masses think or feel. As long as he has the freedom to release his music without restriction, he will be happy. Question is, where will his fan base fall? I am guessing a majority of his followers will stick regardless of which direction his music goes….however, those who follow him in hopes of some country savior may be disappointed. It is my impression that Hank III never wanted to be a savior of any kind. He only wants the ability to release his own music…not something someone else wants.
    As for the XXX movement and Shooter, I must admit I am not well informed on this whole thing…but my opinion is his intentions are two-fold, in hopes he gains respect along the way as well. Can’t really blame him for that, however.
    Explain this to me…why do we need a movement at all? What we honestly need is to support those artists who are out there playing their own music with passion, regardless of genre. The pure genres are history…and frankly I am glad. Country music stopped being country years ago. The music today is an appealing blend of the past, without any thoughts as to where it fits into a category. Just let it be…and enjoy. Hopefully people such as your readers here…and those over at my site http://www.americanaroots.com…help to spread the word abot those artists who deserve our admiration and respect.
    That is all they want anyway….nothing history changing…just pure music.

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  • XXX has potential to be something good. I understand what Shooter is trying to do, he’s trying to give this recognition. There is nothing wrong with a guy saying “Wow, this is cool, this is real!” and wanting to do his part in making it more known and putting it out in front of a larger audience. Some of these bands and artists have families to feed and this is their career, they aren’t just knocking around these clubs and putting out records as a hobby. In order for them to make a career out of it they need to sell records to a broader audience. So in a sense, bring some unity to it and bring it some attention from outside of the scene. I think to many people get success confused with selling out.. Bunch of fucking proud ass broke people that spend half their life stepping over dollars to pick up pennies. I love this music, I found my inspiration from Allen Lomax, the Library Of Congress Field Recording dude. I’m here to preserve it, help take care of those doing the right thing with it. At this point it is a large enough to grow on its own, it doesn’t need a president or a council. Hank III helped inspire some of it in the beginning, but I think that was also outgrown a few years back. We can’t give him credit for every kid that picks up a banjo anymore. I think we all should just move forward and do our part to preserve this music, and if an opportunity that helps it gain more credibility surfaces than we should not take it as a threat, only a compliment. If Shooter Jennings wants to try to push it and give it recognition, for fucks sake let him. How will it hurt us? He’s not gonna make a bunch of money off of it. It do think we could come up with a better name for the new genre though, XXX is confusing and could be mixed up with the porn thing.

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    • Thanks Darren. I couldn’t have said it better myself. (By the way, I love what your label is doing).

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      • No worries man. I think people need to start working toward the big picture at this point. It’s not gonna get any smaller. Working together as one big group makes it way easier to accomplish what we need to, and that’s getting some respect for these artists who are keeping the more traditional styles of music alive and kicking. That’s really the bottom line, making sure these talented people are in a position to have the impact they have on all of us on a larger group. If the people just knew about artists like Rachel Brooke, James Hunnicutt & Jayke Orvis I think they would be more likely to buy there cd’s instead of some horrible Pop Music Artist that is probably a talentless hack with a pretty face.

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        • I so concur with that! Let’s just make it available and get the word out!

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  • This is gonna be short, but this is how I feel. I don’t trust Shooter. He doesn’t give me the feeling that this is what he loves to do. To me, he sounds like the person in high school that was the most “underground”. The person that always tried to tell you how badass they were. Its exactly the same as trying to be the most popular in the pop country, its for the wrong reasons. Thats the vibes I get from everything I’ve read, heard, and seen from Shooter. He gives me a sour taste in my mouth, the same way Lucky Tubbs does. (Not meaning to open a can of worms).

    As far as III goes, there is no bigger influence on this “scene” besides him. Let me qualify that now. When I first heard Wayne Hancock, it gave me chills. Right then I KNEW that country music wasn’t dead. All my heroes somehow could live on! It gave me such a joy. And thats what he does. However, Hank III has bridged the gap between the old guys and young guys. He’s brought together so many different types of people, bikers, cowboys, punks, skinheads, hippies, metalheads, in the same way that DAC did. Without Hank III, our “scene” would just be old people and a few old school youngsters. THERE WOULDN’T BE A MOVEMENT. Hank III is the reason we are here. All that being said, Hank never asked to be the leader. And he also never asked NOT to be the leader. He leads by example, which is getting out on the road, playing good music, and doing what he wants to do, his way, and throwing up middle fingers to the mainstream music establishment AND—AND—-DONT FORGET—– those who don’t like his music. Every band should do it this way. Thus again, I say, there is no need for the XXX movement. It just leads bands into a position to be controlled or taken advantage of.

    Thanks for keeping this site going brother!

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    • Nuff said.

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  • P.S. For anyone who is interestesd The Real Deal KOOK plays many of these underground artists. I’ve even heard Jayke Orvis played on Big G’s Road show.

    Outlaw Radio Plays some kickass music.

    I discovered great new talent from SCM. Thanks Triggerman for all you do !!!

    And for subscribers of XM: Shooter Jennings has a good radio show from what I hear. Stupid name, but supposedly is trying to bring unknown talent to that little niche of the world.

    The point is: POP country sucks.

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    • To correct Denise, Shooter’s show on XM radio is not called XXX or Triple X or anything. It is called “Electric Rodeo”. XXX is a movement, not a radio show. Shooter’s show gives a platform to present the artists that fall into XXX.

      For Colby Jack, I am a Hank III fan, but Hank III did nothing in my lifetime that drew me to this music. He is just part of the music. He is no bigger or smaller than anyone else, he just has a great bloodline which gives him cred and talent to do country music. When he goes into his metal mode, doesn’t interest me one bit nor do a thing for country music. Might do something for underground music, but nothing for country.

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      • And he also actively promotes other sites such as this one as well as Outlaw Radio, etc. to try to bring a expose ALL facets of the underground country/Southern rock movement to a wider audience. He’s not seeking to control anything, but it’s impossible to win a fight when you aren’t united.

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  • i am a proud Hank III fan, hardliner, extremist and so forth and i recognize certain tendencies i have in my behaviors are often misinterpreted, misjudged, as closeminded and unwilling to compromise. i would disagree of course, seeing those tendencies as only necessary for satisfying my own interests and those who dont see this inside their own mind appear as hypocrites to me. Hank III has been important in my own personal music genre everyday for the past 10 or so years since i came to his music. anybody calling him irrelevant or “a complete caricature” should speak only for theirselves as while some call the waters muddied and the current quickened i see no change in the creek.he’s not my leader, he’s not my buddy or my hero, he’s just one of my favorite singers/musicians ever, likely not the one to take things to the masses but still just right for singin to us here on the outskirts.as for shooter jennings and XXX, only time will tell.

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  • Why aren’t any of the Texas guys on board with this? What about the red dirt people? Reckless Kelly, Cody Canada & the Departed, Randy Rogers Band, etc? Maybe some of the solo guys?
    It seems we have two parallel movements (though a little different) each threatening to overtake Nashville, that would be much better off together? Combining the grittiness of the outlaw movement with the polished sound and semi-massive following of the Texas scene?
    Then again idk if the raging Hank III fans would like that, but it seems they dont like much of anything anyway.

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    • That’s a good point. Shooter has talked specifically about this, how since many of the Red Dirt/Texas bands already have their own radio format, own radio stations, own festivals and support structure, he does not want to try to infiltrate or interfere with what they are doing. So it’s not really a personal think or that he doesn’t like that music. Simply from a standpoint of wanting to support who needs support, but not wanting to step on toes is where that comes from.

      The same could be said about Saving Country Music. Some people get mad that I don’t cover more Red Dirt. They already have plenty of sites and media coverage. I won’t avoid the stuff if it is germane to what I’m talking about, but I’d rather talk about artists that have NO support, because they need it more.

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    • That’s not true Will. If lines are drawn, it’s because most people will think for themselves. If Shooter Jennings is your leader, then follow him. If Shooter doesn’t want to inflitrate the Texas scene, but wants to infiltrate Nashville then he forgets one thing . . . he didn’t come up with this all on his own.

      How many people in Nashville have XM? How many Hank III fans like Shooter and vice versa? Shooter says he wants to bury the hatchett. Who raised it in the first place? I think this is tiresome. Shooter has stated his intentions. Let’s see what he can do.

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      • Denise! You have to be doing this on purpose???? Do you have any clue what your talking about? Seriously!!!! Every post gets worse!

        Lets look at this most recent post:
        “If lines are drawn, it’s because most people will think for themselves.” Who is making decisions for anyone?

