Country Music is Not to Blame for Tina Turner’s Lost Country Legacy

When the news broke on Thursday, May 24th that the great Tina Turner had passed away, music journalists from around the world mobilized to memorialize this towering woman of music in many different ways. For Saving Country Music, this took shape as a recitation of Tina Turner’s contributions to country music that came as a surprise to many people.
No, Tina Turner was not a country music star. But her first solo album in 1974 was called Tina Turns The Country On! and included country and folk classics. Turner also recorded about 10 or so other country songs during her career, both during her time with Ike Turner and afterwards. She also inspired Waylon Jennings and Willie Nelson to write the country classic “Good Hearted Woman.”
We’re all music fans first, and then our loyalties split down genre lines. That’s why the entire music world mourned the loss of Tina Turner, including country fans. But it’s always cool when you discover that someone you may not expect loves country music like you do, whether that’s some sports celebrity, actor, or in this case, a pop, soul, and rock star. It’s even more cool when they performed country music, like Tina Turner did.
Though Turner definitely deserved more recognition for her efforts in the country music realm while she was still alive, it was warm to see country fans discovering that in her own little way, Tina Turner was one of us. She loved country music. But of course, in this polarized and outrage-driven environment that we live in today, some are taking the moment of Tina Turner’s death to assert that the singer was one of country music’s Black contributors that was somehow shut out or shunned by the country music industry.
Though it’s certainly true that at times in the past, country music has been less than accommodating or outright hostile to certain Black performers in shameful ways, this is absolutely not the case with Tina Turner. Creating this canard is a gross rewriting of history being perpetrated by people who want to use Turner’s death to morally preen while once again using country music as the foil.
The day after Tina Turner passed away, Rolling Stone posted a story entitled, “Tina Turner’s Solo Debut Was a Country Album. Why Hasn’t the Genre Claimed Her as Its Own?” Of course, it’s paywalled, like so many of these think pieces these days. But the summation of the article reads in part,
“Despite recording a series of country songs by Dolly Parton, Hank Snow, and Kris Kristofferson for her 1974 solo debut ‘Tina Turns the Country On!’, the album remains a curiosity, or entirely unknown, by today’s country music listener. What’s more, Nashville and the genre have yet to embrace Turner the way it has other country-adjacent icons…”
The article is rather quick and surprisingly poorly-constructed by Joseph Hudak. It’s not even clear if he wrote it, or if it was author Francesca T. Royster who is also cited. Either way, instead of running down the full breadth of Tina Turner’s country music contributions and bonafides in an attempt to educate the public and re-introduce Tina’s legacy into the country music canon, the article just descends into a succession of buzzwards and sloganeering about Tina Turner to try and ingratiate itself to a constituency, speaking about her “power” and her ability to “weaponize lots of different kinds of music.”
Marcus K. Dowling writing for The Tennessean does a much better job actually running down what Tina Turner did within the country music realm, why country music meant something to her, and why Tina Turner should mean something to country music. But still, the implication is that it’s country music’s fault that Turner didn’t make it as a country music star. Once again stuck behind a paywall, the article is titled “How Tina Turner’s interrupted country legacy could have changed the genre.”
But in neither of these stories do you read about how Tina Turner came to Nashville and couldn’t find producers and players to work with her, or how she was shuffled out the back door at the Grand Ole Opry, or how they released a single to country radio but country radio refused to play it. The reason for this is because these stories don’t exist, nor do any others that in any way implicate “country music” as being unfair or unaccommodating to Tina Turner or her music in any way.
As one former country music DJ commented:
I’m a lifelong fan of country music and I was working full-time in country radio in 1974. But this is the first I’ve ever heard of Tina Turner’s country album! Don’t remember my station having a copy of a single or an album by her. Nor do I recall hearing her played on any other country radio station around that time. Our playlist was tracked weekly by Billboard, Cashbox and Record World so we consistently had great service from all the country record labels in Nashville. Maybe if we had a copy we might have played it.
