A Letter to the Saving Country Music Reader
First off I want to apologize to everyone about all the drama that has been happening in some of the comments sections of recent articles. When I started this website, I did so with a strict philosophy that everybody should have a place to voice their opinion, and that discussion and disagreement when done with respect can contribute to a healthy community. I have always encouraged criticism and dissenting viewpoints. I have also always had a strict distaste for censorship in any and all forms. So if I or anyone else posted something on the site, it was there for eternity.
This approach created one of the most vibrant, strong, and interactive online communities that could be found in ALL of music. I believe, and still believe, that the best thing about this site is the comments sections, where people discuss and argue points, and problems are solved. But as we grow, the readership has broadened and attracted people that do not appreciate or understand the core values that SCM was founded on.
I also feel the need to set the record straight that this was not happening in the comments of ALL the articles, or even a majority of the articles. For three years there were very few problems at all. It was the advent of the Shooter Jennings XXX Movement when it seemed like the drama rose to a bellicose level; not to blame XXX entirely or solely, but its launching was the big event that lead us to where we are today, which is a website that at times seems like it is filled with drama and drama only. But again, it is far from common. The article where T Junior of the Honky Tonk Hustlas went on a rampage was the latest, but have to go back over two weeks to the Izzy Cox article before you find another. There were 13 articles between the two that were just fine.
But this brings up another problem facing Saving Country Music: the fact that most readers now see the site through the filter of Facebook. On Facebook, you are more likely to see the things that are getting more attention from other people and your friends. So if you don’t come to SCM directly, but rely on links that show up in your FB feed, you are likely to only see the drama. The mild-mannered album review with 7 comments is less likely to show up than the anti-pop country rant whose 150+ comments have descended into written warfare. If you never click on the “Home” button and zoom out to ALL the SCM content, you may think that is all SCM is, and that is why I see the comments like “All the articles now are just filled with drama!” or “All you ever do is write about “whiskey, devil, cocaine” bands!” or “All you do is bash pop country!” I don’t do all of anything.
That is why I encourage people to come to the site itself, or follow me on Twitter so you can get a real-time news feed of ALL the articles, instead of Facebook deciding what you will see. We will also be launching the Newsletter this week, which will also help folks stay connected. We have also just added a news feed, so even more news can be covered on the site, and people do not need to rely on Facebook to stay connected on the music side of life, and the chat room is now available from the main page and has been updated with features, and can be utilized by anybody and everybody 24/7.
I take some responsibility too for the SCM comments sections getting out of hand. That is why, unfortunately, I have reversed my policy on comments. This is a not victory for anybody. We all lose with this. But I’d rather lose a few inflammatory comments and commenters than a site that helps promote the music we all love, and keep in check the music and industry that we don’t. I have drafted a set of comment rules that people will be expected to follow. Again, because 90% of the articles and comments are fine, most will likely never have to worry about them. But because they are set in stone, nobody can complain (though I’m sure some still will) that I am purposely suppressing people’s opinions, or other information that might reflect poorly on what I have said or on my positions, by abjectly deleting or editing comments.
As for XXX, I have not changed my stance on it, I am STILL neither for or against it, but topics like XXX, and others that have been hotbeds of drama, will likely be avoided for the most part moving forward. I hope XXX all the best, and I don’t rule out in the future working with XXX either behind the scenes, or out front. But for now, I must focus on putting my own house back in order, and my top priority is the Saving Country Music community that I spent 3 years constructing.
I hope the best for Adam Sheets of No Depression (the co-founder of XXX) but we have both agreed that he and the SCM community are like oil and water, and that it would be best for all if he avoid commenting on the site unless necessary. Opponents of XXX like Keith at Hillgrass Bluebilly and Autopsy IV at ninebullets.net have called Shooter Jennings an anchor and a burden on XXX. I could not disagree more. I have been nothing but impressed by Shooter’s leadership, his willingness to be open-minded and work with people, his accessibility, and at times his cool head and wisdom. And no, this is not because I am charmed that a semi-celebrity is on my site making comments. I also still think at the core, XXX is a good idea.
The problem for me with XXX has been execution. The road to hell is paved with good intentions, and the drama surrounding XXX has put Saving Country Music through a lot of hell over the past few months. One philosophy SCM was founded on was that it is about people first, them music. Music is just the excuse, the medium to talk about the challenges of living a principled life in the modern world, and about community. Read the quote at the top of the page. Our fight is music, but those same values can be taken to food, politics, culture, whatever.
T Junior and the Honky Tonk Hustlas were (and are) touted by XXX. Their album is still at the top of the XXX page (or was when I posted this). This type of “throw the barn door wide” approach of letting anybody who wants to call themselves XXX, be XXX, cannot be the approach of Saving Country Music. I throw stones at huge record labels, mega-pop franchises, and big institutions, many of which have teams of lawyers on retainer, some of which visit SCM regularly, looking for a chink in the armor, or an excuse to discredit what we do here. We owe it to the artists we fight for to keep our nose clean, and not only to represent better music, but better people as well; to sling our mud, but always stay on the moral high ground by respecting everyone at a basic human level, and never descending into base name calling simply to vent anger.
We are only as strong as our weakest link, so the music touted here truly must be the best, and the musicians must be good people as well.
I know that I am disliked by many, and I swear I mean it when I say I don’t care. My job is to be as honest with everyone as I absolutely can when it concerns my opinion about music, and use whatever wit I might possess to help fight our fights. You don’t have to like me or even respect me, but please understand, I do not get paid to do this. I have written over 1000+ blogs now that each take on average 2 1/2 hours to write, and any money the site generates goes directly to the webmaster, because he has kids and I don’t. And before you get with your buddies on Facebook and decide who I am on a personal level, appreciate that there has never been an assumption made about me that has been right yet. Nobody knows who I am, and I like to keep it that way, because it’s not about me, it’s about the music.