        “If Shooter Jennings is your leader, then follow him. If Shooter doesn’t want to inflitrate the Texas scene, but wants to infiltrate Nashville then he forgets one thing . . . he didn’t come up with this all on his own.”
        No he didn’t, but maybe he has sat aside long enough watching others/hoping others could do it, and it hasn’t happened. So he is giving it a shot.

        “How many people in Nashville have XM?” WTF does this have to do with anything!!!!???

        “How many Hank III fans like Shooter and vice versa? Shooter says he wants to bury the hatchett. Who raised it in the first place?”
        I agree with will, lots of Hank III fans, if you critic HankIII, they tell you to fuck off.
        And newsflash, HankIII brought up the fued with Shooter.

        “I think this is tiresome. Shooter has stated his intentions. Let’s see what he can do.”
        Beyond pointless agnst, towards Shooter, there is little reason to not support XXX. The son of the man that took on Nashville might have a little bit of an idea how it could be done.

        Your Sheen like with your complete delusion of your posts.

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        • Sheen like! How cute you are! Do I misunderstand you when you defend Jamey Johnson? Do I misunderstand your undying campaign to get on a XXX platform to save country music which I already think has been underway along time ago . . .
          Doesn’t Shooter really want to promote a different type of genre all together? Something about to rock to be country? And leave Charlie out of it!

          Shooter Jennings will do as he pleases. I’m not on board with him and that’s my right. Remember this though: I am for the music. I think I have a little to say about it.

          Oh. And what having XM has to do with anything is that if you don’t subscribe to XM how are you ever going to know about Electric Rodeo? I know because I come to SCM and it’s been presented. I know POP country sucks. I’m a writer. I can tell the difference between good lyrics and bad lyrics. I have been schooled. Not by XM radio though.

          Hey Ice Cold, why don’t you check out some great radio programming from the heart of Texas?

          93.5 KOOK The Real Deal. They played JTE and Unknown Hinson today! yeehaw!!! They are playing Johnny Cash right now as I type. Played Hank III earlier, Willie . . . Oh my goodness, they have a new format with Rebel Rod that’s gonna be just like Shooter’s programming. Check it out!

          Have a great weekend.

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          • huh? I hope you don’t vote. holy shit.

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        • Alright, I’m getting really tired of this. Denise has been around this site reading and commenting for a long time, and I appreciate her insight and contributions. IceCold, you have also contributed some good insight at times, but right now, this back and forth generic internet comment section flame war bullsh is unhelpful, and embarrassing. I pride myself in the idea that EVERYONE’S opinion is welcome here, and that the best parts of this site happens in the comments section. But this is not contributing anything. Agree to disagree, and move on.

          Please and thank you.

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          • Trigger, I can agree to disagree with anyone, but Denise makes claims and states things are simply not true. It is not about opinion, but it simply is not accurate information she passes off as “facts”, then when she is called out on it, she reverts to the “it is my right/opinion” card.

            You can’t state something is fact, and then be called out as wrong, and then hang it out as opinion.

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  • I think the bottom line here is don’t hang this man before he has a chance to prove himself or disprove himslef. Let’s give him a shot, people are so quick to pass judgement and always gravitate to the negative possibilities. This guy is trying to bring attention to a very underground scene of music. It’s a nig thing to us, but being realistic with ourselves we need to realize that at this point it’s nothing. I think some of the artists would like it to grow, so their career’s can help put food in the fridge. If someone come’s along that tries to help it grow, by all means lets see what this man can do. Ignorance and one sided thinking is a sure fire way to never get anywhere. I’m not going to be an advocate for either Hank III or Shooter Jennings. Both have ability to help this scene grow, Hank on the stage and Shooter on the air. I’m seeing a lot of negativity about Shooter’s efforts.. And that to me is fucking stupid, because he hasn’t even had a chance to get his feet wet with is idea’s yet, he is in the beginning stages of it. You can’t take organization as a threat, he’s not a fucking asshole from a corporation with a neck tie on, don’t forget where he comes from. He is the son of one of the greatest country singers of all time, I think he has an idea or two as to where the next step might need to be for this to get bigger. As I said before, not giving him a chance to prove himself, and condemning him before he even really gets started is just stupid. People waste to much time being consumed in negativity and I almost think they would rather see him fail, just to say I told you so vs him actually doing right by us and helping it flourish. Giving something a backbone doesn’t take anything away from it.

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    • Darren, I’m going to respond to this and hopefully it will be my last on this issue. You said earlier that not all people are going to agree and that is a good thing. I also agree and here’s why: diversity. I like coming to SCM and so far I like the music Triggerman exposes me to. If he puts something out that I don’t like, more than likely I won’t say anything negative. I cannot condone XXX, will not, don’t care what anyone says about it. If he changes it to a better name, then I will promote it. If he gets it out on the mainstream with a more conhesive name, I’ll tell people< "Hey, you know Shooter Jennings? The son of Waylon and Jessi Colter? He is trying to get some good music out in the public's domain." I still won't subscribe to XM.

      I do not promote XXX. I won't promote XXX. If that makes me negative, then so be it. I have supported the music though, and the artists, and that makes me a fan of good music.

      *For IceCold : Yes I vote. How dare you imply I'm not worthy to do what my American right is: think for myself.

      If I got the chance to look Shooter in the eye, I'd tell him I've worked very hard to put those demons to rest. I think he'll know what I mean.

      Darren, you brought up that promoting this movement like a franchise isn't what it needs, that it needs solid direction. I don't consider a poorly thought-out name a solid direction. Shooter and Co. already put divisions to their own movement merely with a ridiculous name. Let me reiterate: There's a local band I like. They use XXX in their logo. I got it right away because their whole concept was promoted as moonshine. It's part of their advertising, but isn't their name. I am not sure if you see the difference, but I do.

      Change the name and keep the concept. That's all I have to say about it and that's as positive as I can be.

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      • I think the idea of one entity running the show is a bad thing, like I said before it takes a lot of people working together to make it happen. I think Shooters idea is just one entity that will bring more attention to it. He hasn’t done anything but help so far, I also agree that the name could be better. The point I’m really trying to stress is people working together with a positive attitude is what will make it bigger and bring it more attention. It’s seems the one’s that bitch the most do the least to change anything, and that is not a direct stab at you in any way. I guess if people are so up in arms about what he’s trying to do then they should take up some form of direction they see fit on their own and start getting things done. That’s the way I feel. I could care less about the folks that worship Hank.. I love Hank’s Music and I love how he rolls, but he is on his own, I guarantee you that he could give a fuck about any of this, whether he started it or not. So, that being said.. Lets spend our time doing other things than bitching on this blog. I’m done, over and out.

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      • I think the idea of one entity running the show is a bad thing, like I said before it takes a lot of people working together to make it happen. I think Shooters idea is just one entity that will bring more attention to it. He hasn’t done anything but help so far, I also agree that the name could be better. The point I’m really trying to stress is people working together with a positive attitude is what will make it bigger and bring it more attention. It’s seems the one’s that bitch the most do the least to change anything, and that is not a direct stab at you in any way. I guess if people are so up in arms about what he’s trying to do then they should take up some form of direction they see fit on their own and start getting things done. That’s the way I feel. I could care less about the folks that worship Hank.. I love Hank’s Music and I love how he rolls, but he is on his own, I guarantee you that he could give a fuck about any of this, whether he started it or not. So, that being said.. Lets spend our time doing other things than bitching on this blog. I’m done, over and out.

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  • whistle while I watch…. whir wher whir whor wher whir whir

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  • I just can’t sign on to the negative campaign. A negative attitude accomplishes nothing, it keeps the wheels spinning in the mud and moving forward. It’s the naysayers that spend their time bitching and complaining who hold it back, when all the while they are doing nothing on their own to truly improve anything. Some people are just afraid of change too, afraid that the when something evolves it won’t be the same. But you can’t fight the fact that this will evolve, and it will on it’s own. In the process of the new growth, people should work together to make it stronger and support one another. No one really cares about the guy that sits around and just complains and talks shit about everything, the bitching eventually turns into white noise. Let’s face it, this kind of music isn’t meant to be pimped out like a Mcdonalds franchise, but it needs solid direction, and people like Shooter who step up to plate and give it a shot need to be commended, and we need to offer our support to them. The dude is trying to make something happen, and until he proves that he isn’t in it for the wrong reasons he has our support. Let’s face it, a negative attitude will never get you anywhere in life.