For the record my station did play “Fairytale” by the Pointer Sisters that same year. Their record label ABC/Blue Thumb sent us a promotional copy. I recall quite a few other country stations played that song too. Great tune.
So why wasn’t Tina Turner “embraced” by country music? The answer is very simple, verifiable, and common sense: it’s because her country music album and songs have been out of print for some 40 years. Tina Turns The Country On! is not available for streaming our download anywhere, nor has it ever been. The album was never in production even during the CD era. Unless you purchased one of the original copies released on vinyl, you’ve never heard the album. Only a few copies are available on eBay, and unless you’re willing to pony up between $88.00 – $249.00, you’re out of luck for listening.
Rolling Stone says, “It’s out of print now, but even so the album hasn’t made the impact that it deserves.” But how is it supposed to have any impact whatsoever when nobody can hear it? And this is not country music’s fault. Once again, “country music” is being addressed like it is a monolith, as if it’s artists, fans, labels, institutions, and industry all work in lock step with each other—and in this instance, to actively not embrace Tina Turner, despite her releasing a country album.
But it wasn’t even a country label that released Turner’s country album in the first place, it was United Artists out of Los Angeles. The album was recorded at Bolic Sound in Inglewood, California that was built by Ike Turner. If anyone should be implicated for not embracing Tina Turner’s country output and depreciating it in the modern music diet, it should be them. In 2021, Tina Turner sold her entire catalog to BMG for $50 million. In theory, it would now be up to BMG to reissue Tina Turner’s country music, including her debut album and the respective singles. So far, they have not.
If anything, country music fans are thirsty for this material, and have been clamoring for it for decades. That is why over the years, there have been truck stop-style reissues of Tina Turner’s country material under scores of names, often from European-based companies that are known for skirting copyrights through import schemes. Tina Turner Sings Country, The Country Side of Tina Turner, Country My Way, Country In My Soul, and Country Classics are just some of the many titles that have compiled Tina Turner’s country material in quasi albums, but many of these have been pulled from shelves and streaming sites due to their spurious copyright permissions.
So why haven’t Tina Turner’s country songs been officially reissued, and why have they remained out of print for decades? The short answer is that we really don’t know. One reason could be because they are country. As classic country fans will attest, large swaths of country catalogs from important country artist continue to be out of print while artists from other genres enjoy quicker and more complete integrations into the streaming era. Since country fans tend to stream music less, labels and rights holders like BMG do not make country titles a priority for reissue.
But this is Tina Turner. She is a major international star. Though Saving Country Music spent significant time trying to find an answer as to why Turner’s country material remains out of print and there doesn’t seem to be a definitive one, some have asserted that this was at the behest of Tina Turner herself. Reading up on the recording of Tina Turns The Country On! you find that the album was Ike Turner’s idea, not Tina’s. He believed by recording country and folk material, it would introduce Turner to a wider audience.
And by the way, with multiple songs from Bob Dylan as well as “Don’t Talk Now” by James Taylor, the album wasn’t just meant to be considered country, but country and folk with an R&B twist. That is why the album received a Grammy nomination for “Best R&B Vocal Performance.” It was also full of obvious country cover songs as opposed to original material composed either for or by Turner.
Some believe that the disappearance of Tina Turns The Country On! and all of her country-related singles was at the behest of Tina Turner herself, perhaps because she didn’t care for it. Though there is no confirmation of this, it’s one of the few plausible explanations. Tina Turner is an international superstar. Even if it’s early career output, the revenue her country album and songs could garner would be significant. Turner’s catalog earned $3.7 million in 2022 alone. Why would any label leave any portion of her catalog unavailable unless it was voluntary on Turner’s part?
But moreover, the entire discussion of whether Tina Turner could have been big in country seems to miss the bigger picture of Turner’s career. Always considering himself a kingmaker, Marcus K. Dowling of The Tennessean asserts in his article claiming Turner’s country career was “disrupted,” “In another life, Tina Turner could’ve been one of the greatest country music artists ever.”