And before you make any hard and fast judgements about “agendas” I have with who I cover or the direction of this site, please make yourself come up with a motive. Ask yourself “Why would someone born and raised in the South, be going out of his way to purposely avoid promoting bands from the South?” Especially when my Album of the Year for 2010 was from a man from Chattanooga, TN. My nose follows the best music. Or at least it tries to. I am not perfect, and I am far from being omniscient enough to know everything out there. And I make mistakes every day. But I try my best.
What I cover on the site has to do with what I am passionate about on any given day. It must be, because I don’t get paid to do this. And on average I spend 50-60 hours a week in one way or another on Saving Country Music, many times on things people never see. I have honestly probably spent 50-60 hours just on behind-the-scenes XXX scene control since it was announced.
Lastly I just want to give a huge thanks to all the readers. Your eyeballs on this site, and your ears listening to all the great stuff going down on SCM LIVE is what keeps me going. Some people have stuck through all the drama, some haven’t. And I hope the few that haven’t will give it another chance, and trust that we as a community can keep things more respectful, without drowning the fire and the wit and the passion that makes us all entertained and enlightened by reading what others have to say.
April 6, 2011 @ 10:50 am
As I told you on the phone, I plan to stay off of these comments sections for the most part. But I just wanted to say thank you for this great, fair article. We’re all warriors on the front lines of the same war against shitty music and I’m proud to call you an ally in that fight.
April 6, 2011 @ 4:16 pm
Sad to see you go Adam, for the most part I really enjoyed hearing your thoughts on the music. I have a lot learn from folks like yourself and Triggerman. Is it a possibility for you to continue commenting and contributing but maybe just not not mention … erm, you know what 😉
April 6, 2011 @ 8:20 pm
I’ll continue reading regardless and, if it’s ok with Trigger and y’all, I’m more than happy to continue commenting. Just expect me to stay out of discussions like this one unless it’s absolutely necessary.
April 7, 2011 @ 4:28 am
Nice! Sounds like a good compromise to me Adam, unless Saving Country Music’s fearless leader/benevolent dictator has a problem with it. Come on ‘Loveable Huggable’ Triggerman, you don’t have a problem with that do you? I swear to never mention the unmentionable again and maybe Adam can resist the temptation also?
Let’s just keep it on topic – ie the band being reviewed/profiled. Unless it involves Def Leppard. I can’t promise I can do that if it involves my favourite hair metal band of all time.
If I may, I would suggest we all just stay present to the article posted and comment accordingly. I am guilty for deviating waaaaaaay off topic at times and hijacking the comments. For that, I apologise Trigger Man. Really not trying to start any shit here as it sounds like you and Adam worked out a mutually benefiting compromise. If I am stepping on any toes, I apologise.
And Adam, for the record I also intend staying out of discussions such as this in the future. InfactI reckon most of us on this site intend doing so. Let’s get back to the job at hand. Saving Country Music anyone??
April 7, 2011 @ 10:00 am
I don’t really envision a lot of flack or deleted comments if people get off-topic. The main concern is that if someone either uses and article to 1) reignite a heated discussion from another article whose comments have been closed. 2) Use the comments section as a bullhorn for an agenda or topic that does not relate to the original article. Tangents in articles that lead to discussions on the use of spandex in 80’s hair bands are fine, and cool and interesting in their own right. And XXX can be brought up, it’s just the incessant “You’re wrong” “No YOU’RE wrong” back and forths don’t do anything for anybody, and even those will be tolerated until they reach the stupid point.
April 6, 2011 @ 10:57 am
It’s music.
It’s not a war.
We’re fans, not soldiers.
This shit is getting stupid.
April 7, 2011 @ 12:16 pm
I’m sorry but I feel it is a war of sorts. We must fight against third for a word, corrupt Music Row practices, greed, autotuning, idoltry, pop country debauchery and Trashville. Pick your battles and stand your ground. If you give in, you gave up.
Saving country music takes work.
April 7, 2011 @ 9:47 pm
I agree whole heartedley…but don’t kill the messenger…I think, is what Triggerman is trying to say. Lets keep the personal animosity to reviewing the music…not the contributor of opinion?
April 6, 2011 @ 10:59 am
Huge thanks to you, Triggerman, for your efforts and conviction to keep at it amidst the drama. Every article is greatly appreciated and I respect your shared opinions as well as all the others who comment. I feel this is a great COMMUNITY…and as Adam said, we are all allies here. So let’s all remember to concentrate our efforts alongside those who align themselves as a part of this community…even when we don’t agree 100% all the time.
April 6, 2011 @ 11:02 am
I just love censorship!! Have some balls and let people express their feelings. All i got out of this is you are going to censor what you don’t like for which that makes it go back to the “This is my Opinion and my Opinion only board”. I will still read your reviews and write ups but i do believe i will no longer post my true feelings anymore since it will be deleted before the masses can read it.
April 6, 2011 @ 11:09 am
As long as your comments follow the rules, they will not be deleted. But if you think that this is the “My Opinion and My Opinion Only Board”, it is not worth my breath trying to convince you otherwise. You might be surprised to learn that I REALLY value your opinions specifically Repo, and it sickens me that I have to delete anybody’s comment. But the rule is to not post on other articles about articles that have already been closed, and the rule is the rule. People were also deleted that came to defend me.
And this is not a “board” anyway. This is a news site. We post articles. I give a platform for people to voice those opinions about those specific articles in a comments section. I also have a message board. You can go there and post and bitch all you want without fear of being censored.
But the people have spoken, and they have said they are tired of the bullshit. If we can’t make this work, there is only one other solution.
April 6, 2011 @ 11:22 am
Dude if you had deleted everyone in that section that was off topic then i wouldn’t be giving you crap. The only reason i posted there was because others also did . I still see their comments that are not on topic but praise you are still up. You deleting my first post is what set me off with the second post. Board, News whatever the fuck. You know what I’m talking about. Smart ass comments like that is what turns people off and make them feel that their opinion doesn’t matter.
April 6, 2011 @ 11:46 am
I deleted comments from Denise, and two other people as well. I just went deleted two more. There’s there’s now 5 people who have been censored. Is that good enough? Or should we censor some more?
I’m not going to get involved in this, “you deleted my comment but not his” bullsh. We’re going to have to be adults here.