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    • Yes Darren….this blog has comments that are an example of negativity and untruth.
      Seeds planted to generate the rumor mill.
      What does XXX have to do with Reinstate Hank?
      Hank III’s “camp” deserted him? WHO is the deserting “camp” and what does it have to do with XXX?

      “But marching orders never came. Ideas floated out there to help unite the music were never followed through with. Reinstate Hank became headless. And now loyalty has withered, interest has waned, and disillusion and desertion from the Hank III camp is common.” ~ Triggerman

      Nothing to do with XXX, just an opportunity for “sour grapes”.

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      • Just to clarify some things.

        I did not say that Hank III’s camp deserted him. I said:

        “…loyalty has withered, interest has waned, and disillusion and desertion from the Hank III camp is common.”

        And I stand behind that comment as being an undeniable truth. You don’t have to go anywhere farther than comments in this very blog to see that.

        XXX and Reinstate Hank have nothing directly to do with each other, and I never stated that they did. There are some indirect links however, and Shooter mentioned it in the interview he did with Outlaw Radio. Reinstate Hank is probably the biggest cause of the underground country movement, and XXX is attempting to unite underground country, and so thus, there is a connection.

        This article was not about Reinstate Hank. It was mentioned, among many other things in passing, to point out that there has been a lack of leadership and progress. And I stand behind those comments, as someone who wants to see Reinstate Hank move forward.

        Promises weren’t kept. And I have kept specifics out of this conversation to try to AVOID the rumor mill getting started. And if that’s what I want to do, is start a rumor mill, what is my motive? Please tell me? Am I trying to erode support for Hank III? Why? Name me someone who has fought harder for Hank III than I have?

        I don’t understand this reactionary stance that anyone who says anything that could even be perceived as being negative against Hank III then is a piece of shit, or wrong. Nobody is harder on Hank III, than Hank III. I said before that the production of DRRP was not good, and people jumped on me for it. Read this:

        http://www.americanaroots.com/2008/10/27/features/hank-iii-tells-us-how-it-is/

        That was posted by someone else in this comment section, and the author of that article has commented here too. Paragraphs and paragraphs of Hank III explaining why DRRP sounded bad and had poor energy. Hell, at least I said that despite the production, there were great songs.

        You are completely missing the point of this article. The main theme of this article was that Shooter Jennings, SHOOTER JENNINGS of all people, and artists that 6-8 months ago I said I would never write another about because he wasn’t country anymore, is taking over the army that Hank III built, however inadvertently, and my mixed feelings on that as a Hank III fan.

        This was not about Reinstate Hank, or some attempt to spread rumors or lies. And if you or others disagree, please, PLEASE include the motive of why I would do this, because I would really like to know. My motive was to be realistic about some very real problems facing the underground music scene.

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        • “…reactionary stance that anyone who says anything that could even be perceived as being negative against Hank III then is a piece of shit, or wrong.”

          “If you want to say, “If they don’t like Hank III, fuck them,” I completely understand that sentiment.”

          Honestly I don’t care who don’t like III….really.
          And I don’t care who gets sucked in by Shooter. I will say this much….that picture of Shooter on that you posted on here irritates me as much as that Tim McGraw perfume picture does.

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        • “As I said in my first comments about XXX,…Finally, FINALLY, an artist is trying to show some kind of goddamn leadership, in some capacity, whatsoever.”

          “This was supposed to be Hank III’s fight. He built this army. ”

          1. These statements contradict each other.

          2. The comment re: XXX sits right next to the pic of the goofball with a gun pointing at his own …….. whatever is in there.

          That’s not the kind of “leadership” that I want…and apparently many others feel the same or this blog would not have gone on this long. If that is the leader you and others want to follow please note that I don’t have a problem with that either.

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          • These statements contradict each other because they were both taken out of context and shoved against each other end to end, which was not how they were intended to be read. Just like what you did with XXX and Reinstate Hank.

            I do NOT support XXX, and I have not signed the petition. I have also not ruled out signing the petition in the future. I think this is the most important issue that I and underground country has faced since I started doing this 3 years ago, and that is why I see it as imperative to stay impartial. I will give my opinions when I think someone is misrepresenting something, but beyond that, I am not for it, nor against it at this point. More specifically I am for the idea, but against the name and some other specifics about it.

            But more specifically, you’re right, the situation is confusing, that’s why I said in this article:

            “I’m not giving any answers here, only questions and concerns. Not criticisms, just observations.”

            THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS ARTICLE. Was to point out that as much as we need leadership, it is inexplicable where it is coming from and how confused I am of where we go from here. NOT to bash Reinstate Hank or Hank III, but simply to explain in context how some neglect in leadership, however right, wrong, or justified it was, created the vacuum where Shooter and XXX could come in and fill it.

            If you love Reinstate Hank (and Hank III for that matter), then you have to be willing to look at it honestly and fairly and see where the problems are, so you can create solutions to make it stronger. Saying “Everything’s great, no problems here,” allows those problems to get worse and keeps the movement from moving forward.

            As many comments are here, there’s even more on the previous articles. This XXX discussion did not start right now, right here, but over a month ago. And trust me, MANY of the criticisms you have for it, we share.

            http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/this-new-shooter-jennings-xxx-genre

            http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/artists-back-xxx-genre-roundtable-discussion

            http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/exclusive-interview-with-shooter-jennings-about-xxx

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  • I talked yesterday to the host of a syndicated radio program. He’ll be interviewing Shooter in a few weeks and plans to incorporate more XXX music into his programming. That’s the same story that’s been happening over and over with this thing: a podcast telling us they like what we’re doing and asking if we could help them promote their stuff and vice versa. Labels like Darren’s, as well as Sol Records and others, getting behind the idea. Bands contacting me personally to let me know they want to do whatever it takes to help XXX succeed.

    Triggerman stated above that he’s been trying to get the opinions of the artists on this above anything else. I can tell you this: Fifth on the Floor is planning to do a “XXX Awareness Night” in Lexington, Kentucky and they came up with that idea on their own with no help from me or Shooter.

    Bands like Joecephus & the George Jonestown Massacre have sent Shooter their new single before sending it to anybody else, knowing that he would play it and would help them out any way he could. Then just a few days later, I debuted their new music video at No Depression and quoted band leader Joey Killingsworth as saying this: “As far as XXX goes, I’m surprised no one thought of getting all these bands together before. It makes perfect sense to come together since there are so many bands on the fringe out there doing everything from punked out blues, country, southern sludge, etc. that are all doing shows together and playing the same places…Plus with Shooter playing us and a lot of the other ones on the show it is helping us reach a larger audience.”

    I could go on and on telling you about all of the great bands who have embraced XXX but it’s really a pointless exercise. Certain people will reject it because Shooter’s involved. Others will reject it outright because of the name (the equivalent of blindly voting for a political party instead of looking closely at both candidates). Certain people are, in my opinion, rejecting because of their own selfish interests. But those who aren’t rejecting it, which is the overwhelming majority of artists, radio people, labels, bloggers, fans, etc., know what it’s about. They know that we will do everything within our power to bring down both the Nashville pop-industrial complex and restore great music to the masses.

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    • Well there you go Adam. Take your XXX and run with it. Your opinion of people not liking it is a selfish interest is missing the point all together.

      You came to SCM to see what people thought/think. Now you know.

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      • I’m not referring to you or most of the people here. I’m actually referring to one person in particular and came to that conclusion after we talked to numerous people who have been associated with him.

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    • Did you correct Joey Killingsworth and tell him I’ve actually tried to do this in the past with anti-country, and more passively with this website in general?

      It’s great that many bands have signed on, but some haven’t, including some very important ones. XXX can’t be like the die hard Hank III fans with their head in the sand saying, “Nothing’s wrong here, just a few sour grapes people bitching about nothing.” There are still serious issues to be resolved for either XXX to really take off, or keeping it from dividing the underground where the pieces are weaker than the sum of their parts.

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      • Yes, I’m sure he already knows about and respects the great work done by you, Jashie, and others, as well as the work we were doing at No Depression and that Shooter was doing on XM, but I think what he meant was something along the lines of ALL of these elements bonding together with some sort of leadership out front.

        And Shooter has told me numerous times that he is no more important to XXX than any other artist. It’s about the movement as a whole, not about Shooter Jennings, not about Hank III, not about Bob Wayne, or anybody else. As always, we’re trying to resolve any issues people have with anything regarding the movement, including the name, but as of yet there haven’t been very many good suggestions. We can’t call it anything related to country, blues, folk, rock, or anything else. And we definitely can’t call it anything related to the word “roots,” because that creates a connotation of something old and irrelevant especially in the eyes of younger fans who are going to be the future of this music if it’s to survive. We’re open to all other suggestions.