But if she had been, it would have been at the detriment of her becoming an international superstar. Country music would have been limiting to Turner. This is the reason Taylor Swift, Linda Ronstadt, Shania Twain, and other women left country music for the greener pastures of pop. Why would anyone sit back and second guess the overwhelmingly successful career trajectory of Tina Turner?
Tina Turner herself explained to Larry King in 1997 that the United States was too limiting for her, let alone country music. That is why she chose to move with Switzerland later in life. “Europe has been very supportive of my music,” she said. “I’m as big as Madonna in Europe. I’m as big as—in some places, as the Rolling Stones.” Maybe if anything was less accommodating to Tina Turner, it was the United States in total.
Let’s not be hyperbolic ourselves though. In neither the Rolling Stone or The Tennessean article do they come out and say that racism is the reason Tina Turner wasn’t big in country music. But then again, they don’t have to. They understand this is the implication and how it will be interpreted. Reading through the social media comments, that’s exactly how it was interpreted. They also don’t say racism was the reason because there is absolutely not a shred of evidence this is the case.
Instead of attempting to implicate “country music” as being responsible for not embracing Tina Turner enough or disrupting her country music career, how about lobby for the release of her country music to the wide public so we can all enjoy it? That is the barrier standing between Tina Turner being embraced by country fans. That is what has disrupted her legacy in the genre.
Not to toot the ol’ horn, but when Saving Country Music published a retrospective on another overlooked Black country music contributor in Stoney Edwards—and specifically bemoaned the fact that so much of his music was unavailable digitally—it led in part to UMG Nashville re-releasing Stoney’s six major label albums. This was something “country music” did to make sure Stoney’s legacy didn’t continue to go overlooked.
Saving Country Music is a traditional country music website. As soon as news of Tina Turner’s passing broke, it immediately became an imperative to make sure the public knew about her contributions to country music. Many other country music websites behaved similarly. And this wasn’t the first time SCM had mentioned Tina Turner’s debut album or her efforts in country music, and others have as well. It’s a disputable opinion that “country music” did not embrace Tina Turner, despite the lack of availability of her country songs.
But the bigger question is why everything has to be a culture war scuffle these days? The death of Tina Turner was a moment when music fans of all genres could come together and mourn the loss of an icon beloved the world over by country, rock, pop, soul, and hip-hop fans alike, white and black, American, European, Asian, African, and everyone else.
Yes, it is imperative on the press and academia to make sure the contributions of people like Tina Turner to cultural institutions like country music do not go overlooked. But you can do that without casting aspersions and asserting spurious or outright false claims. This only undercuts the potency of arguments when actual moments of racism and exclusion arise.
May 29, 2023 @ 8:56 am
Sometimes I wonder if these clownish takes are just to get people to hate read and to stir up controversy.
Either way it’s so predictable at this point that I’m not sure it’s of human or AI origin.
May 29, 2023 @ 10:44 am
Jake,
I oftentimes find Trigger’s rebuttals to be more clownish than the takes he’s rebutting, because his rebuttals tend to come off as though the sincerity of the person he’s rebutting is assumed. The communist knows this isn’t racism…dude, he KNOWS.
What I’m unsure of, and why Trig’s takes often sound naive and clownish to me, is whether or not Trig knows the communist knows. And if Trig is aware of the communist’s purposeful insincerity, whose mind is Trig trying to change with an article like this?
May 29, 2023 @ 11:12 am
Maybe it’s naive, but I give Trigger more credit here. Though he may not think in terms of “communists,” I think he knows what’s going on. I think he presents his arguments in good faith to avoid name calling and over-labeling people because it wouldn’t make for a good read or interesting argument. If he’s trying to convince anyone, I think it’s possible he is talking to people in the middle or center-left. Other than a handful of NPCs here, I think we all know the resentful authoritarians (what you call communists), are not reachable. He takes the brunt of their “activism” on a regular basis….I fail to believe he doesn’t get it.