As much as you think is is bullshit that your comments were deleted, I think it is even more bullshit, trust me. I am trying to do the best I can. The next step is the delete button on ALL comments, along with the articles and the site itself. I already promised myself twice in as many weeks I was shutting the site down. Third time will be the charm.
Let’s try to make this work. Work with me man.
And for the record, if I am all about censoring people who disagree with me, why are all of T Junior’s comments still up there?
April 6, 2011 @ 12:16 pm
Yes that is good enough for me. I was just trying to point out my view. If you say your going to censor those off topic then you need to censor all that are off topic just not one person which so happened to be me. I have no problems with you doing what you have to do but if your gonna do it you need to do it fairly.Being fair is being adult as you say we all need to be.I have no beef with you or i do not dislike you in any way but the second comment was directed in the heat of the moment as you have done yourself on the HTH review. I’m done with it now. I looking forward reading more reviews and news on upcoming artist in the near future.
April 6, 2011 @ 11:05 am
Well said. If it’s not ultimately about the music, what’s the point?
April 6, 2011 @ 11:10 am
I haven’t commented before. I really just like reading the articles. But I wanted to drop by and say I check the site every day. Definitely one of my favorites. I really appreciate what you do.
April 6, 2011 @ 12:46 pm
Are you actually from Baltimore? Do you play any instruments?
April 6, 2011 @ 11:14 am
WOW man, that must have been a hard pill to swallow, that impressed me a lot…..sometimes in life we must take a step back to get further…..that’s what i’m seeing, now after that big concession of your i hope that dust will settle…and that everyone will be ready to move forward…..we must spend our time and energy promoting the music that we love and not spend one ounce of energy ripping each other appart. And just, to tell an happy story to say that this site isn’t worthless….about 1 year and half ago….i didn’t know anything about this underground scene exept for maybe hank III which bring me here….with this site i discovered maybe 20 bands that i love and many more that i need to check out…..now i’m almost ready to go to muddy roots 2011….i met nice folks…without SCM ….i wouldn’T know almost anything i discovered about independant country, roots music….so keep on going trigg it’s truely appreciated
April 6, 2011 @ 11:27 am
Also, to expand. I am not “against XXX” as an idea. I am against in it’s “you’re with us or against us execution” and I do think the name is dumb BUT as a fan of the music, I have to support anything that will bring it to more ears. Shooter has a radio show and he’s promoting the music and that, at it’s core, I support fully. I am very opposed to the idea of trying to commodify the music and, in a way, that’s what I feel this entire XXX thing is and part of me is, admittedly, bitter that all of a sudden Adam and Shooter have come sauntering into the bar with, what feels like, this arrogant attitude like they’ve swept in and did everyone a favor. I got into this with Kyle a little when I was out in Austin but some of us have been busting knuckles and booking shows that only 10 people show up for in this scene they named XXX for years and while we appreciate anyone who wants to help these bands don’t act like you’re doing us a favor. Ninebullets is a labor of love. There are no ads and the site gets paid for monthly out of the wife and I’s checking account, I do the radio show for free and the pay for my own podcast hosting in the hopes that one day….these bands I like will pop up on the Grammy’s, or I’ll hear their songs on Eastbound and Down and maybe they won’t have to worry about their rent for once. There are 100s of other sites just like it and I imagine Triggerman tells a similar story. We are fans, doing what we can to help the bands we love. For some reason (and it might just be my perception) XXX doesn’t feel that way.
But you know. That’s just my opinion and I am about to start rambling away on some shit nobody probably cares about. If anyone wishes to discuss it further with me feel free to email me: autopsy4@gmail.com
April 6, 2011 @ 12:32 pm
Something I’m not quite understanding is the alleged “with us or against us” accusation regarding XXX (Trigger, hope this don’t constitute “off topic”). Maybe I’m missing something integral, but wouldn’t it seem to be the case that anything that shines a spotlight on this music is a good thing?
April 6, 2011 @ 1:59 pm
it’s a sentiment I notice a lot in the XXX twitter groups.
April 6, 2011 @ 7:33 pm
Autopsy IV
There are not XXX twitter groups. There is one group named #xxxoutlawshittwittergang. It is only meant as fun, and nothing else at all. If I am missing any other XXX twitter groups please tell me.
I am not trying to call you out, but there is a good chance you are either mistaken in youre comment about “several XXX twitter groups/with us or against us, or simply not telling the truth.
April 7, 2011 @ 5:38 am
How’s the dude constantly dropping the “add xxx to your profile or I’m unfollowing you”?
April 7, 2011 @ 4:01 pm
Thats one guy who took that name. He doesnt represent anyone but himself. And I should correct myself, there is no #xxxoutlawshittwittergang That name is that guys username, sorry got myself mixed up. There is a #outlawshittwittergangthough. No XXX twitter groups that I know of.
I could see how you might have saw that guys name, and his tweets and got that impression.
April 6, 2011 @ 11:34 am
Bravo Triggerman, that was elegantly written. While I’ve always respected your articles, and point of views, after reading this article my respect for you has just increased significantly.
April 6, 2011 @ 2:55 pm
Please don’t call me elegant. I’m trying to keep my reputation as an arrogant asshole in place.
🙂
April 6, 2011 @ 3:37 pm
Why don’t you just call yourself an elegant arrogant asshole and make ev’rybody happy? I think the Triggerman can handle double adjectives every now and again. I respect your decision and understand you have to be fair and a moderator too. You have to have several hats hangin’ on the rack at times.
I admire the hard work you do. This is the ONLY place you can get intelligent, hard pressed and relevant music discussion.
Thank you much 😉
April 6, 2011 @ 3:42 pm
Maybe you could just say you’re an elegant arrogant ass and make ev’rybody happy? 😉
Really I respect your decision and understand you have to be fair and a moderator. Actually, you have several hats hangin’ on the rack. I do admire the hard work you’ve put into this over the years. This is the ONLY place where you can find intelligent, hardpressed and relevent music discussion.
Thank you much!
April 6, 2011 @ 3:43 pm
Sorry. I stuttered.