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  • Ok, there is something funny going on with this denise person. How can you be so blatantly against Shooter or XXX? Do you not like moonshine, or our music. Or does it not fit into the little box in your head where XXX can only mean porn? why would anyone pour so much hate and animosity towards something so relevant to our scene? Who are you to condone anything? If III would ever comment or reach out, then we would know where he stands. Don’t speak for him. Shooter does. Darren does. I am reading thru these posts and she just sounds scorned. If she is trying to help III, it dose not! I’m gonna go with the Charlie Sheen analogy!

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    • What are you implying man? Denise has been a loyal reader and commenter on this site for years. How is it so hard to understand her vehemence against the name and having Shooter at the helm when dozens of other people have had that same exact criticism? I don’t understand how some XXX supporters can act like it is ridiculous to think this is an issue. It is an issue, simply from the fact of how many people have spoken out against it. So now what are you going to do? Are you going to discount that criticism as stupid? Or are you going to attempt to either respectfully plead your case on the contrary, or attempt to resolve the underlying issue to appease the criticism?

      Denise isn’t the only one concerned about the name. I am too. So are many others.

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    • Actually I do kind of understand what Denise is saying. I think she’s trying to tell Ice Cold Country that she was listening to this music before anybody came up with a bad name for it (XXX) and as such, she chooses to not subscribe to this new ‘genre’. I think Ice Cold Country enjoys antagonising her as she always bites like a sheen! This is a long running disagreement with them from many posts ago, so if you are just hooking into this now it might look like Denise is “pouring so much hate and animosity towards something so relevant to our scene” however I really don’t think that is the case at all. I think she’s said it so many times to Ice Cold Country that her frustration is evident. She’s been around a very long time on this site and I really respect her opinions and thoughts. I also think she should be quite flattered to be compared to The Sheen. He is pretty fantastic! He has fire breathing fists and is on a drug. “It’s called Charlie Sheen. It’s not available because if you try it you will die. Your face will melt off and your children will weep over your exploded body.” AWESOME!

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  • Whoa, quite the bun fight going on here. I’d recommend a sit down and a strong cuppa people. I think Ice Cold takes the cake though calling Denise “Sheen like”. Legend. You two should just get a room ;P

    On a positive note Hank III posted this comment on his facebook page in response to someone asking what he was doing:

    Shelton Hank Williams III Makin the new country record…had to take a b break and let the arm rest…Workin on guitar and drum trax todayzzzzzz
    Friday at 04:55 · Unlike · 20 people

    If you are a facebook friend and want to see it for yourself it’s under Shelton Hank Williams III post ‘I might as well go back to milkin cow’s being on this schedule’. Sounds like the man is working hard!

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    • Did he mention anything about XXX?

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      • Of course not, he barely even mentions anything about his own music. He posts such random stuff on his fb page. Today he posted up a photo of some strange animal tracks in the snow by his house ?!? And he often posts info about animals he is trying to adopt out, which is actually very sweet. He might be the worst self promotor ever! Are you a facebook friend?

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        • No Carla, I am not his Facebook friend, because he already has too many (see latest article).

          I am glad that Hank III is working on his next country album, but if he is currently laying down drum and guitar tracks, I see no reason to revise my estimate that it will be late 2011 or early 2012 before we see an album. If it is before, then hell yeah. And it’s good that he has communicated with us, or at least with 5,000 of us, but I am not going to say spending 20 seconds composing a sentence means that the all clear siren has sounded. The point of this article was NOT to bitch that it was going to be a while for the next Hank III country album as many have misunderstood.

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          • Yeah, I know that. However a few people commenting here have turned it into that, and a Shooter versus III debate as well. I’m not even going to state my opinion about XXX again as it’s all beginning to sound like a broken record. Either the powers behind XXX will heed our calls for a few tweeks, or they won’t. I’m not going to get my knickers in a knot over it anymore. I only posted that info about Shelton’s country record here as it seemed like a little bit of light on the horizon :)

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          • Good news! Facebook must have lifted that silly rule ’cause III accepted my friend request! Granted, he’s not saying much about anything we’re frothing at the mouth to hear. That said, seeing his random posts are like rays of sunshine in my day.

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  • you know, there’s a bunch of argument about the name “XXX” well based on talk of just the name alone it was a great idea, it gets people talking. Remember there is no such thing as bad publicity anymore. Charlie Sheen can go crazy on TV and is more popular than ever. Hell even the legal trouble the Goddamn Gallows had i’m sure got them some fans. XXX gets people talking.

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    • exactly. I said that back when people started talking about the name. People will hear “XXX music” and become curious to see what it is.

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      • i wonder how many people will be disappointed not hearing cheezy 70′s autowah basslines and moaning, lol

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        • exactly

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  • Wow, I feel so giddy right now! Sheen like! Like Sheen! Like, wow, man, I’m so crazy I’m Sheeny. Crazy Like a Sheen! <<>>

    I done said I don’t hate Shooter. Is anyone listening? Or am I just blowing smoke in the Sheen?

    I mean, Sheen!

    Does anybody really give a Sheen? Sorry, I’m gonna go soak my Sheen in my sorrows and listen to KOOK 93.5 The REAL DEAL. Bet they don’t hate my Sheeniesm.

    P.S. Get your Sheen on :)

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    • Denise I’m glad to see you can be a good sport about it. I dont think you are crazy at all, if anything maybe a little short sighted, But you’re opinion is your opinion. Share it. Scream it as loud as you can, as long as it is how you really feel. IceColdCountry was out of line on some of his personal attacks. Seems you have been coming to this site for a long time and sharing thoughts that us new comers dont have a clue about, so a little respect is deserved.
      And if you ever come around to the side of “XXX music” That i am on, then you would be welcome to join in then. If not that’s fine also.

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      • Well thank you Nathan, although I don’t consider myself shortsighted. But that’s what the world is made up of . . .varying opinions and thought and such. That’s why there are polls and surveys and questionaires: everybody is very interested in what everybody else thinks.

        I took some psychology classes and I think I get what Ice Cold is doing. Because I don’t succumb to his views, he thinks there is something wrong with me. He’s barking up the wrong tree because even though I don’t like the XXX stigma for the genre that Shooter is promoting, I DO like most of the music and I DON’T like what Music Row has done to country music.

        Thank you also to Carla and Triggerman. :)

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  • Y’all just go do it Adam, Shooter, IceCold, Darren (Farmaggedon), Nathan. Why do y’all need pats on the back? Why do you need signatures? Why do you need a misinforming brand? Why do you need a face? That’s funny to me. Looking for a pat on the back is plastering something on a record or a radio station saying this is presented by: blah blah blah. hype hype hype, words words words. Our music will be presented by a label, and a family, and y’all are ruining it for me. This isn’t natural. Fake tits.

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    • lmao….”fake tits” yep….good perspective

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      • And here I thought a boob was a boob.

        I agree with HB HQ in that regard: Do your thang, XXX. There will be people who don’t like it. You knew that, right?!

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    • “Our music will be presented by a label, and a family, and y’all are ruining it for me.”

      key word there being “me”.

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      • Exactly. He’s shown his true colors here time and time again and has shown them even more on his own blog.

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        • He doesn’t give a shit about anything, including his artists, as long as he’s in control. This has nothing to do with not being for XXX. Triggerman hasn’t signed the petition and he’s totally cool with me. The problem is his attitude.

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  • go ahead… Im lifting my shirt and turning, showin nothing in my waistband, all pockets are turned out and I am walking toward you and looking in your eyes…and waiting….

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    • Why are you so confrontational about everything?

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    • Put you’re shirt down dip shit. Im not sure if you realize this or not, But NO ONE here is scared of you. You and i have already had this conversation on a different post. Just because you say you are the toughest, and you certainly ARE the most belligerant ( not a Big word, But ill define it for you- BLINDLY AGGRESSIVE) doesnt mean anything to me.

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      • I didnt mean it like that, I meant all I have is my heart, ask me anything or explain it to me like a man. I am not speaking japanese here, its just tough talk talk dude, and I never jump physically 1st unless I have to, or because my back is against the wall… I am explaining how I am all ears and not going to listen to bullshit. Yeah, we did, talk about this on another blog, right before I called a few folks about you and found out some info on you I was willing to share if you kept on… and you didnt, …then…gmail has a real nice option to help me dig all that up again….