May 29, 2023 @ 11:36 am
Understood, Jake.
You’ve never mentioned it before, but I gather from your reply, that you don’t fully grasp what we’re dealing with either. You’re obviously not alone. What would it take to convince you that what we are dealing with really is what we’re dealing with?
May 29, 2023 @ 12:46 pm
I get it buddy…but this a country music website and this story is about lame “journalists” covering Tina Turner’s death (at least as a pretext)….I’m trying to stay at least somewhat on topic. I know it goes deeper, but we’re not going to solve much here, unfortunately.
May 29, 2023 @ 11:46 am
Honky,
Clearly I understand there are ulterior purposes involved in a lot of these articles, and address that specifically. I just don’t do it in as forceful of a manner as you feel is necessary apparently, nor do I see the need to paint everything as “communist,” which sure, describes some of these actors, but not all of them. Articles like these are the results of elitist discourse in echo chambers, often on Twitter. By the time it makes it into article form, it’s boiled down because there is no validity to the arguments. Since all dissent is blocked and mischaracterized as “attacks” as opposed to debate, their arguments aren’t put through any rigorous scrutiny, and fall apart through the simple presentation of facts. Calling them “communists” isn’t going to strengthen that argument though, it’s just going to make it more polarizing and combative. Some of the people are just doing what they believe is for the greater good.
May 29, 2023 @ 12:12 pm
….”Calling them “communists” isn’t going to strengthen that argument though,”…..
You’re wrong. Try not to think of it as “calling them” something. Think of it more as an acknowledgment of what they are, an acknowledgment of their belief system.
Because “Communism” has a very negative connotation, it’s important to acknowledge openly that Communism is indeed what we’re dealing with. Failure to openly acknowledge it, inadvertently provides cover for it, and enables the masses to remain ignorant, uninformed.
Look at it this way: If you were dealing with racism, you would openly call it racism. You wouldn’t be the least bit concerned about “over-labeling”, “polarization”, or “combativeness”.
May 29, 2023 @ 12:49 pm
You are unhinged.
May 29, 2023 @ 2:18 pm
This is a country music website, if you are so obsessed with communism, go to Russia or China , which with your love of communism, you would be welcome there. Tina turner was a great singer, and I agree with trigger, we should use our voices to try to get that album released. I would love to hear it. Maybe someday we will get to.
May 29, 2023 @ 3:58 pm
With all your input you should know they already openly acknowledge themselves as communist. The word has zero negative connotations. You are not opening any eyes or ears nor changing anyone’s mind.
May 29, 2023 @ 6:58 pm
Brad,
You’re sort of right. Many communists do use the term openly, but most don’t. I’m not really talking about them though. Among normies, midwits, and people who are Not Political™️, “Communism” has very negative connotations; so negative in fact, that it’s considered “over-labeling”, or “combative” to use the word “Communism” when describing the belief system of Communists.
So many people still think we’re just dealing with silly “libtards”, and that eventually it will all blow over. We’re not, and it won’t. It has to be defeated.
May 30, 2023 @ 5:44 am
To honky or anyone else who thinks communism Is big government control, or what other brain dead theory honky has the Oxford dictionary and the encyclopedia of Britannica have the REAL definition, and it’s as follows, these are not liberal sites, if you still believe In honky, you are stupider than you look.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/communism
May 30, 2023 @ 7:18 am
This is not an article about Communism. It’s about Tina Turner. Let’s keep the discussion on topic please.
May 30, 2023 @ 7:00 am
Countryfan68 dropped the biggest load of hypocrisy of the year so far with that comment.
June 1, 2023 @ 8:53 pm
Guess I’m just here for someone called Crackershire’s opinions on grammar.