April 6, 2011 @ 11:38 am
Triggerman,
I really enjoy this website. I’m glad that you are going to press forward. I have discovered a lot of good music by checking out your reviews. Even if I didn’t agree or like the music, it is nice to get exposed to something new in country music. You are doing fans of “REAL” country music a great service.
Thanks
April 6, 2011 @ 11:46 am
This is the best website for great music. That’s it ……..that’s all. The drama undermines what this site is about and that’s too bad. I’ll keep coming no matter what.
April 6, 2011 @ 11:47 am
I know I don’t post comments on here anymore, but I do still come by and read the articles (thank you Twitter, it is useful for something), and I wanted to say I have so much respect for you and this website. What it has accomplished, and what it will accomplish is so amazing.
Thank you!
April 6, 2011 @ 12:13 pm
I haven’t been around here long but I just want to thank you Trigger for this site. It’s a great tool for those of us in areas of the country where “real” country music is not accessible. Without the internet and sites like SCM I’d be stuck listening to Rascall Flatts and Danny Gokey. Thanks again TriggerMan and keep up the fight!
April 6, 2011 @ 12:35 pm
I dig your site as well Trig. I don’t comment too often, but pay plenty of attention to it. One quote I like from this letter is: “I know that I am disliked by many, and I swear I mean it when I say I don”™t care. My job is to be as honest with everyone as I absolutely can when it concerns my opinion about music, and use whatever wit I might possess to help fight our fights. You don”™t have to like me or even respect me, but please understand, I do not get paid to do this.” Stand by your convictions. It shows great character. In the face of adversity, and bullshit where you are ready to just say “FUCK IT”, stand tall my friend. Many of us here are in the same boat. We do it for the music….the people….the passion…..NOT the money. Promoting and putting on shows has cost me thousands of dollars over the years, but I wouldn’t have it any other way. Any money that I come out ahead of on a show, I give to the musician anyway, and I think that is what it is about. That is the goal. I think the goal has been overshadowed by far too much bullshit, and we need to get back to the basics. Great fucking music, that will change folks’ lives.
Carry on my friend.
-Weber
April 6, 2011 @ 12:43 pm
Alright, this sounds good and fair enough to me. I hated seeing what I saw on this sight on Sunday. At first I wanted to blame T. Junior, then Triggerman, and then I realized that the whole argument was just stupid. Anyways, thanks for a great sight Triggerman.
PS- Baltimore Pat, are you actually from Baltimore? Let me know.
April 7, 2011 @ 9:30 am
Yeah, I’m in Baltimore. Patrick King on Facebook.
April 6, 2011 @ 1:46 pm
I fucking hate all this drama going on lately people are ruining the one thing we all should be enjoying and that’s the great music out there. I have been following this website for years now and helping promote it because I feel it’s one the best places around to find out about new artists and get caught up on what my favorites are doing lately.I don’t know Triggerman on a real personal level so I can’t say anything about his character other than I know he is true fan of music and that’s good enough for me. Over the years I have been turned on to some great music because of this site from the blogs he posts to comments from other readers. I would hate to see that all ruined because a few people just feel the need to see who has a bigger cock or whatever their damn problem is. In the end it is his site and he can do with as he pleases but, I hate to see it become less interactive. That’d be a damn shame.
April 6, 2011 @ 2:06 pm
I have been visiting this site for about a yaer now and because of it I have learned of alot of really cool music that I otherwise would likely never have heard of. Thanks for that. I really enjoyed reading all the comments in the LLD/HTH promo article on Sunday. I thought it was great! I can definitely see where if that shit were continued to be allowed that this site would quickly turn to shit – but I will miss it none-the-less. To me it is crazy that there is all this in-fighting between people who’s passions are the same
April 6, 2011 @ 2:14 pm
Always had since I found out about on My Space and later here on SCM great respect for what you do and writing all the blogs, doing interviews and all…though I can’t possibly follow it all, it has grown into a huge information site for all we are interested in with all the links, I think it is wonderful, you do great job and you can feel you do it for the love of music you have.
Proud to be one of your followers wherever from My Space to Twitter, from Facebook to here.
April 7, 2011 @ 10:00 pm
(off topic), Hi Monica!…it’s a pleasure to, um…read you. Just a bump in the road but The Triggermans got a handle on it. I’m glad to see ya on here.
April 6, 2011 @ 2:23 pm
As the webmaster for this site, I would just like to say that I also really don’t care if some people dislike Triggerman. 🙂
I am 100% sure this site has and will continue to have a positive impact.
April 6, 2011 @ 2:38 pm
Thanks trig for adressing the issue, as a loong time reader of this site and one of a small number of people in san diego who are trying to push the music for ward i love this site and talk to people and refer them to SCM on an almost daily basis. I have found out about many great bands forom this site and i will tell you right now for sure that shit has been gettin out of hand. WE should not be fight or trying to put a label on our music rather we should all stand as one unified group against what Nashville has don to the the music we love and cherish. I agree triple XXX has caused a schism simply by trying to put a label to a movement, and i appreciate adam and shooters work, autopsy work, and yours but i digress. Thank you for adressing the situatuin which was causing the comments to look more like a comments section on youtube than a group of like minded people sharing in our passion for music. So in parting i say down with nashville, up with real country and that’s all.
Kenneth Ray Schmidgall
April 6, 2011 @ 2:47 pm
I love what you do Triggerman. I hope it is here to stay. Keep up the awesome work!
April 6, 2011 @ 2:52 pm
SCM originally caught my eye on the myspace, as freeHankIII. I had recently seen some bands come through town (J.B. Beverley & the Wayward Drifters, .357 String Band, Rachel Brooke), and noticed they were promoted here too. I’ve been following Triggerman’s articles for 2 1/2 years now, and have discovered SO many other bands thanks to this site. In addition, I’ve made many, many friends who are also into this music, directly through this site. Not to mention that for a guy in Montana, that is a bit off the beaten track for touring bands, the SCM live events have been amazing! Without saying anything about all the drama, it would be a real shame to lose this site from where I’m sitting.