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        • By all means, Share you’re info.

          The line about calling a few folks… WHO?

          You know know one that knows me…. But by all means share what you found.

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  • Everything? Want to put more actions to me than whats called for dude? things aren’t sitting right with me, my intuitions are strong, always been. This whole XXX hits a sour note with me…. I dont think you need it either. I had been seein something everyday from the Farm, and everytime I heard something that was coming out of your camp, I been honestly surprised at the quality, yes, quality. Mainly because TFPC Jay been askin my thoughts, and I had none. I also had been watching until I heard “McDonalds Franchise”, so unless you can explain how that wasn’t targeted at me, it’s on. I changed up my black on black theme on all new hats & shirts from here on out, as it’s nice to adopt, allowing you some imagry that says “home” for your thang. The few posts you have made in regards to this XXX thing recently, gave me bad imagry of a smile you had that wasn’t geniune, while pickin off that plate, it affected me. Days ago I deleted you, and all your affiliates I know of from my social media sites… still some to go, because what I think of as XXX, you have really takin in the mold well. again….. I didn’t think you needed that. It aint about holdin hands and uniting with me anymore. This whole Shooter thing has given me headaches, bellyfires, raced heart, and a plan. A plan to release good music all the time, and not bring something bad on board with my wife, child to be, stepchildren, artists, dirtyfoots & fans of our artists to be exposed to. I am on a fight to bring this in every working household. I thought Farmageddon was going to be the thing I could turn people to for kickin up that dust a lil more, raisin that hell a lil more….raising that bar more, making me think more…and now I cant watch it…. I cant watch someone presenting music, that aint MAKING the music, especially THIS kind of music. It gives me a false tingling. Im the 1st to explain how Hillgrass Bluebilly can be compared to a McDonalds as far as a multi level marketing opportunity. The way you said it called this man out into the street. THAT answers your question….. I just ripped this bush up from the roots and chucked it at your feet Big D. If I wrong about McDonalds…. something still hadnt been sittin write, hence deletion, days ago.

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    • Again, you are extremely confrontational and your attitude is not going to help you or any of your artists. The music on our label is very real and we are blessed with a solid roster. Many of them are in support of the XXX and Shooters efforts to try an bring their music to a broader audience. If you feel the way you do, no one can change that. But I strongly urge you to think about the big picture.. That being the musicians that are actually playing music for a living. In order for them to do that you need to get them in front of more than just a small scene, and rightly so, they deserve to be heard by as many people as will listen. There is nothing confrontational or negative about what we are doing. The label is one big family and we all work together and embrace the positive things coming our way and those who have a desire to see it succeed. I feel like you are missing the point and taking a very defensive stance on this. Shooter Jennings is a good dude and has no ill intentions, he is only trying to help. He is only one small entity in the big picture and is far from a threat to anything or anyone. Like I said, being negative about it isn’t going to help out. We pretty much just focus on making good music and in turn we make sure as many folks out there have a chance to hear it as possible. You can delete everyone, and turn your back on everyone all you want, the only person that is really losing out will be you, actually your artists will too, being that you represent them. You might want to check with the bands you work with to see how they feel. I don’t really care to waste anymore time on this blog, it’s just turning into a pissing match, it will do nothing good for anyone in the end to continue to argue back and forth about opinions. I hope you guys succeed at what you do, you work with some great people.

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    • just remember, to have a war you need to have 2 sides willing to participate. Food for thought.

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    • “Let’s face it, this kind of music isn’t meant to be pimped out like a Mcdonalds franchise, but it needs solid direction, and people like Shooter who step up to plate and give it a shot need to be commended, and we need to offer our support to them.”

      Keith, I think Darren is referring to the idea that some may see XXX as the beginning of some form of corporatization of all this music that we love and want to protect. I didn’t really know much about the XXX movement or Shooter prior to these articles, and at first I was a little wary as well. I have been reading up on it a bit lately and have come to the conclusion that it is not a bad thing.

      The idea that Shooter and Adam have some kind of agenda that is going to lead to something nefarious seems a little ludicrous to me. It’s getting the acts more exposure, leading to more sales, leading to these artists being able to dedicate more time to their craft and not have to work other jobs to put food on the table. If there is some other agenda that will be detrimental to the scene, I’m sure the artists and labels involved will be able to smell a rat and simply walk away.

      XXX is really just another name, like Grunge, Punk, Metal, etc… I don’t think I ever heard Cobain say he was a grunge artist, but Nirvana were seen as the spearhead of the movement.

      Farmageddon’s artist’s are some of the most underground, cutting edge acts on the scene today. I mean, these guys are lowdown and dirty, just the way I like my music. It’s honest and brutal. XXX whether denoting white lightning or porn, seems a fitting tag for them at least. I say good on Darren for seeing the bigger picture and taking advantage of it for the sake of his artists.

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  • It is hard to follow some of these blogs, and certainly taking the time to read all of them and know the history is a task.

    My problem with and folks like her, is she holds herself out as someone with real knowledge of the industry with comments she makes and she makes statements as though factual based on “I know things, I have been through it”, and when called out to provide support for the claims, she has none and says “it is just an opinion”.

    There are some folks that come on here for the first time and start reading things. I would hate for them to form opinions on artists/ideas based on Denise’s “facts”. So I feel a duty as a country music fan to try and clear up the fake facts.

    Also, I really won’t understand those that don’t support XXX due to the name? I mean look at the bigger picture and what it is trying to do.
    What if I said I don’t listen or support Hellgrass Bluebilly because the name sounds like a stupid redneck jack off who thinks he is a tough buy by saying “when we come through your town, get out of our way.” But I do support it and enjoy the bands.

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    • Hellgrass Bluebilly (the Guy) , or keith, or Dumbass hq, or whatever else name he choses to use today does sound like a stupid redneck jackoff.

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    • You have no duty on my behalf. You’re no bigger fan than I am. Period.

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  • Jesus Fucking Christ people. Shut up and watch this, says it all

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVz6svD5axg

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  • we’re all in this together.

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    • I totally agree, but there is an enemy among us who doesn’t agree. He doesn’t support or associate with any label but his own or any artist who isn’t on his label.

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  • I said change the name and I’d be on board, as I felt there was no open door for anybody, as is. My views are not going to change anything.You also didn’t answer about your “McDonalds” statement, which set me off in the 1st place You act like 1892 was 500 years ago & men dont stand up for what they feel is right, you started it.. I shit sleep and breathe the big picture, and I knew this was going to start tearing shit apart the minute I read the title of Shooter/XXX. Noone is going to suffer or be unexposed come our way, especially because of this. Can’t happen. The very core of where we come from is one that is hard to match, you too. I see vertabre pooping out of backbone here with XXX. XXX is what ultimatley drove me away from all of this, name one instance where I wasn’t in support besides this, JUST ONE. Can Anybody? How exactly am I going to see the light, if I am in the light. Maybe folks are to eager to see this succeed, rather than record & perform good music. I am not going to stand by when you throw your statements in the ring, then don’t address them or back em up, and then have the Shooter crew chime in? You think thats workin? I didnt say get out of our way, I said get out of our FIGHT, and keep your fight on the sidewalks of holdbacks. I said our fight aint XXX. I also said we can all work together in our own individual fights. Again… stayiing out of ours… again…having em in the same yard (shows), But HB aint the ones for toes being stepped on. We are WAYmore tame about things, than we were year 1. Lets start comparing events pound for pound and lets see whos doing what for the big picture. We gonna have a fact-off? Fuck it, let’s do. Then maybe you will understand my passion, and then maybe you’ll understand who and why I respect. I am not turning my back, I am working hard and releasing top notch releases. No pissing match here… you called me out, and I opened the door for you. Don’t think you are going to take stabs at HB and not answer for them in some capacity. Whether it be my ignoring you or addressing you. I am just accepting your invitation to you taking stabs at our mission & method. I explained in detail how XXX hurt, you want to lick the part without the active, red shingles. I aint touchin it. Adam, do you really want me to go grab statements from non HB artists about how I support them? Do you really want me to make you crawl in a hole, you dare peek out of? That would be easily done, but will not bother artists about such bullshit, but will to shove your theory in the ground. We aint nothin but about the good, but it ALL has to be good. Our dirtyfoots know that, and y’all’d know it too. Jayke, that white trash ass / military / world changing video game advertisement post makes me just want to hug everybody in some weird way, to oertain that song to this discussion was a sweet thing, that kinda worked for me in some weird way.

