Album Review – Benjamin Tod’s “Songs I Swore I’d Never Sing”
When the story is told about how country music was saved in the modern era, it’s the post-punk roots musicians who should be given deserved credit for coming into seed the revolution. They were the ones to pick up the traditions that were cast off by the mainstream. They were the first to move back onto Lower Broadway in Nashville when it was still a seedy place full of pawn shops and adult bookstores. They were the first to cultivate grassroots networks autonomous of Music Row in Nashville, creating sustainable careers, and eventually, launching outright superstars.
Benjamin Tod is the embodiment of that post punk roots archetype. As a high school dropout who spent much of his youth hopping trains and busking for ragged dollars to get by, he’s the kind of character a lot of other underground artists emulated. Raised in Cottonwood, Tennessee, Benjamin Tod met his wife and fiddle player Ashley Mae in Muhlenberg County, Kentucky when they were both still teenagers, playing music in a band called Barefoot Surrender, and eventually forming the Lost Dog Street Band in 2010, coined after the couple’s beloved labrador Daisy.
By that time though, the underground country scene was already unraveling from its heyday, and evolving into more of the Appalachian revival we see today inherent in artists like Tyler Childers and Sierra Ferrell. But Benjamin Tod and the Lost Dog Street Band survived the utter implosion of that era through dogged determination, and because they fit within both of these eras. And while the whole DIY attitude carried over from the punk era became less necessary as independent labels and representatives rose up to support the artists worthy of it, Benjamin Tod and the Lost Dog Street Band stuck to their principles and didn’t play the game.
The approach remains very much DIY, and attitudinal. Not playing ball with labels, not soliciting media for attention until earlier this year, Benjamin Tod is as quick to rant about the shady nature of the business as he is about his issues with substance abuse and mental health. A site like Saving Country Music? Of course it’s never talked about Benjamin Tod and Lost Dog, because it’s not real. That Trigger guy is bought and paid for as much as anyone. But of course, that pride also kept Tod from asking for any help either. As he sings in the opening song of Lost Dog Street Band’s latest album released earlier this year called Glory,
I won’t compromise or sign with the thieves
I’m the underdog trash of the underground scene
Only take pleasure when I compete
With a knife in my back, outnumbered by three
I’m on the wrong track hanging off the caboose
I can turn all the chaos to shelter and food
And I may not be pretty like all of you tools
But I fight like a tramp and I work like a mule
This same DIY attitude is brought to the music itself. With minimal effort spent on arrangement—and Benjamin’s vocal delivery being rather dry and almost matter-of-fact in it’s mood—this has kept much of the public at arm’s length from this music. It sounds underground, in a roots style that mostly imploded around 10 years ago with the disbanding of the .357 String Band and the disappearance of Hank3. But it’s the songs and the stories that can’t be denied, and what has sustained Benjamin Tod despite his stodgy and principled attitude, and has even crowned him one of the preeminent songwriters of our time, irrespective of the adversity placed upon him, by himself and others.
Though Benjamin Tod loves to tell you how this is all self-made, the YouTube Channel Gems on VHS also had a heavy hand in garnering the success he’s achieved over the last five years, with his video rendition of “Using Again” crossing some 11 million views, and multiple other videos on the channel accruing 7 figure stats. Then again, it’s hard to know if it’s the support of Gems on VHS that launched Benjamin Tod into the underground stratosphere, or if it was Gems on VHS benefiting from Benjamin. They both have been riding the insatiable wave of hunger for authenticity in music that was hyper-accelerated during the pandemic.
The title of this Benjamin Tod solo project called Songs I Swore I’d Never Sing is to be taken literally. Comprised of 10 songs recorded in only six hours, some of the tracks were written as long as 10 years ago, while others are more recent. What binds them all together is how Tod shelved them all as being too painful to perform. The loss of his dog, the suicide death of his former bandmate Nicholas Ridout from the band Spitshire, and potential splits from his wife Ashley Mae are the kinds of subject matter covered here. That Tod was ready to share them all now, and together, arguably resulted in the best collection of songs in his catalog.
Recorded completely acoustically and alone, with just a little natural room reverb to embellish the signals, Songs I Swore I’d Never Sing is a merciless unburdening, a scathing piece of self-assessment and bloodletting, imparted with an incredibly poetic conveyance that makes the words resonate far beyond what any instrumental accompaniment could achieve. These songs deserve to be naked. This album is basically Benjamin Tod laying prostrate on the ground, free of stitch or cover. Judge away if you will, but you can’t ever accuse it of not being raw and honest.