April 6, 2011 @ 3:06 pm
Sure thing, it is your house after all! Sorry to hear there were some things that slowed ya down. Glad you are back on track!
April 6, 2011 @ 3:20 pm
I think I’m pretty much in agreement with most everybody here. I come to this site, discover new bands, listen to them, and then try to spread the word to my friends about them. Anybody that plays the music I like and the people that take the time to promote them has my respect, whether it is on this site or not, all of it is fine by me. Keep up the Good work Trigger Man.
April 6, 2011 @ 3:23 pm
I’ve kind of wished you had turned comments off completely a while ago. As for not letting anyone know who you are.. Eh.. Whatever .. I just hope you don’t think it adds to the great mystique of the great Triggerman.. 🙂 JK.. Seriously though maybe it could add a little bit of credibility to your opinion. As of right now your just another dude who may or may not write behind a pen name that decided to start doing this 3+ years ago. I know you don’t care what people think of you but I am just making a point. Maybe the naysayers will be hushed.. Maybe the people who are in bands or that have been around this environment for a long time will respect what you’re saying a bit more or at least your skeptics may. If you can’t repect the source of what your are reading then really how effective are you at getting your point across? I could really care less honestly but I’m just throwing out some unsolicited ideas because clearly people are questioning you. Keep this place real man, Keep it grounded and remember you’re dealing with public here.. Sometimes the drunken and disorderly public sittin’ behind a computer screen.
April 6, 2011 @ 3:42 pm
Well said Misfit!!!
April 6, 2011 @ 4:13 pm
fwiw: it ain’t like the dude is “hiding”. I mean, I met him in person.
April 6, 2011 @ 4:38 pm
Its not about meeting the dude its about lending himself a bit credibility.. I dont see myself in Austin anytime soon anyhow and thats wasn’t my point. I was simply throwing out a few ideas that may help him and this cause..
April 6, 2011 @ 4:20 pm
Actually I have trying to do some stuff aside from the website that might lend to my credibility as you say, and I have just been completely sidetracked by the XXX stuff over the past few months. I do hope that now I have tried to hit the reset button that I can get some of those things done.
If I thought it would help anything to post a bunch of pictures of myself or open up that my favorite color is blue, I would probably do it. My full name is out there in numerous places if anybody wants it. It is not as much about mystique as it is about making people that want to use stuff against me work a little harder.
April 6, 2011 @ 4:39 pm
i thought this lent to your credibility…
http://youtu.be/t6w7JtOacCs
April 6, 2011 @ 4:42 pm
It wasnt about pictures of you and your stuffed koala bear collection.. and honestly dude.. who cares about the people who want to use things against you.. again.. I could care less.. Just trying to throw some ideas out there that may help..
April 6, 2011 @ 4:48 pm
Misfit! I can’t believe you brought up his stuffed koala collection. I thought you’d destroyed all those photos?
April 6, 2011 @ 4:53 pm
I did.. But he keeps texting them to me.. I may have to post them somewhere so that only people who have to work very hard to find him can then use the pictures against him..
April 6, 2011 @ 5:01 pm
It’s like some weird compulsion he has, he sends them to me too. Last I heard he was attending ‘Plushophilias Anonymous’ but I think he’s fallen off the wagon. Again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plushophilia
Are we off topic? Doop.
April 6, 2011 @ 5:00 pm
No, I hear you Misfit and I think it is a very good point, specifically on the “well you don’t play music, never written a song so you can’t criticize it” front. I think that is a dumb argument, but it also just isn’t true. If I was a badass musician, I probably would be doing that and not this. But the simple fact is I do know a little bit about music, including from the business side and the touring side from direct experience.
April 6, 2011 @ 7:19 pm
That argument holds no water anyways. If you go McDonalds and get a deep fried rat with your french fries; does the fact that you’re not a professional cook, bar you from complaining?_____ I’m glad to see you’re gonna stick it out man.
April 6, 2011 @ 3:44 pm
Yeah, I come here to read the articles. I haven’t really been checking out the “comments” for sometime. Keep up the good work Trigg!
April 6, 2011 @ 4:43 pm
The only ‘Comment Rule’ that concerns me is the comment hijacking. I remember the good ole days when in one article we all somehow got way off topic and were posting up videos of bad hair metal bands. Does that mean if something goes way off on an amusing tangent it will be deleted now? I guess I’m not allowed to bring up your Taylor Swift tattoo again either?
I am glad you wrote this Triggerman. I have been seriously disturbed by the verbal abuse that has been bandied around in the comments section. There are many many sites/message boards that clearly state offensive or abusive comments will not be tolerated and I am glad you are adopting that stance here too. That lowest common denominator attitude is insulting to me as a reader and insulting to what you are trying to do here. I have been sad to see some of the old readers disappear and like you I hope they will return.
Thank you so much for the stellar, elegant, articulate, witty and brilliantly researched articles. SCM.com is the only music site I frequent. I only have two ongoing lists in my house: one is my grocery list and the other is a piece of paper I jot down all the CD’s I wish to buy that you have reviewed.
I remember finding SCM.com on myspace and thought the articles were interesting, but I was even more fascinated to see that you had an ongoing dialogue with your readers in the comments section. Who does that? Nobody, just you! It’s very cool and keeps me coming back.
It sounds like you felt you needed to justify yourself and what you are doing here/not doing in the article above. That sucks – you don’t! Please don’t ever feel you need to justify yourself Triggerman. You are doing country music and us all a fantastic service doing exactly what you are doing.
PS I like your new jeans!
April 6, 2011 @ 7:58 pm
Carla,
For a comment to be removed, it has to be distasteful or inflammatory first. Hair band talk will probably not qualify. I really wouldn’t worry about it. The only exception with that rule is if i close off a comment section, and then people go to another blog. That is what happened with Repo’s comments and a bunch of others.
There is that elegant word again in association with me.
April 7, 2011 @ 4:43 am
What’s so hilarious about that comment is most people would perceive it as a huge compliment. I can only dream of being referred to as such so prepare yourself for the abusive onslaught: ELEGANT ELEGANT ELEGANT. Go on, delete me. I dare you YOU FUC*EN ELEG*NT WR*TER!