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    • I’ll take a hug! Kudos to you HB HQ for standing your ground, stating your concerns, and fighting the fight.

      I also agree that when it comes to Trashville a united front will always be accepted. If people don’t want to come on board with XXX, it’s not because they don’t believe in the good fight, it’s because the name is the problem.

      Change the name Shooter and see what happens.

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  • I also gave your Calamity Cubes ( a band Farmaggedon is wanting to sign) a meal buy out and a better payout & some extra drink money because they deserved it more than my Boomswagglers on my label did JUST THE OTHER NIGHT at my HB event. There is the most recent example of how I reward the good & hardworking, the ones who deserve that lil something extra. Call your boys….. thats where Im starting…

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  • I tell ya what, change the name to RRR (or something) and I will donate every HB proceed of “Hiram & Huddie” to a cause of Shooters choice of charity or Farmaggedon Charity Choice or a Charity of Adam Sheets choice, for one year. I can do that with “Hiram & Huddie” because we released that as an entertainment company…not a label. I can work with Shooter if he ain’t fuggin it up FOR ME, SINCE IT’S MY PAYCHECK, FUNDING HB, mostly…. Will that make up for my harshness? Probably not, I know the threat I am just being here. Are we talkin real here? … or are we B.S.’n? I spent 4 hours typing what we need to do to see success. Noone wants to address that… it’s too much work…. or I figured it out on paper 1st…. whatever it is, the tension created itself, Im just the one that cut it. Darren, you been takin little pokes at me and I told you I was watching you, to fair warn you, and on THIS thread and you decided on and went on with your McDonalds statement, which I still haven’t walked you through yet to see there are no holes and only heart in that endeavor.

    The only reason this affects me is because I care, and people know I care a lot and am among the top%, as YOU, Mr. Montana… as folks who are known to SACRIFICE ourselves, for ANYONE in our region, or the world (fans). You have a dad who comes out, dances, laughes, shadow boxin & smiling & conversatin’, and shows support. I have a mother fucker for a dad. You choose to work with other promoters, for the same act to go elsewhere in your town, not under your promotions, I make sure I pay as much as I need to and get that act, under NO circumstances….ok, wife lost her mucus plug… ok…its normal…. anyways…. we have our fights that work for what we do man. I have never done nothing to you but making remarks and taking stabs is something I dont do. You probably set this up, knowing I’d address you, bad move man…. bad move…

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    • That is fair but i dont think anyone wants you’re money. Just contact Shooter or Adam and rationally share you’re concerns. You’re artist deserve the free pub and it cant do anything but help.

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      • there aint no money, I did a split that would be way less than a thousand bucks, over a year, the splits we create for our artists, people call me crazy for. Im just willin to give HB share up since I was so harsh in earler postings last week or so…. I will always be me, thatd just be my nice gesture if he changed the name. Changing the name proves my “anchor” theory wrong. But it proves that we could work. There has been nothing but turned noses to my questions, my WORKING theories, and my name change request, so sorry if Im fucking offended…. excuse me for standing up for the workin man, that has daughters & sons, not wanting XXX in their house. Dont forget, HB artists had XXX slapped all over them, I have a right y’all….

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  • RRR is for ROOTS ROCK RADIO btw. Yes I seemingly make remarks & take stabs, but I go for nuts and throats, not to hide my intentions…. Will I let McDonalds go….maybe…. that is trickery, sly and the true essential of taking a stab. We are men doing music, not music doing man! Both can work, stay out of my fight… that McDonalds is a loose dog bro….. he took off and I aint goin lookin. But ol boy comes back to me…. ol boy dies at my feet….. ( I am referencing my dog, my loose dog, that anyone that KNOWS me knows my dog roams, my dogs come home…. and you live by me, you die by me, like my fucking dog, did at my feet, on my feet). You took the dog in my soul and you stabbed it bro…. a dog that did you NOTHIN ( as I do my best to not …..deep breath). I’ll deal with you later….. GDit

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    • I’m all the way done with this Keith. If you want to email me about anything you have questions about, feel free too. This has been taken way out of context and you’re defensive nature is not helping anything. I haven’t taken any stab at you at all. Most of what you are saying is just jibberish to us anyway, I seriously have no clue as to what the fuck you are even talking about. Let it go man.. Go work on something positive, this is about as lame as a Springer Show.

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  • ok…im calm…I like the Darren I met too fucking much, I have seen me and him care the same 1st hand about things in HIS town, same situation. I seen his heart, and XXX has torn our relationship apart, with him taking a stab and not a full-on cutthroat. I dont play like that, HB dont play like that. Underbreaths are called out on and non playful stabs are called out on. Everyone said theyd ask Shooter already about my RRR movement…. Im about to start one… maybe thats shooters job and Adam fucked it up…I DONT KNOW, but I know I will not stand for XXX. I already said I can see the good. But ol Keither dont see through the bad, hence is why I am “extreme”. There need be I yo. Can anyone understand that? I shut up and shnaged the color of our flags to accomedate his branding, I make changes that I see helpful. I didnt want to confuse anything with basic imagry to the outsider. Im off point, Im calm… but there is still a loose dog. I dont want to start RRR, but I will if I have too. I have another fight, ok, Shooter, help out here? And you are gonna have to ask me for HnH proceeds, I aint lookin to carry that out unless you call me on it. Dont assume I will.

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    • You have to be on way more drugs than sheen ever was or is. NO ONE WANTS YOURE MONEY. ADAM DID NOT DO YOU ANY HARM. IF YOU WANT TO START A RRR MOVEMEMENT, BY ALL MEANS DO IT. If it comes from a good place like this one I will support it also, however i have read youre thoughts and know you only come from a place that is you. If RRR means no profit for you the same way XXX means no profit for Shooter or Adam I could be convinced. It is all about supporting artist that make good shit so that they can make a healthy living doing it. that is all this is. It is not Shooter vs. III. And it seems to me that while some may not like the name others just use that as an excuse to not like it because it is Shooter and Shelton told you a long time ago He didnt like a lyric Shooter used in a song.

      Turns out that it was a misunderstanding anyway. Put the O Back In Country was from Carlene Carter not Shelton. If III Knew his country history the same as Shooter does He Would Have Known That From The Begining.

      Let It Go Folks. III already has. Now lets move on and grow this music.

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    • As for XXX tearing our relationship apart… You are doing that on your own, not XXX

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      • the McDonalds post is left open for me, and I take no public chances. You had closed out your statement. I said I was watching, you took a couple stabs… everyone can see it. Manby says it was directed elsewhere, you still dont deny it, after me referencing Mickey D’s for the 7th time here. I am the only person in this room that has anything IN PLACE that could have been referenced to. Go squeeze your orange dude…. go squeeze it. XXX does things to people in ways you are careless about…. or just dont know yet, maybe that ain’t your fight, so it’s “all good”, and dont act like Im talkin jibberish, you know I know, and only you need to understand that.

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  • Trying to be calm about this now, but your idea of “individual fights,” while commendable, doesn’t lead to anything but martyrdom. Look at World War II. Right now we are all independent countries fighting a well-organized enemy. Shooter, Hank 3, Hillgrass, Farmageddon, etc. But UNITED we can win, just as the Allies did back then. As for a name change, as I’ve stated, we’re open to suggestions, so feel free to send them our way.

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    • what is the format or rules for names? or is there any?

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      • cathy

        if you go to http://www.givememyxxx.com/ you dont have to sign anything. You can check out what it is about. there is a forum if you want to join. I have not joined the forum but am the 17th signature. you dont have to do either, but if you are interested check it out and see what it is about.

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      • This comes from a private e-mail between Shooter and myself about the name. Neither of us have anything to hide, so here it is:

        “The name obviously can’t have the words country, rock, blues, folk, bluegrass, or anything like that in it, or it would misrepresent most of the artists who are both all of those things and none of them at the same time. And roots means old, and thus irrelevant, to most young people.”

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        • Adam, in regard to the name, couldn’t it be said that if people support the artists that XXX supports and has signatures from, and will get in the future, that it doesn’t necessarily mean XXX leadership is expecting folks to start going out and saying “I like XXX music.”

          As I understand it, the XXX idea/movement/format is more to have some arguements with industry/radio brass.

          No one is saying you have to, as a fan or band, start saying your “XXX music” now. But what is being asked is to support the music, and if you do, hey, sign this petition so ‘we’ as a group, can fight the big machines.

          Folks are thinking this is trying to put words in their mouth about what music they like, it really has nothing to do with that. In my opinion.