These are the recitations of a man standing on the brink of precipices, peering over the edge of a cliff, or down the barrel of a gun, or at the bottom of a bottle of pills, and choosing to exorcise his pain in words as opposed to more catastrophic alternatives. No wonder this stuff was too painful to share before. Having to relive those moments in performing these compositions had to be harrowing in itself, let alone turning them into some sort of commercial product to share with the world.
“It won’t be nominated, awarded or appreciated by this world the way it should,” Benjamin Todd chided upon this album’s release. “Their industry is too trite and shallow to even entertain real emotion. It is a relic of something that is lost on the masses. I too am becoming obsolete in this world from every mirroring axis.”
There is certainly an element of truth in this. But this is also Benjamin Tod taking pride in his struggle, because it’s in the throes of roiled emotion, and tired and hungry where his muse emerges. That’s what you hear in this album, which alleviates criticisms from some previous efforts by centering the attention solely on his songs.
The full truth is that Benjamin Tod has become more beloved and successful that some entry level performers signed to major labels these days, or many independent musicians in the middle tiers. And Songs I Swore I’d Never Sing very well may be the record where the rest of the country and roots world awakens to what they have with Benjamin Tod.
1 3/4 Guns Up (8.5/10)
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September 26, 2022 @ 8:34 am
I want to hear more of your take on this:
“the underground country scene was already unraveling from its heyday, “
September 26, 2022 @ 7:44 pm
This probably deserves its own article, and I’m sure I’ve written it once or twice before, but 2012 was really the year the underground country scene really began to implode. Hank3 was going off the rails, .357 String Band disbanded, along with some other acts, and generally it all collapsed under its own weight of drama and bullshit. By the time Sturgill Simpson released “Metamodern Sounds in Country Music” in 2014, all the momentum had shifted to Appalachian artists releasing stuff through Thirty Tigers. Publicists, booking agents, and lebels were seeing the value in the music, and getting involved. Lost Dog Street Band is sort of a throwback to that underground era when it was all DIY.
September 26, 2022 @ 11:33 am
Going to check this out. I’ve really liked his Gems on VHS performances and he has a song called “Long Gone” from his album “A heart of Gold is hard to find” that I listen to quite often. I’m quite happy he is getting some recognition.
September 26, 2022 @ 2:53 pm
Great song. My fav off that album is Sorry for the Things.
September 26, 2022 @ 11:48 am
You will find no bigger Benjamin Tod/Lost dog fan than me. My wife and I had tickets to go see him in Pineville KY at the most beautiful amphitheater, but the show got canceled. However, I think we’re going to see the make-up show which is the last one on the tour. I’m sure it will be a memorable one. I am glad he will be taking some time off. Nothing wrong with enjoying your life and your wife and slowing down a little bit. He’s earned it. There’s also a great podcast that was put out in tandem with the album for anyone interested.
September 26, 2022 @ 11:55 am
Also, what’s with the throwaway line about Trigger and SCM being bought and paid for? You could’ve left that out and that paragraph would’ve been much more coherent.. so obviously I’m missing a piece to the story here.
September 26, 2022 @ 12:41 pm
I was just riffing there. As far as I know, he’s never called out myself or SCM, though plenty of other artists have. It was just a way to illustrate how he’s been openly distrusting of anyone tied to the music industry and media. Though I certainly agree with that when it comes to the mainstream, I think he’s been a little unfair and painting with a broad brush when it comes to independent country / Americana stuff, though there’s snakes there too. There are also a lot of people there who really believe in this music and do it from love who don’t deserve to be lumped in with the Music Row scum.
September 26, 2022 @ 5:03 pm
I gotcha. I have definitely seen some lengthy social media posts of his that frankly just go way over my head because I’m not plugged in enough to know all the ins and outs of what he’s referring to, or even how the business works more generally. I just love the music because I also have had a drug problem and the same self destructive patterns he sings about in his music. Plus I just love Appalachian fiddle music.