April 7, 2011 @ 7:40 pm
Carla be nice. If the man doesn’t want to be known as elegant, we can come up with some different adjectives. 🙂
April 8, 2011 @ 7:22 am
How about eloquent? Especially on those inspired rants. Eloquent profanity, as Lowell George sang in Roll Um Easy.
April 7, 2011 @ 6:21 pm
Excellent site. Great writing. I check it out most days. Ironically enough, I first heard of the site in the aftermath of the JTE incident after seeing some comments of yours over at No Depression. Found my way to the website, read a few of the articles, and having been coming back ever since. And I think the new rules are very reasonable.
April 6, 2011 @ 5:25 pm
I know Facebook sucks in many ways…but I am thankful you were on there or I never would have found this site.I hope you stay on I think it would be a benifit more than a liability.
April 8, 2011 @ 11:43 am
Hey- Really liked your SCM theme song entry!
April 6, 2011 @ 5:52 pm
This site rules. From all the great music I learn about, your hosting the Outlaw Radio episodes and now airing them live.. etc etc.
Keep up the good work Trigg. Don’t let anyone give you any guff. \m/
April 6, 2011 @ 6:17 pm
I agree.
April 6, 2011 @ 8:42 pm
As a honky tonker writing songs and booking shows in a world dominated by pop-rock-country horse hockey I fully appreciate this site. I understand you gotta do what is neccesary to perpetuate the cause. Thank you.
April 6, 2011 @ 10:41 pm
I like this website. It is one of the best places to find news on artists like this. I wanted to address a few big things that bother me about this site having to do what it did.
I’m super bummed by this article and some of the stuff I read that seems to be so against everything that has been going good for the artists that play the music featured on here. For once there started to be a ton of steam both positive and negative in a way I had never seen before because the community is growing. People were talking in masses and it was great to see all that energy, excitement, and anger build a passion up in people to discuss this music.
I’m bummed that Adam Sheets can no longer post here. I’ve talked to Adam on numerous occasions as of lately and he recently wrote an article for the next issue of the magazine. He has been a really cool dude to our magazine and site and I really enjoyed his discussion in these comments.
I’m bummed that Triggerman has to try and distant himself with XXX. He ultimately can’t do this because of the way the scene is woven together. Triggerman likes Rachel Brooke. Rachel Brooke is associated with XXX. So fans of the site will ultimately make connections no matter what. He shouldn’t take a hit for anything related to XXX.
Lastly, I bummed that people and artists look at sites like this, Give Me My XXX, No Depression, Sound In The Signals, etc… and want to say we aren’t being honest critics of music. Since becoming associated with XXX I have had countless artists contact me and I have been willing to help every single act with an interview, review, or feature. I will continue to do just that.
Sites like this and mine are here to help. You can’t help everyone and ultimately you don’t like everything. If you feel like you aren’t getting a fair shake contact the sites in a private manner not in a public forum. Help make it easy for people to help you. It’s hard to like anyone after they’ve reamed you for everyone on their website to read.
Good piece Triggerman. Stinks you’ll have to censor stuff. Call it growing pains haha. I’ll always support and appreciate your site.
April 7, 2011 @ 7:42 am
“Sites like this and mine are here to help. You can”™t help everyone and ultimately you don”™t like everything.”
Well said..You’re never going to make everyone happy and that goes for both readers and artists..
April 7, 2011 @ 10:56 am
“I”™m super bummed by this article and some of the stuff I read that seems to be so against everything that has been going good for the artists that play the music featured on here.”
I’m not sure if I agree with that. Some artists have benefited from XXX, some have not. But even the benefits so far have been measured. I think the potential of XXX at this point is much greater than the results so far. And I think we also have to separate what has been results from Farmageddon, and results from XXX.
My job is to always try to zoom out and look at the big picture. And when I do that, I see a tremendous amount of division. I also see very little true growth. I can understand that if someone is immersed in the XXX perspective, they would see massive amounts of growth and collaboration, but I see this at the expense of collaborations and entities that existed before XXX came around, including Saving Country Music. Things have been taken from SCM to create the growth of XXX, instead of the growth coming from outside sources that didn’t exist before.
“I”™m bummed that Adam Sheets can no longer post here.”
Well, he has posted on this very article twice. He is not banned from the site. But the simple fact is that his relationship with my community has been tenuous at best. It doesn’t mean that we’re right and he’s wrong, but it is causing unneeded friction.
“I”™m bummed that Triggerman has to try and distant himself with XXX. He ultimately can”™t do this because of the way the scene is woven together.”
I am not part of a scene, I am part of a movement. There may be “scenes” or “tribes” in that movement, but again, my job is to zoom out and see it all. The “movement” is woven together, and what I see happening with XXX is the unraveling that happens with reorganization. This has caused massive amounts of friction and tension, much of which has been behind-the-scenes to the credit of the entities being ripped apart, but it is unmistakeably there.
Please don’t take this the wrong way, but I take from your comments that you are only seeing XXX from one perspective, which is understandable. I am trying to see it from both, and having been doing this for over three years now, and on the losing side in many ways in this reorganization, I have no choice but to see the downside. XXX has directly effected the SCM community in adverse ways.
April 7, 2011 @ 2:04 pm
I can see what you are saying. I know not everyone can benefit from XXX. I know in all genres, scenes, and movements some people are left out. Some get more shine than others. I think ultimately no matter what is done somebody out there will have hurt feelings.
I’m not taking the XXX side or just seeing it from that perspective. We have also talked through e-mail and you have been great in helping us spread the word about the magazine and have been really supportive. I know you posted on twitter about our new issue and I really appreciate it. I sympathize with your situation in running this site and it being disrupted by something you are not 100% behind. The perspective that I have is because of things like XXX your site and others are getting new visitors and those visitors don’t have the committed relationship to your site or understand how things should work. I think it’s good to have opposing views as long as they are respectful and done in the right way.
I just like musical debate and opinion (again done in the right way). I think all the people that are working with artists like this to help them get better recognition just want to do that. It’s a weird situation for sure.