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          • Yes, XXX is mainly a radio term and possibly the name for a festival. Very few people know what AAA is outside of radio and no artists say they play “AAA music.” I know the term through press releases which tell me who certain bands are being marketed to, but other than that I would probably not know what it means.

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  • HB HQ- you said “I tell ya what, change the name to RRR (or something) and I will donate…”

    Why does it have to be called RRR? Because you came up with that?

    If the idea of XXX is something you like, and would support if it was called RRR, why not just take a moment, realize that it is a good thing, has backing of some bands that really could make a difference and are more widely known than most in the underground (I hadn’t heard of your group until I got to SCM, which I got here through fans of Jamey Johnson… oh no!!) so the noise that XXX can make is respectively, more than you can. Flat out. You certainly contribute to the cause, but everyone has a role and needs to know it and work together.

    Your passionate dislike for XXX based on name alone is really to bad and hard to reason.

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    • i begged and pleaded in an earlier blog that please dont hate RRR because I came up with that, I said Id sign that off as an agreement we came up with.

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  • Roots Rock Radio, Cathy…. its the only all encompassing answer…. I already said that I visioned ALL us record labels printing an RRR on a sleeve or on any poster for any/every show…. whats more badass than that? Noone adressed that pig either… (from an earlier blog)

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    • RRR to me is no better, actually worse than XXX. It has already been brought up that XXX gets attention right out of the gate, even if bad attention. RRR- Roots Rock Radio??? That to me, would signal some type of urban roots music before anything country.

      Again, I say listen to how Shooter presents it in radio format before you think you know how confusing it would be.

      Just so I am not ripping names with no suggestion. I suggested in the first XXX article, as I didn’t like the name out of the gate….the name- AmericXn CountXy MusXc.

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      • didn’t finish my thought… I suggested AmericXn CountXy MusXc, and that was just because I read about XXX on a few blogs. Then, THEN… I actually heard Shooter present it on radio. The XXX didn’t bother me at all. So my suggestion was pretty worthless, as many that argue the name without listening to how it is presented.

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  • RRR is not my answer….. its everyones that attempts something like this…..(Roots Rock)

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    • Right on HB HQ and if the powers that be behind the XXX format are so unwilling to change for the GOOD of the MOVEMENT, then that says something too . . .

      Night y’all.

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    • but you came up with acronym, RRR, right?

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  • So just a change from XXX to RRR would make all the difference in the world to you ?

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  • Again Keith, you said in an earlier post that you made a few calls and found out about me. I responded that you know no one that knows me. Please share what you have found out.

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    • Here Keith, Keith, Keith… Show me how brown you’re eyes are. Not a Zipcode thats already in my username.. I’m here pussy. If you want to make such bold statements by all means back them up.

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      • calm down dude. I was only going to disclose that you are an obssessive Shooter fan, No, seriously, I read your hundreds of posts on his sites & yours. You came in that earlier blog all actin like you are voicin’ for the people when it looks like you are paid to post on that site….. thus you being a shooter superfan, not a voice for people. But if I can refrain from the faggot & pussy remarks (that I have to catch myself on), you can too.

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        • I would have to check again, but i think i have left fewer post on his new site since it opened in december than i have here in the past month.

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        • You just make up way to much shit, and what you just said is made up. Tell everyone the sites that they can go to to find the hundreds of posts. I Am A Shooter Fan. I Am A Hank III Fan Also. Tell Everyone where they can go and find all my secret posts please.
          Anyway I’m done with you for now.

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    • oh nothing… you are just the biggest Shooter fan on ALL of his sites. You called my bluff… but you are a big superfan…which is alright. I never sad anything bad about Shooter until he said something bad “XXX”, to a good thing. Plain & simple. He was already killin all y’all with kindness until I couldn’t take anymore of it. He told ALL YALL the name ain’t changing, thats when I took stand… tell me different. IceCold “AmericXn……” isn’t bad… but I suggested RXXTS RXCK in an earlier post, which uses both our concepts, but they said NO. RXXTS RXCK is better, Im sorry. Actually RXXTS RXCK is the actual best answer, its the medium, meeting ground I think we can all forget. XXX did tear me apart from Farm, cause somethin tells me destruction with XXX, which blows EVERYTHING I work for to shit. RXXTS RXCK replaces the same letter, its easy to understand AND be that edgyness you want people to see ADAM and say “what’s that”, when looking at it.

      Y’all made something that misbranded some fans, and I saw it that way too. You defended it. NOT GOOD. Its not all Rock and Country, your current list or past bands that qualify list is ALL Roots Rock is for everybody. Now that its Shooters turn, RXXTS RXCK can exist, and flourish and be all helping, all including and something I can show to my dirtyfoots…. I cant show them Im on the XXX list, so I did what I had to do as quick as possible so NOONE saw the XXX inclusion for HB. The mark of the beast is decieving….. be careful what you stamp on your hand!

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      • did you even care to listen to why XXX was the name to go with? It makes perfect sense.

        It isn’t all about roots rock, that might be part of it, but not all of it. Your role is roots rock. That could fall under the XXX umbrella. That is your role.

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      • Tell me and everyone else how and why i am the biggest Shooter fan of all his sites. How many sites are there? How often do i Say anything on any of them? I know the answers. There is the official site and there is an unofficial yahoo group. Between both of them i may have 50 comments lifetime. I an a Shooter fan, but that has nothing to do with XXX or youre lies.

        Please quite making up shit. You just look stupid in the process. I can call you out because you are not smart. Im not inventing the wheel here so i think others can do the same.

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        • im couting 111 on twitter

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          • Fact.
            @nathan38401 on twitter only has posted 36 tweets. Not all of them to Shooter (@tennessewolf). Maybe 5 to shooter. If you want to you can follow me on twitter and see exactley how seldom I post.

            If you cant do anything but lie why do you live. there is good air out there for all of us to take in. stop stealing it.

            If it seems like i have an issue with you it is because i do. I hate liars. Make up a lie about that.

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        • K guys, just to let you know, if we descend into personal threats, comments will be deleted, per the Saving Country Music pro bono lawyers. And I REALLY don’t like engaging in censorship.

          Let’s be constructive or move on.

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          • sorry Trig, just got a little riled up. I respect you’re site and and the way you run it, just let it get away from me a little. With all do respect I am sorry.

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  • This is about the level this is at right now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PH54cp2ggFk

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    • Yes and I’m officially out of this discussion as of right now. If we can have a serious, mature discussion of how to improve the XXX idea and incorporate more into it without it resorting to name-calling and rudeness all around, please let me know so I can join in.

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      • Were working from a technical side to be able to conduct 6 person live roundtables and record them. As soon as we get that up and running I’ll let you know.

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        • ok Trig, I will take a seat if asked.

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      • I’ve just started a topic over at the XXX forum to try and address the naming issue. Can’t believe there wasn’t one already to deal with something so simple.

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        • you have to be a “verified member” to comment on XXX forum site……

          “…….however access to post on the site will be for verified members. To create a new account, select “Create Account”

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        • By the way, everyone is more than welcome to use this blog, the Saving Country Music message board, or anything else to continue the XXX discussion on. I did not want to scare y’all away, I just wanted to put an end to the back and forth in a public forum and focus more on proactive stuff.

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  • I wonder if Alan Freed had this much trouble when he coined the term Rock ‘N’ Roll?

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  • WOW. just read what you wrote there. good thoughts.

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    • Thanks man. There’s a lot of creative heads out there that really should toss around some ideas and see what they can come up with.

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  • In my opinion, this movement does not require a leader but many different people to help spearhead it. But the people to do this are not the artists …it should be the fans. In fact fans in every area.

    So my question to all of you….who would be open to submit their email, with general city/area location included, so a master email list can be created and viewed by all the xxx bands? From this, all these XXX, or whatever you want to call it, bands can have access to it and use it to send out announcements for their local shows/events and special announcements, etc. Emails of press contacts could also be shared so bands and/or band managers could send out press releases to media (radio, ink, blogs) in local areas.

    I think it would help build up show attendances and hence build up a fan base for the entire movement. Let Shooter do his work, and all the other radio programs too, but lets not loose sight of the fact that adding a festival will not uphold a fan base….it’s a nightly battle…ask any band on the road who plays to 20 people on a Tuesday night because they don’t who and where the fans are in that particular area.

    Hell, it might even help find people who want to put up the band for the night or offer them a meal, or even show swapping between bands, and it will also help the event promoters who are close to the fan base.