Something was said of Townes VZ one time, maybe by Guy Clark, I could be wrong on that detail.. but nonetheless it was said that Townes could have been hugely famous and successful but never was because he had a gun and had really good aim for his foot. I’m paraphrasing, but you get the point. I think BT likes to think of himself as a modern day Townes or Guy (he’s said as much in his songs) so possibly he just either has that same innate sort of self destruction or possibly even cultivates it at times for “the muse.” Who knows? It’s all just pure speculation.
September 26, 2022 @ 12:43 pm
Trigger was joking how underground-underground singers like Tod tend to think even SCM is just part of the machine.
Based off this article, Tod seems to think he is the purest artist of them all.
September 26, 2022 @ 12:42 pm
“It won’t be nominated, awarded or appreciated by this world the way it should”. Or maybe… it just isn’t that good. Being sad is not a personality trait. Music still needs melody and rhythm and this has a deficit of both. It’s fine I guess but it’s boring. The lyrics aren’t particularly inspiring either. Nothing that’s clever or memorable just singer-songwriter heart-on-my-sleeve sentimentality that’s portrayed as good-by-default because it’s not on the radio. It’s fighting for an aesthetic that doesn’t really exist. Very few things are as annoying to me as music that tries to sound like an era it doesn’t belong to
September 26, 2022 @ 3:20 pm
Somebody brought him up in the shitshow meltdown that happened in the Sunny Sweeney article comments. I’ve been thinking for the last couple of days about how his kind of country music is almost a different thing than full band country music. I get why you would like it but it’s not particularly musical compared to stuff thats meant for dancing to. Gets weird when people start comparing this kind of really heavy singer-songwriter folk thing with for example honky tonk.
September 26, 2022 @ 4:54 pm
I’d respectfully push back a little bit on the lyricism not standing out here. As I tried to express in the review, his delivery both solo and with the Lost Dog Street Band is pretty dry, and takes an acquired taste or warming up to. But I personally think the writing here is top notch. That’s just me though.
Jerry Clower's Ghost
September 26, 2022 @ 5:35 pm
The key word here is “inaccessible”.
September 26, 2022 @ 6:32 pm
I don’t think people appreciate just how big Benjamin Tod is. When you have videos out there with 11 million views, and tracks on Spotify with 8 million streams—especially when you have absolutely no representation at all—you are absolutely killing it. There are artists signed to major labels that would kill for the kind of numbers Benjamin Tod has accrued.
Jerry Clower's Ghost
September 26, 2022 @ 7:10 pm
I respectfully counter that that video is of a track that was released 5 years ago. We’re talking about the album he released last Friday. It kinda sucks.
September 27, 2022 @ 6:53 am
His marketing resembles that of modern Hollywood. Right now they are running around saying if you don’t like their latest work, you are the latest “ist” or “ism.”
Tod is saying if you don’t like this album, you don’t like real music. You must be a trough feeder of Nashville music. Just because it isn’t released by Music Row means it is good music.
How about we just release music and movies without playing the shame game?
September 27, 2022 @ 7:46 am
“His marketing resembles that of modern Hollywood. Right now they are running around saying if you don’t like their latest work, you are the latest “ist” or “ism.””
No it doesn’t, and this is a perfect example of a political non sequitur people love to drop in these comments sections that result on 14 back and forths before I have to close the comments section down. This has nothing to do with Hollywood “wokeness.”
September 27, 2022 @ 9:44 am
I respectfully disagree. All of his statements in that article follow the current Hollywood marketing template of either you enjoy it or you are not one of the group.
He is trying to play the opposed victim when he has more success than 99% of singers out there. Same thing with those movies being made. If they were really opposed, those themes and actors wouldn’t even be allowed in Hollywood.
At the end of the day, neither Hollywood or Tod trust their material enough to do the talking. So they are creating narratives designed to guilt people into enjoying their work.
December 3, 2022 @ 9:51 am
The crazy thing is that he can make a living off of his craft. Why take that away? At the end of the day, his music is for him, we just demanded more. I hear all of this talk about what’s wrong and not what you think the solution or ideal fucking musician is. Probably because you can’t make someone else the human you want them to be, let alone a perfect human. I’ve been fucking with Benjamin Tod since 2014. I’m a broke lil bitch with the YouTube slapping barefoot surrender. Pretty accessible to me. It wasn’t hard to go from barefoot surrender, to lost dog, and to spitshine. Once I heard ‘Forgot My Name’ best believe I fell down that rabbit hole. Quick AF. Alls I needed was the damn googles.