June 1, 2023 @ 5:24 pm
What back woods 1960’s fucking outpost if still calling things ‘comnunist’ as a pejorative? Is there a generation that never came out from under their desks during their school nuke drills? Somehow found each other and made a new generation or two content to live in fear of the Boogeyman? And why are we talking about this bullshit on a page about good country music? Sometimes I’m ashamed to perform classic country music for these nutjobs. The war is over grandpa. American has never really won/never really had to be there. I’d be furious too, but not at bud light and all this stupid shit- but at the people who lied to you. Anyway, Tina brings it like few others. Makes me think about another deceased national treasure Ray Charles, and his battle with the labels to make his country album. His music too. If y’all think Waylon wasn’t trying to play disco/funk, you’re way off track.
June 1, 2023 @ 8:31 pm
It’s not a pejorative; it’s a descriptor when the “c” is lower case, and a title when the “C” is capitalized.
Please stop being a midwit.
May 29, 2023 @ 1:25 pm
No Jake we are supposed to handle this as if we are reviewing the work of journalstic greats with their untarnished reputations of objectivity.
And never under any circumstances ridicule their participation in the culture War. (not that they have contributed to it
May 29, 2023 @ 9:10 am
It’s amazing how activists posing as journalists have created a lucrative career based on assumptions, hyperbole, and pure fantasy.
May 29, 2023 @ 9:10 am
More nonsense from the usual suspects in hack music journalism. (RS and The Tenneesean)
Fellas, Tina Turner didn’t need country music for anything. Her early years with Ike gave her all the exposure in the R&B world. She was always going to be a star and pop music was the ideal place. Her worldwide following came as a result of the massive popularity of pop and R&B. Country music didn’t suffer somehow without her. Country music at the time was more ballad heavy, especially for the females of the time. Tina’s brand of danceable R&B didn’t fit the Country genre. Her ” country” records were as Trig points out, someone else’s idea, and she really wasn’t marketed to Country music audiences. And, finally, do you really think she would have achieved the level of money and fame, had she been successful in Country? Of course not. It’s laughable to even think so. CLEARLY Turner found the best fit and the right path for her talents. Her fame even led to movies, Mad Max anyone?
Good callout Trig. What an absolute bunch of claptrap.
May 29, 2023 @ 9:45 am
I am glad people at Rolling Stone and the Tennessean were able to rush back from Target and hopefully not too buzzed on Bud Light to give us the non-pandering truth. V
May 29, 2023 @ 9:55 am
Strait86,
These are the exact kinds of off-topic and polarizing subjects I’ve requested everyone and you specifically respectfully avoid to keep these comments sections open for important dialogue on the topic at hand.
Thank you.
May 29, 2023 @ 1:19 pm
Idk that anything Rolling Stone releases is credible enough to be an “important topic”
May 31, 2023 @ 7:30 pm
show me on the doll where the rainbow beer can hurt you
May 29, 2023 @ 10:17 am
I’ll tell you hwhat, if they made that album available on iTunes I’d buy it up asap.
May 29, 2023 @ 10:43 am
This is not an obscure album from an obscure country artist. There is a lot of money to be made from Tina Turner’s country material, and a lot of money that was left on the table over the last few days since an artist’s death invariably spikes streams and sales. There is a reason that Tina Turner’s country songs are unavailable, while the rest of her catalog is live. There is a good chance that it was Tina Turner’s wishes that her country stuff be made unavailable, no different than Sturgill Simpson with his Sunday Valley stuff, or other artists with early career output.
May 29, 2023 @ 6:25 pm
Trigger, I appreciate the work you did on this article. I twas informative and well researched, which is a high compliment nowadays. If anyone wants to listen, the whole album is available on youtube. After a spin or two. I think it’s pretty clear why Tina didn’t take the country world by storm. It’s a fine album, but I don’t hear anything that folks like Solomon Burke and Johnny Adams hadn’t already done by bringing R&B to country. Of course, as. Yogi Berra said, hindsight’s 50/50
May 29, 2023 @ 10:32 am
…..”In neither the Rolling Stone or The Tennessean article do they come out and say that racism is the reason Tina Turner wasn’t big in country music. But then again, they don’t have to. They understand this is the implication and how it will be interpreted.“…..