    This is something I have been thinking about doing but wondering if it is worth effort because it involves alot of like minded people to make it happen. (I already know some great people who would help out and lead the charge)

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    • Like I’ve said before, we don’t necessarily need a leader, but we do need leadership. I think the divisiveness found in this comments section shows why.

      I like the idea of the email list. I will tell you your biggest problem is going to be getting people to sign up. It might take a good amount of time to get enough subscribers to make it viable.

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      • I agree some people will have some reservation about signing up. BUT if we are all into this like we say we are you would think it would work to some degree…at least make things better. I want to see the response about it here before I start this as it is a large time consuming task.

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        • sure, let’s do it.

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      • ” I think the divisiveness found in this comments section shows why.”

        The divisiveness is over the name and over Shooter. Pointless divisiveness when you look at what the idea is hoping to accomplish. Gotta get over it, or you will never move from where things are right now. Every now and then a couple guys will trickle out to the masses, but the whole problem everyone is trying to fight won’t change.

        I am in for putting my name on an list to get info. on bands that are XXX bands.

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        • Was hoping for more than 3 responses (thank you three for responding by the way). I’ll wait a couple more days….was hoping more people would like the idea.

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          • I think this is a great idea, but you are going to have a few issues.

            Just like XXX, I did try, and am trying this idea already with the Saving Country Music calendar:

            http://www.savingcountrymusic.com/calendar

            Problem is people don’t understand it, dates get changed and nobody knows about it. We were better at distributing concert dates 6 years ago. I am working on an article right now to simply promote 5 bands for SXSW. 3 of the 5 bands do not have actionable information about when and where they will be playing, and two don’t have any tour information at all. I have been encountering this problem over and over over the past few months as bands are completely avoiding MySpace. They don’t update MySpace or Facebook, and then if they have a website, the calender simply redirects you to MySpace or Facebook, which again, don’t have dates filled in. So the demand is there, but the bands aren’t even using the infrastructure the have in place to promote their shows now.

            One problem I see with your idea at the moment is that it talks about XXX bands, but I don’t know if we’ve specifically described exactly who all the XXX bands are. And a few bands that I follow are not participating in XXX, meaning it would be an incomplete resource for me. Other people’s musical tastes or leanings are going to make it incomplete for them.

            I have looked into everything. Software, text message networks, I just started an old fashioned email list to try to keep people connected. What it is going to take is a complicated and proprietary system that can fits the needs of today because this is becoming a HUGE problem.

            I will help where I can.

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  • but on other blogs, they have described it as a movement…. along with the name, and the stance to stand behind it, is what outraged me to a point I have had to have a lot of repair work done to my delivery and how to say what I really mean, effectively. Man, good luck, I said Id try and help, but it ain’t at the top of my priority list….

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    • you make a good point Trig, everything does change or it is not even used to its fullest extent and then it seems to be abandoned. For note: I was using XXX bands as an example – who is involved and who isnt involved opens up a whole other kettle of worms.

      HBHQ – I hear ya….its a large task that I don’t think I am fully prepared to handle.

      maybe I should just sit down and figure out who the “go-getters” in promotion/community gathering are in each area/city…might be an easier approach that way.

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  • Not sure if this was mentioned in the replies, but Shooter has put out some XXX playlists on iTunes. Pretty nice lists to get a variety of artists.

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  • On the subject of what to call this movement/platform etc… I seriously think it is going to end up being called NRO music. Despite the idea that Adam and Shooter discussed in the email Adam made us privy to:

    ” And roots means old, and thus irrelevant, to most young people.”

    I think the way that Farmageddon utilized it is perfectly done. NEW ROOTS ORDER sums it all up.

    The way things have been shaping up over at the Farmageddon camp lately, what with this little article today: [url]http://starcasm.net/archives/89344[url]. It will not surprise me at all if Farmageddon is the first label to gain entry to the wider public. Hence, everthing fitting into this scene will become known as NRO music.

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    • I kind of don’t see that for many reasons. First off, running this thing through Farmageddon presents its own new set of problems. I love Darren, love Farmageddon, and support what they are doing, but if you thought “XXX” drew ire from people, wait till you put someone at the forefront that has upside down crosses on their logo.

      And this Danielle Colby stuff has been very cool, and it’s cool that they got that article on starcasm, but let’s tap the brakes just a little bit here. On the whole, Saving Country Music is probably a bigger site than starcasm, and is certainly more zeroed in on Farmageddon’s demographic. And even though I’ve been told many times that I should know who Danielle Colby is, even though I’ve probably spent two hours trying to figure that out, even though I have listened to two podcasts broadcast on my own site where she was the primary guest, I still have no idea who she is. Maybe it would help if I had cable, but I think we need to be happy for what is happening with Farmageddon, but keep it in perspective.

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      • I think that the real answer to how do we get this music out there and these artist exposed will not be with just one Loud movement. It will take XXX, Farmageddon and anyone else willing to push these artist to the front working together. Im not sure if one push is enough. There has to be a unified front. Every little bit helps, and in a greedy way I want these artist to have exposure so that I can find them.

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  • Comment from an old guy………..I have no trouble with Hank111 but I have a problem with Shooter because he ain’t Waylon….I admit it is totally illogical but it is what it is.

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  • Trigger Man,I’ve always been one to agree with you and everything you say,but I have to say I disagree with you for the first time here.I don’t think Hank III’s relevance is slipping.I’m not sure why he’s more or less shut himself off but I’m sure he has a good reason for it.I know he did some touring as well as a slot at SXSW with Arson Anthem so that could attribute to it.Now,i don’t agree with every decision III has made like getting rid of all opening bands because I’ve found some killer bands from his tourmates (Psyopus,ANTiSEEN,Artimus Pyledriver,TPB,Izzy Cox,etc.) but it is what it is.I’m not sure how a lot of people will react to him doing stoner/doom/sludge metal but as a fan of both outlaw country as well as metal,particularly the genre mentioned above I am absolutely floored about it.

    I agree 100% with the first part because Hank III writes music that’s easy to relate and always gets you through the rough times,with DRRP being the main one for me.

    Granted,I’m a little disappointed that no new country or Hellbilly material has been released but I’m hoping he’ll get something good out soon.

    As far as Shooter goes,I respect what he’s doing with the whole XXX thing but it feels contrived.It’s like “Hey,lemme jump on the petition bandwagon!” instead of doing something your heart and soul is in.I’ve never been one to jump on bandwagons and I’m sure as hell not jumping on the XXX one.But the website does appear to be supporting bands/artists I am a huge fan of like The GDG,Bob Wayne & the O.C.,Jayke,Scott H. Biram,Rachel Brooke,North Mississippi All Stars,etc. so I can see how it’s good there but once again,it doesn’t seem genuine.And the fact that The Rebel Within album cover is featured on the home page is odd.I’m sure Shooter isn’t oblvious to the objections Hank has raised about him and i can’t figure out if doing that is done out of irony,some sort of jab at III or because Shooter doesn’t care about that and recognizes good music when he hears it.
    And as far as Shooter’s music goes,I can’t get in to it.He’s yet to release anything I like.
    Maybe some it is a personal bias due to his painfully unrealistic portrayal of Waylon in Walk the Line,but I digress.I still just don’t like his music.

    You kick ass,Trigger Man.Keep fightin the fight!

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    • Just to clarify, Hank III did not play SXSW. It was advertised that he would with Arson Anthem, but he did not make the trip. No explanation was given, and nobody was notified unless they saw it on this site.

      Thanks for reading man!

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    • Using these album images does make it appear Bob Wayne and other bands support XXX, but I don’t believe Bob Wayne and Hank III are “part of the scene” with XXX.

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  • I know this response is out of date, and also I didn’t bother reading the others, but wtf?? 3 is more relevant now than ever. I’m not a Shooter fan myself, and I don’t know whom 3 kicked off or why, but 3 is a professional. Drugging and Drinking overindulgence?? Check Mike Curbs history on drug and drink reference in music… he is hugely opposed to it… I’ve seen 3 singing songs about smoking pot while refusing to do it onstage saying “maybe later I’m working now”.. Think maybe he said a lot of shit to ruffle a lot of feathers? BTW every other name involved in XXX I heard about through 3 or someone else I heard of through 3.. I’m not getting too involved with this I just wanted to say you’ve got to take a step back and realize you’re getting too caught up in something that means nothing. 3 has been true from day 1 to his vision, and will continue to do so. I look forward to seeing him play again and whoever may be opening for him.. For the record, I’m not a fan of most of the bands he’s helped along the way anyhow.

    “Movements are systems, and systems kill.”
    -Crass

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