Plus I don’t know what you’re referring to when you say that they say “Right now they are running around saying if you don’t like their latest work, you are the latest “ist” or “ism.”
I heard them speak on how there’s been a lack of appreciation as a whole when it comes to their work, not just the last piece released, but I’m sure some sort of words exist out there, to the extent you say? Hmm I’m not sure. Also, I’m pretty sure they aren’t fixated all day on running around and creating a narrative.
One of the biggest faults in your comment to me though is when you say “So they are creating narratives designed to guilt people into enjoying their work.”
BRUH!!!!!! I’m so confused!!! Im going to have to tell my boyfriend about that marketing strategy. Shits 666ick as fuck. Honestly, I didn’t know musicians could push sales entirely on passive and unspoken guilt lmao.
Honestly, now that I think about it, I’ve been 1000% taken advantage of. THIS WHOLE TIME. Like, damn. Like did Benny boy even do drugs? Is Ashley even his wife? Is everyone REALLY dead? Must just be a ploy from the git-go to make listeners feel bad and throw some money their way. Which is so ironic because I honestly haven’t bought any lost dog stuff. I FINALLY saw them this year for the first time. Do I feel ashamed admitting that yeah. But I stand as living proof that though forced by guilt to enjoy Tod’s music, I still ain’t purchased anything but sure have shit played Tod’s to music to the point of no return for FREE. HMM? Sounds low key accessible to me.
Just out here being a petty bitch.
I feel like critiqueing them for such little shit that’s all theory or hearsay is dumb.
Critiquing the music, makes more sense to me. In my opinion, it wasn’t my favorite, but there’s some slaps on there. I REALLY REALLY fucking wish the guitars were louder. That’s probably been my biggest issue with the album. The levels are a bit wonky but, you get what you get and Tod has recorded several songs multiple times, maybe down the line they’ll get a little bit more shine. I sure hope. ❤❤❤
Critiqueing how they critique the critiques, or lack thereof, to their music is just Hella redundant, especially for such a DIY group. They did it how they wanted it. At least I hope haha. Now if they were forced to release this shit and happened to be unsatisfied but still haf to push it, bow that would be some Hollywood shit. At least their pockets get lined.
Anyways, it’s raining outside, my cats are sleeping on my legs and my legs are starting to fall asleep. My cats legit 18 lbs. So I’m going to rise before my legs fall asleep, go necrotic, and then have to get removed. I’d really hate to guilt yall into agreeing with me. It’d be a darn-hooting grass-chewing shame y’all. Gotta love Buntry music.
Also, remember that we get to see such great growth and venture in Tod versus clinging to the few relics of a dead musician, like I do all too often. Just grateful Tod can release an album with some quite ass guitar and we can see what’s on the otherside, literally serving as a damn light for fucks like me.
Kind of remind me of how everyone was mad tripping when Pat The Bunny got sober and “changed” or stopped playing music. I’m just glad there’s hope on the otherside and truthfully, that’s another narrative that needs to be pushed harder. I think ‘Hollywood’syands back because taking advantage of a sober man with a strong will and a DIY spirit is a lot harder than a junkie down on their luck. Their bets are better placed in damaed arms since death breeds never ending infatuation, and infatuation breeds sales.
Just glad to know people exist.
I can’t believe I just spent Hella time typing. Glad it didn’t just accidentally get erased. If it did I’d probably just reply on some petty gang gang shit. I’m glad I could work through my thoughts enough to put my thumb on what’s so integral to Ben and Ashley’s art. Thats the fact that fucking hope lives on, which is so much emotionally better to see than some sad painted picture immortalized in stone, when in reality often we forget that these are real lives and real fucking losses. We get to be a part of personal growth. For some that might deeply influence their brain by getting it to work the motions of what a sober life could like or could be. Dats on Dat neural linguistic programming ish brah brah haha
Forreal forreal, bye for now!
Life’s complex as fuck. Assumptions be the death of us but I’m still low key being an assumption queen, because you might be right and they are mad plowing on the guilt farm. Haha
September 26, 2022 @ 12:45 pm
I hope the music is good because his martyrdom act is pretty embarrassing. He sounds like some teenage emo who claims only the bands he likes keeps it real.