I guess I see it as not just a SCM VS XXX or whatever. I just think there are a lot of frustrated bands who don’t have a network and feel like no sites have been covering them for years. Now that there are a few other outlets (and they are becoming aware of outlets they may have previously existed they didn’t know about, etc…) they just don’t want to feel left out. To those artists I would say be respectful to people who run these sites, make quality music, send out e-mails and if site owners, radio stations, etc… like it we are here to help.
I have this view of people creating a network so good hard working artists have multiple resources. That’s my view alone and I don’t expect anyone to agree with it and I’m not trying to force it on anyone but that’s why I support the XXX site and I support your site. I guess I don’t want to feel like if I support one I can’t support the other and their is a line drawn in the sand.
April 7, 2011 @ 10:53 am
It’s good to see the site getting back to the music. That’s what brought me here to begin with. I’ve discovered so many great artist since coming here. Keep up the good work Triggerman. I’m looking for some new albums to spend my money on.
April 7, 2011 @ 2:57 pm
I love the site Triggerman. The slight change was needed to get rid of some distractions. I’ve been reading your stuff for about a year and I’ve never been more excited about the music I listen to in my whole life. Thanks for getting these great artists out there and keep up the good work.
April 7, 2011 @ 10:21 pm
Fantastic post, Thanks Triggerman! I have gotten a lot of great music and new bands from your info and am glad as hell you have decided to keep the site “up”!
April 8, 2011 @ 7:45 am
First off I’m sure this will get deleted but I’ve got to say it…Wow! Your ego has been stroked. Sure your site is informative and the reviews you use your precious time to do are great. The only reason why the article, that you referred to above about T.Jr, escalated to the point that it did is because you were putting words in his mouth and he doesn’t stand for that. For the record it was him taking up for himself. He might have gotten a little harsh but at least he’s honest (not saying you aren’t, gotta specify or you might take what I say personally) and a good person. You say “the music touted here truly must be the best, and the musicians must be good people as well”. Are you trying to imply that just because you got your feathers ruffled that now you don’t think T.Jr and HTH aren’t classified in the “best” out there and aren’t “good people” well sir there you are entirely wrong. T.Jr is one of the best and he has more integrity than most people have in their little pinky, but not everyone gets to see that side. Anyways, I know just by reading this and leaving a comment that I’m supporting you but I had to check it out.
April 8, 2011 @ 7:56 am
Of course if you weren’t referring to HTH when you made the statement about good music and musicians than nevermind.
April 8, 2011 @ 9:00 am
“The only reason why the article, that you referred to above about T.Jr, escalated to the point that it did is because you were putting words in his mouth and he doesn”™t stand for that. For the record it was him taking up for himself.”
Look, I’ll give you that I am an egotistical, arrogant bastard. But these were T. Junior’s words, posted on my site, with nothing instigated by me, without me doing anything more than posting an article promoting his album, and that can be verified by the time signatures on the comments themselves.
“There has indeed been an influx of cookie-cutter Midwestern bands that have recently popped up and are being salivated over for whatever reason by what what now claims to be the underground community.”
“We don”™t get invited to play these “new underground” festivals, even when they”™re practically in our own backyard. The deep-pocketed, rich kid newcomers who put on these festivals and start these new “record labels” care nothing for tradition.”
I don’t know T. Junior. I can only refer to his own words spoken unprovoked. But T Junior doesn’t know the people at Muddy Roots either, so how does he have the right to call him “deep-pocketed, rich kid newcomers”?
Look, I know that you are coming here to defend an artist that you believe in, and I respect that. What you and T. Junior have to understand was that I was sticking up for someone I believe in too. If someone had called T Junior a “deep-pocketed, rich kid newcomer” or ANY string of criticisms unprovoked based on assumptions, I would have stuck up for T Junior as well.
We all make mistakes. God knows I have made many. The difference between people is how we handle and own up to them. Many issues I have to battle over are filled with lots of gray area. In this case there is very little, if any. If T. Junior, or his fans want to try and defend his actions, it is only going to make it worse. This isn’t said with arrogance, this is said from compassion and wisdom.
It is not my words that people have a problem with. It is T Junior’s.
April 8, 2011 @ 11:00 am
I must be blind or something because no where in there do i see him directly call Muddy Roots or a “deep-pocketed,rich kid newcomer”. You are putting your own words in T. Juniors mouth. So does that mean that Muddy Roots is really a “deep-pocketed,rich kid newcomer”???
April 8, 2011 @ 1:23 pm
OK then who was he calling out? Name names. That’s the EXACT reason it is pussy to imply that you have a problem with someone, but not give them respect to say their names directly. I see this stuff all the time on Facebook as well, ALL the time, and it leads to problems just like these, where one person thinks your talking about them, and so does another.
If you’re going to assert the idea that there is a concerted effort against bands and artists specifically from the South, and say that it involves “festivals” and “blogs” and “labels”, and say that there are “cookie-cutter Midwestern bands” but you are not willing to say which ones, then as far as I’m concerned you’re naming them ALL, INCLUDING Muddy Roots, and EVERYBODY that falls under those categories.
If T. Junior wasn’t calling out Muddy Roots then I apologize. But until he explains who he WAS calling out, he’s calling them ALL out. And then explain what bands you mean, and what labels you mean. When you use someone’s name, it is a clean shot from a rifle. When you use ambiguous terms, it’s like a shotgun blast that hits innocent bystanders and creates a bunch of bullshit.
Say the name, or don’t say anything at all.
I’m glad someone finally gave me the puzzle piece to figure out part of what is REALLY going on here. But don’t beat around the bush. Let’s respect each other and hash this stuff out.
April 8, 2011 @ 1:48 pm
I agree that he should of named names but its not right to put words in his mouth even though i think thats what he wanted you to do.I also agree that it was a pussy move on his behalf not to name the names that his comments were directed about.I just needed a good explanation as to why you keep putting words in his mouth and i think you did a nice job at explaining that.
April 8, 2011 @ 1:58 pm
Oh and by the way i’m not trying to stir shit up. I think my point was a good one and i also think your answer was a good one and now i can understand why you did what you did a little better. I am now done with this subject and will no longer comment on it if its brought up again.