….”But the bigger question is why everything has to be a culture war scuffle these days?”…..
Trig,
These two quotes from your article seem to contradict each other. In the first one, you explain the purpose of what is being done. In the second, you ask why it’s being done even though you explained it already in the first one.
Am I misunderstanding you?
Also, is the second quote a rhetorical question? Is it is, that would make it make more sense.
May 29, 2023 @ 10:33 am
Yes, the second question was rhetorical.
May 29, 2023 @ 10:51 am
I’m not a big Tina Turner fan regardless this seems like all nonsense. I never heard these songs but it wasnt unusual for black singers or groups like the temptations to put out material to widen their audience and make more money. My guess is that turner herself didn’t want it reissued . There is all this stuff about country music shutting out black people but people have short memories of stuff. Back in the day before all this pop country crossover stuff, a lot of people including a lot of black people made a lot of fun of country music. It’s only now when you have more crossover that they feel the need to join in and make some money. Maybe for a long time turner thought that bring associated with country would be a hindrance for her. Now maybe not so much and maybe she would have taken advantage if she was still alive and doing well. Who knows.
May 29, 2023 @ 11:18 am
That’s a very good point David, and it’s one that is not made enough in these discussions. When I was growing up, the common refrain was “I like every kind of music but country.” The joke was that if you played a country song backwards, you got your wife back, your dog wasn’t dead, and your truck got fixed. It was lampooned culture wide. This changed a little bit with the ‘Class of ’89,” and it’s changed in recent years with the re-popularization of roots music. But it very well could have been that Tina Turner didn’t want to be associated with hillbilly culture in the mid 80s when she was one of the top artists in all of music across the world, and distanced from that portion of her career.
May 29, 2023 @ 5:49 pm
Trigg and Duke,
Bingo! You both hit the nail on the head. I still hear this argument today, “I like everything but country”. The weirdest part is back in the day it used to mean any type of country music. Now some are saying it because they don’t like the “pop country” others mean more “classic type country”. I now abstain from even telling people I like country music at all. I struggle with a term to describe it as a whole. If I do say something it usually is along the lines of “I like real country, not the pop country stuff on the radio.”
May 29, 2023 @ 11:12 am
Yeah. As someone who generally thinks he knows more about country music than most people, I had no idea
And this is coming from someone who routinely pirates out of print material
May 29, 2023 @ 12:19 pm
Im not sure it was America specifically holding her back. Sidney Bechet moved to France and became the biggest name in jazz there, yet is relatively unknown here in the mainstream today. He is the Louis Armstrong equivalent there at the same time Louis was the biggest name here. Since they are both black New Orleans horn players in the same era it had to be something more that they preferred one over the other. In blues, Champion Jack Dupree also from New Orleans, moved to Switzerland and said he felt more appreciated there and had a bigger following. It seems time and place is as important in talent to drive popularity. I mean, hell, Hasslehoff is a big deal in Germany……
May 29, 2023 @ 3:56 pm
After your last article, I myself looked for it and could not find. perhaps we should start a petition.
May 29, 2023 @ 5:25 pm
If Tina was in any way embarrassed by what she had wrought with “Tina Turns The Country On”, well, that’s a personal thing then, and no one can blame her for feeling that way if she did. But personally I don’t think there’s anything to be embarrassed about in her own unique take on C&W.
However, it is instructive to note that she recorded that album in Inglewood, California, a largely African-American city on the southwest side of Los Angeles, not exactly a hotbed of country music (even with many country nightclubs not all that far away, including of course The Palomino in North Hollywood)–and maybe, just maybe, the powers-that-be in Nashville had a problem with that, as opposed to Tina being African-American. She was operating outside their purview, even though the producer of that album was Tom Thacker, who was based in Nashville.
In any case, more of Tina’s excursions into the country genre getting released publicly would go a long way to get the picture hung straight in terms of her career (IMHO).