And man does he have an ego.
September 26, 2022 @ 12:52 pm
Yeah he comes off strong with the woe-is-me gimmick. It soured me to the songs before I even started listening
September 26, 2022 @ 1:26 pm
I listened to the songs.
Typical songwriter stuff. Good lyrics completely wasted by dreary melodies.
His kind never learn that you can write a song with emotion that isn’t murder on the ears and still be deep. See “The Bird Hunters” by the Turnpike Troubadours.
Adam Gump a-holes
September 26, 2022 @ 6:04 pm
You guys certainly have not gone through a painful life, like he has because his music is a direct image of hard times and hard lessons. Don’t be wimpy and take a stance of appreciation to someone who is singing out life lessons and reality of not having adults raise you. Fuck off haters, Tod is the real thing and is a real artist. Don’t hate because you can’t relate.
September 26, 2022 @ 6:43 pm
Lame comment. He isn’t going to sleep with you.
I have suffered losses. So has everyone else.
Just because he has had some hard times doesn’t mean his music is above criticism.
September 26, 2022 @ 9:34 pm
You do realize criticism is designed to probe deeply into a work of art? What is it with some fans that can’t accept negative comments about an artist? Are you that immature or insecure that you must defend this guy from someone’s else perspective?
October 5, 2022 @ 5:36 am
So… saying that someones personality and take on life is a gimmick or that some artist has an ego is somehow Deeply Probing Criticism and differing opinions are just angry fans unable to take it?
Jerry Clower's Ghost
September 26, 2022 @ 2:33 pm
I still have earlier Lost Dog stuff in my regular rotation that will probably always be there, but I couldn’t get into their most recent album or this solo album from Mr. Tod. It seems like some artists use pretense as a defense mechanism to get out in front of criticism against what’s lacking in their output.
Jerry Clower's Ghost
September 26, 2022 @ 6:02 pm
Frankly, that you even reviewed this one at all was surprising. This release seemed like a lazy effort unworthy of your time.
September 26, 2022 @ 6:27 pm
On Friday when I reviewed Sunny Sweeney, I got criticized for ignoring Benjamin Tod and Chris Canterbury. In fact, one of the most requested artists to review here for years has been Benjamin Tod and Lost Dog Street Band. Benjamin was way past due for being featured here. If you think this is a lazy effort, that’s your opinion and I respect that. But this is an important album.
Jerry Clower's Ghost
September 26, 2022 @ 6:53 pm
I’m not surprised by the requests. They have put out some amazing tracks that are some of my favorite. “Hell’s” Canyon” and “Just to Say Goodbye” are eternal classics for me, but I respectfully strongly disagree with the high rating. This is a 6.0-6.5 at best.
September 27, 2022 @ 4:02 am
Tod’s solo work, duo work and the bands he’s in are all pretty good.
I think his lyrics do important work because they clearly don’t glorify the heroin and drinking. There’s some overlap between this music and folk punk and some of the recent folk punk outright romanticizes heroin use and heavy drinking. It’s basically part of the aesthetic and the music seems pretty popular with young folks.
So I think Tod’s songs are better in that regard. On top of well written lyrics.
September 27, 2022 @ 6:24 am
I can appreciate a sad slow song as much as the next, but these albums that have nothing else but sad slow songs become tedious. I rarely give an album like this more than a single listen, and often bore of it before I complete one. A little more effort into adding some instrumentation and variation of tempo may have turned this album from one only hardcore fans will like to something interesting.
September 27, 2022 @ 6:56 am
Remember if it isn’t all sad slow songs then it is not “serious” or “deep.” Or “real.”
September 27, 2022 @ 7:13 am
How about a sad song with a different tempo or some added arrangement to keep an album sounding like all the songs are the same song with different words? You can keep a theme and still have variety.
September 27, 2022 @ 7:19 am
Cat’s in the Cradle is the saddest song ever recorded and it isn’t just a slow, tedious dirge. There are actual tempo changes and instrumentation. I agree with CK, somber, boring, slow songwriter albums are unlistenable, even if the songs are really good.
September 27, 2022 @ 8:13 am
Absolutely. There have been plenty of sad songs that aren’t funeral like.
November 30, 2022 @ 9:05 am
The dude has a style and a lot of people like it. It’s not a big deal but asking him to change his style to fit your preferences is kinda crazy. Stephen King is a really good horror/suspense writer and asking him to start writing children’s books is pretty crazy.