April 8, 2011 @ 9:46 pm
I’m glad I came back and read this but if you think about it, why should he name names like he said it would be slander. we’ve been through a lot of shit the past year and don’t need anymore. we were hoping that from here it would get better…which I still think it will. They are selling tons of merch daily so as Repohellbilly so eloquently put it “I am now done with this subject and will no longer comment on it if its brought up again”.
April 8, 2011 @ 12:58 pm
I’ll keep coming to this site for a long time, I hope. And make my comments from across the ocean. I’m not involved in the XXX thing, and I haven’t followed all the arguments that came up, I’m just glad I’m a frequent visitor of SCM, I keep discovering new artists, that even my cd-shop hasn’t heard of (they got me to listen to III’s Straight To Hell…), and I’m still figuring out the Triggerman.
But it’s your site, you draw the lines, while giving us plenty of opportunity to say what WE think. Just lopve this site
April 8, 2011 @ 1:42 pm
I am a fan of the XXX idea. It actually led me here, and this site and theirs http://www.givememyxxx.com . Have led me to new bands that I otherwise would have never heard of. I do wish you would allow Adam to return to the comments section. After all, the drama wasn’t his fault.
This is a great site, and it is youres. You have put in the time to make it so. You alone. So I respect you’re wishes, no more XXX here for the time being, and only in the future if you bring it up.
And one more thing though. Part of the reason that this site can be a lightening rod is because of its popularity. When you google an artist, if they have ever been covered here, saving country music comes up. It is so easy for someone who disagrees with you’re words or the words from commenters to hit and run. Have you ever considered requiring a sign up to the site to make comments?
April 8, 2011 @ 3:05 pm
Nathan38401, Adam still WILL be commenting here from what I can see. Read the comments that myself Adam and Trigger left under Adam’s comment – it’s the very first comment under the article.
April 8, 2011 @ 4:10 pm
Carla
Guess I should have read back through before commenting again . I read comments first day and decided to wait a few days before I commented with my thoughts on the article. Glad to hear it though.
April 8, 2011 @ 8:58 pm
I would like to see Adam Lee commenting as well.
April 10, 2011 @ 9:17 pm
stop apologizing for being “too harsh”. I wish your were harsher.
April 13, 2011 @ 6:20 pm
I have been visiting this website for the last few months and in general, I respect trigger man for his honest opinion but i do not always agree. Which is what is so great about this website.
here is my opinion. I am HUGE fan of this underground movement for the most part. Hank III used to make good music but his last two albums are shit in my opinion. III needs to come down out of that tree and find his roots. get rid of the metal and stick with what he does best. I have a lot of respect for the guy but he needs to at least keep the metal off of his country albums. My hope, now that he is free from Curb, is that he will make some real honky tonk music again.
HTH is a great group and they make good music. I do agree with some of what triggerman said in his review but like everyone else here, i think it got a little out of hand. I bought both of their albums and i would place HTH in my top five of artists making music today.
Lucky Tubb is the best out there right now. He has that bass that Waylon would be proud of and he has that voice that just sets the honky tonk mood. His live shows are like no other Ive seen. He is a great musician all the way around.
JB Beverley is the best song writer out there today. Sr. would be proud of him. He can put words together better than anyone can today…
Rachel Brooke has the most beautiful voice in the business. Mainstream or underground. nobody can hold a candle to her.. Her latest CD is The best album I have bought in a long time. Keep rockin the red bow rachel…
All in all, I respect Triggerman for this article and setting the record straight.
I also have a lot of respect for shooter for the XXX movement. These artists that we know and love lack only one thing. Exposure. I think SCM and XXX are positive and I hope it can stay that way…
April 13, 2011 @ 9:44 pm
I hear you Waymore on all points except two. JB Beverly also impressed me with his producing skills on It’s All Been Said. But I didn’t care too much for T.Junior’s rant without the gumption to back it up.
April 14, 2011 @ 7:18 pm
Well, if you listen to the new HTH cd, you can tell that they really put some time, money, and effort into it. I think even triggerman said that in his review. I really enjoy the new cd. I have honestly listened to it everyday since I purchased it. Im listening to it right now. My favorite song is “you cant go back”. It is a very well written song and a great story. Which is what its all about in my opinion. That is why I love Hank Sr. and Waylon and JB and Rachel and the list goes on..
Anyway, back to my point. I sympathize with T Junior in the fact that this cd is their baby. They took a long time raising it and making it the best it could be. The put it on the bus and sent it to school and it came home with a black eye. Any parent would be pissed.
I have never made an album or written a song or raised a kid for that matter. I think that they made a great album and I will continue to support HTH as long as they stick to their roots.
Id give anything to hear another Hank III country album. As far as HTH being a III cover band, I disagree. I think III could use some help from HTH…
April 15, 2011 @ 5:00 am
Ok. I get it. But I think most real country artists put their hardwork and heart into their music. If not they are in it for the wrong reasons. From the get go, T.Junior threw a hissy fit and why? Sometimes, your kid comes home with a black eye and you have to tell them, “You started it and this is what happens.” Never a good feeling.
Triggerman works hard too. Calling him names and threatening him (with a haha) was a little uncalled for. Triggerman was on his side. T. Junior wrongly assumed he wasn’t (I guess) since he was all about, “I”M T.JUNIOR” and this is what you get, and then never explaining why he had a hissy fit.
It is what you get. If HTH’s music is really that great, then it will speak for itself in the long haul of things.
I totally agreee with you on the storytelling! That is one important ingredient for a great song. But I don’t agree with you on Hank III. He might sound like Shelton, but Shelton has the legacy and has went through ten times more than what HTH has in the musical realm of things.
April 16, 2011 @ 9:16 pm
I used to be a HUGE fan of Shleton. In fact, I considered getting his portrait tattooed. I Just wish he would make a country album again.. thats all im saying.. if or when he does, ill be back at the front of the stage singing a long.. Last time I saw III was when Lucky opened the show. that was the best and worst show ive been to. Lucky stole the show…