May 29, 2023 @ 5:28 pm
If you are a student of country music history, then you might be surprised to learn that there were 10 African American artists that charted on the country Charts in 1944:
King Cole Trio: Straighten Up and Fly Right #1; I Just Can’t See For Lookin’ #2
Louis Jordan: Is You Is Or is You Ain’t My Baby #1; Ration Blues #1; Deacon Jones #7
Ella Fitzgerald: When My Sugar Walks Down the Street #2
Benny Carter & His Orchestra: Hurry Hurry #2
Buddy Johnson & His Orchestra: When My Man Comes Home #2
Cootie Williams & His Orchestra: Red Blues #4
Erskine Hawkins & His Orchestra: Don’t Cry Baby #6
Five Red Caps: I Learned a Lesson I’ll Never Forget #2
Ivie Anderson: Mexico Joe #4
Lucky Millinder & His Orchestra: Sweet Slumber #4
While the above artists would not be considered country artists as their styles were more Jazz/R&B, the fact remains is that they have a place in country music history as charting on the charts. Louis Jordan’s “Deacon Jones” charted exclusively on the country charts while the rest were crossovers. Some can even argue it was due to how the chart data were processed at the time, but the facts still remain.
The last time an African American artist would chart on the country charts was Roy Brown & His Orchestra in 1948 with “‘Fore Day in the Morning” at #12. It wouldn’t be until the 1960s when African American artists would again return to the charts.
Also, the Pointer Sisters remain the only Grammy Winning, African American female group with a top 40 country hit “Fairytale” from 1974. I would love to see Chapel Hart break this record.
If you would like to learn more about Country Music History, I recommend to pick up Joel Whitburn’s Top Country Singles or visit http://www.musicvf.com
I myself would love to see Tina’s country material properly released.
May 29, 2023 @ 10:25 pm
@TXB–Without additional information, it’s hard to see what the signinficance of that is. It’s not like God came down and decreed “This shall be the country music chart.”
All that tells us is that someone made a chart in 1944, called it a “country music chart” and it included the 10 black artists cited. For all we know, it may have been a guy sitting in Billboard’s office in lower Manhattan, New York City, who decided that it would be a good idea to combine reports of rural music from white and black areas in a single chart. It doesn’t tell you that whites in the South were listening to black music.
May 30, 2023 @ 3:45 am
Thank you for the reply Luckyoldsun. The information comes from Billboard. At the time, the charts were known as the “Most Played Juke Box Folk Records” beginning in January 1944. The following is from Wikipedia:
“ In response to the growing popularity of Hillbilly (Country) music, The Billboard’s “Most Played Juke Box Folk Records” chart, began on January 8, 1944, but for reasons unknown, included “Race” records, despite a chart already existing for those. On September 2, race records were abruptly removed, including the two top records from the prior week.”
My point in this was due to how the charting data was done back then, the above artists had a song on the country charts. While it is unknown as to why the songs were charting on the country charts, some extrapolation can be made that the songs were crossover hits, not uncommon with how some pop songs chart Country and vice-versa. The only exception was “Deacon Jones” by Louis Jordan which only charted country.
To sum things up, it may have been an accounting error within Billboard at the time they created a country music chart or perhaps it was just the popularity of the songs at the time as to why they charted as they did. But the fact remains regardless of whichever case it may be, these songs charted on the country charts. This topic may best be left to the journalistic prowess of Trigger to ultimately figure out. But either way, it does make for fascinating country music trivia.
May 30, 2023 @ 6:17 am
Those old charts are interesting. Although 1944 is considered the beginning of the Billboard country chart, Billboard did publish a more informal list of top “hillbilly hits” in 1939-1942 in Billboard’s monthly newsletter. There are some outliers like Romy Gosz polka and Tiny Hill big band, but not the R&B material that was so prevalent on the 1944 chart. There’s a YouTube playlist entitled “1939-1942 Hillbilly Hits” that includes only songs that appeared in those monthly publications. There are just a few songs missing, because they weren’t available on YouTube.