September 27, 2022 @ 4:52 pm
The thing is, when you enjoy singer-songwriterly dirges of this kind (like I do), upon hearing all ten you exclaim: I’ll take ten more just as similar sounding, please!
September 27, 2022 @ 8:50 am
Pretentious artist, boring music.
September 27, 2022 @ 2:20 pm
You either get it or don’t, I guess. I have the utmost respect for Benjamin Tod and think he’s one of the greatest songwriters of our time. No one else come close the expression he conveys in songs. Modern day Townes.
September 27, 2022 @ 2:30 pm
Mediocre – not bad, but overhyped. Tod choose more of an emo-indie-folk way than a country- or a texas singer-songwriter way. A Hillbilly Shakespeare, a Hank or a Townes, Guy, or Blaze he ain’t, the songwriting just doesn’t go there; at best he would qualify as Alt-Country before the term Americana was coined. This album will not be a repeat-listen and probably collect byte dust on the hard drive.
Portcity Music Man
September 27, 2022 @ 5:04 pm
100% folk… Sounds like a guy playing at a coffee shop.
September 27, 2022 @ 4:47 pm
Reminds me of Cahalen Morrison’s magnificent Wealth of Sorrow – similar stripped-down lyricism and “exclamatory” style of singing. It’s right up my alley.
Portcity Music Man
September 27, 2022 @ 5:02 pm
This sounds more like folk music to me. I like to hear some steel guitar and a fiddle.
September 27, 2022 @ 5:16 pm
Definitely more folk than country, but I don’t think anyone is arguing otherwise. Hank Williams considered himself a folk performer.
September 27, 2022 @ 8:33 pm
As did Johnny Cash.
September 27, 2022 @ 9:10 pm
yeah, but that meant something different in the 1940’s. I mean there’s a Grand Ole Opry clip of Webb Pierce in I think the early 60’s where someone introduces him as a folksinger. It was another term for country singer at the time but the two genres REALLY diverged in the later 60’s.
September 27, 2022 @ 5:03 pm
Tough crowd. Here’s a guy who made bad decisions singing his experience and telling everyone who doesn’t like it to take a hike. What’s not to respect about that? He has a song about his step-grandfather with a verse that goes:
“He cheers with the television
Hoping this year Kentucky will win
I give a yell from the kitchen
and wear it with pride that I’m close to him
Then I count the days and watch as the haze fills his eyes
but I won’t complain, it’s a privilege to live and die”
That’s good, taut writing. Keep it up, Ben. You got listeners.
September 27, 2022 @ 5:32 pm
It’s not my thing – neither is LDSB – but I enjoyed it. Album closes really well. “Wyoming” and “The Paper and the Ink” were probably my favorites on it, but all of it was really well written.
“We are given this life, but nobody said it was free” is an absolutely brilliant line.
September 28, 2022 @ 10:03 pm
I am so happy you finally reviewed one of his albums. And spot on man. You nailed it. This album is really good but his best offerings are in the lost dog street band recordings. Benjamin Tod is more like the Luke the drifter stuff. Lost Dog is the bread and butter. Great review Trigger. His band mate Jason Odea West from barefoot surrender just released an album called Lone Wolf. Please listen to it if you haven’t heard of him I know you will appreciate it
September 28, 2022 @ 10:11 pm
Monkey D. Luffy
September 30, 2022 @ 5:15 pm
Big fan of Benjamin Tod and Lost Dogs, gonna see them in Knoxville soon. Sucks seeing people who don’t give him a chance or just label him as sad boy shit. Dudes gotten me and many others through so rough times meanwhile modern country woulda made me put a bullet in my brain. The greatest song writer of our generation. If you do enjoy him definitely check out Jason Dea West and his earlier band Intuitive Compass, he also played with Benjamin Tod in Barefoot Surender, also check out Matt Heckler and the band he used to play in Deep Chatham
September 30, 2022 @ 6:18 pm
Sounds like the Decemberists unplugged.
October 4, 2022 @ 3:37 am
My first thought as well
October 1, 2022 @ 2:09 pm
As a Wyomingite, I thoroughly approve.
1) the sun is shining, but
2) please don’t do that, you’ll start a massive brush fire.