May 30, 2023 @ 7:36 am
“It doesn’t tell you that whites in the South were listening to black music.”
America was listening to Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Pearl Bailey, Moms Mabley, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, & countless acts out of St. Louis, New Orleans, Mississippi, etc.
There is nothing more country than Gospel, Spiritual, and Gullah.
The embodiment of hard working men, women, grandparents, children, and neighbors who worked, and lived off the land.
ALL of America was singing and listening to great music.
June 1, 2023 @ 1:59 pm
ALL of America was listening to Basie and Ella, et al in 1944 and juke boxes everywhere were filled with their music and if you lived in Charleston or Atlanta or Richmond, you could go to the finest concert halls and watch them perform, sitting alongside all others in the community.
Thanks for that sanitized view of American history, Di.
June 1, 2023 @ 5:15 pm
Was talking about families and neighbors picking cotton, farming, etc. working side by side singing a lot of this music.
May 30, 2023 @ 11:20 am
Cootie Williams recorded “Shotgun Boogie,” written by Tennessee Ernie Ford, with Merle Travis’ “Divorce Me, C.O.D.,” on the reverse side for Derby Records in 1950.
May 30, 2023 @ 2:00 am
The RS article is not paywalled for me, and nothing on there ever has been. Not sure if it’s because I’m in the UK.
May 30, 2023 @ 7:15 am
It very well could be, or perhaps you have subscribed to something else that drops the paywall at Rolling Stone as well. The European privacy laws make paywalls much more difficult to implement.
May 30, 2023 @ 4:12 am
i went to Milan earlier this year for a Blackberry Smoke gig and found Tina’s “turns the country on” in a second hand vynil shop. Got it for 20 euros. It’s ok.
May 30, 2023 @ 6:51 am
Why didn’t country music claim her?
Probably because she didn’t continue in the genre full-time?
Should country music also claim Bing Crosby? He had a hit or two on the charts back in the day.
But don’t worry, the Country Music HOF will induct her in 2025 and it will be defended here.
May 30, 2023 @ 3:00 pm
I am always perplexed as to why Tina was bigger in Europe. I know after her 40s Madonna was also bigger in Europe. It seems older acts can have more pull abroad. Much like black acts of the early jazz and blues days of the 20th century had more pull in Europe.
June 3, 2023 @ 7:46 am
Keep up the great Journalism Trigger! Was long time subscriber to R.S. No value to anything they say anymore. No idea what communism has to do with this, I suppose another conspiracy. Grew up in Ky.,for Pete’s Dylan and others were literally sneaking in and out of Nashville in the 60’s. Same old B.S. with Waylon,Kris,Emmy Lou and the crew. A lot of artists have made country albums and didn’t get recognized for it. This is not to take away from anyone ‘s accomplishments! Artists like Cash embraced those Outsiders. Petty and the H.B.s were Cash’s studio band for an entire album and he wanted them to go on tour with him! Steve Earle,another great has done pretty much the same and in my opinion has never been credited for it. He does it for the music! I assumed that was what SAV is about and Trigger does a tremendous job writing, keeps it from going off the rails! I have never posted a comment until this morning, never had a social media account. He’ll I still don’t own a computer! Some comments though,?
June 4, 2023 @ 2:42 am
I’d never heard any of Tina Turner’s country music until I found one of her songs by accident. I was looking for “Steamy Windows” by John Anderson on a streaming service and Tina Turner’s version came up first.
It wasn’t released as country, but as blues rock, and was written by none other than Tony Joe White, but it would not have been out of place on 80s country radio, and would be “too country” for modern country radio.
I already enjoyed various other Tina Turner songs, but that instantly became a new favorite, because it was so different than anything else I’d heard of hers, and was so good. I was unaware until now of her country album, having been born a decade after it’s release, but now I’m going to seek it out.
June 15, 2023 @ 3:23 pm
Trigger, can we just ban Honky at this point?
He never contributes anything but nonsense, political bullshit and arguments to the comment section!