Jukely Could Bring Subscription Dilemma to Live Music

The one last bastion of revenue for music that has remained however has been live concerts. While sales and revenue for recorded music have dwindled sharply, ticket prices have remained strong and allowed artists that would otherwise not be able to make a living playing music to continue the pursuit and help pay for recording production. But a new company and a new service could inject the subscription dilemma into the live concert space as well, potentially creating the same unsustainable paradigm plaguing recorded music.
Jukely is what it is called, and it is the first of its kind to offer a $25 a month subscription for access to live music events. Subscribers pay the monthly fee, and then can reserve their seat at any concert that falls under the Jukely network. At the moment the reach of Jukely is very very small. Its current pilot program launched on October 8th only covers New York City and roughly 17 participating venues. But this is not some boutique NYC membership club offering a specialized service for a select few. Jukely has its eyes set on becoming the Spotify of live music, and has plans to expand to more venues and more cities in the future.
The story of Jukely plays out very similarly to the tech startups on the music streaming side. This isn’t a few music nerds brainstorming in their apartment, this is venture capitalist endeavor that hopes to implement its service all across the country and world and make millions for its backers. It was founded in 2012 by Andrew Cornett and Bora Celik when they secured $800,000 in “seed” money to flesh out their idea. Subsequently they have raised $2.4 million more in seed funding from investors. So yes, Juekly is aiming big.
Another indication that Jukely is looking to become the Spotify of live music is the list of investors putting their money on the startup. Prominent Spotify investor Pär-Jörgen Pärson of Northzone Growth Investors is behind Jukely, and so is Larry Marcus of Walden Venture Capitalists who is a player in Pandora. Hany Nada of GGV Capitol, an investor in SoundCloud, is also on board, and so are many other important capitol players in the music-meets-tech realm. Jukely founder Andrew Cornett was one of the original people involved in the rollout of the crowd funding site Kickstarter.
Jukely calls itself a “a social concert discovery and recommendation service,” and started as a way to track and sync up location data and music taste data to make recommendations to consumers about upcoming concerts. “Jukely Unlimited,” is the name of new service the company is offering, and is part and parcel with their data service. People can only participate if they are invited in at the moment. Once Jukely has their live music subscription service secured in NYC, they want to try it next in Los Angeles, with the idea of branching out to other cities in the future. Subscribers can reserve access to and attend an unlimited amount of concerts per month as long as they fall within the Jukely network.
“We created Jukely to make it easier for music fans around the world to discover and enjoy new live music, and with Jukely Unlimited we couldn’t be more excited to take this to the next level by offering unlimited concerts in your area,” said Jukely Co-Founder Bora Celik in a statement released during the rollout. “Jukely Unlimited couldn’t be easier to use it even does the planning on its own and presents subscribers with the option to attend a broad range of shows!”
Many questions linger on just exactly how Jukely could affect the live concert experience for average consumers and artists across the country. Under the Jukely Unlimited system, venues take a share of the subscription revenues proportional with the amount of attendees to the shows, and then this revenue is passed along to the performers just like regular box office revenue. But would the amount of money Jukely subscribers generate for venues and performers be proportionally less than what general admission patrons generate? This is the current problem with Spotify and Pandora—that the amount of revenue generated from listens doesn’t add up to what physical sales constitute. The other problem is by adding a third party, that is another mouth to feed from the money generated at a given concert. Not only does Jukely have to pay a fair portion of the subscription dollars to the venues and artists, they have to pay themselves.
If Jukely entices patrons to attend more shows, this could mean more fans for bands, and more alcohol sales for venues. But if a subscriber attends two $20 ticket shows in a month, or three $10 shows, this already means less revenue moving into the system from admission prices. Some concern has also been shown that Jukely subscribers can reserve space at an upcoming concert that may sell out, but don’t necessarily have to attend. Since it is free, there is no risk to the subscriber. This means valuable space could go unoccupied when there’s still a demand for it by non Jukely subscribers.
Saving Country Music emissary Aaron Bennett reached out to Jukely to raise the concern about less revenue being remitted to bands through the Jukely system. “Artists will be increasing their revenues as our system is designed to work on top of ticket sales, and not replace them,” said Jukely founder Bora Celik. When further prompted with the scenario of a concert goer who would regularly pay $15 to see numerous concerts in a month that would be paying significantly less under the Jukely system, and how the end result would invariably mean less money being generated, Bora Celik replied, “We have data on the contrary. Let’s agree to disagree.”
Just like with Spotify and Pandora, the idea that is sold to artists and the industry is that the exposure the service offers is more valuable than any lost revenue from lower rates of return. But without mass participation by consumers or higher payouts by these companies, the revenue generated is still not enough to create sustainable scenarios for artists. Will Jukely, and potential rival companies that may pop up pose a similar dilemma for the live music space? We can’t assume it will, but it is most certainly worth watching, especially before it is implemented en masse. Meanwhile services like Spotify and Pandora continue to struggle to present sustainable business models themselves, and are beset with lawsuits and the threat of governmental intrusion as the music industry fights back in the face of lost revenue.
October 18, 2014 @ 8:13 am
I don’t think it would affect the concert going market that much. The people that would watch are the people that for one reason or another can’t go. Look at independent wrestling. They had the same kind of worry when they went to live iPPV years ago, however their attendance actually increased due to a larger number of fans being able to see their product live. The only thing that decreased were event DVD sales as fans would buy the live stream instead. In my experience it is largely fans who either live out of market or can’t go for some reason or have been on the fence about going who buy live streams to events like this. I don’t think artists would have to worry about attendance.
October 18, 2014 @ 8:31 am
First off, I would task you to go re-read this article. This is not a streaming webcast video service. This is a service that allows human bodies to enter venues in person in an unlimited capacity for a subscription fee. So the wrestling analogy doesn’t really pertain here.
But since you brought it up, I agree that broadcasting live events likely does not affect the attendance to said events, and may even help promote them. But this is because nothing can replace the experience of being there. That is why live music has eluded the tech movement. And that is also why this new subscription is so scary if it is not implemented in a way that is beneficial to artists. It very well could be like the founder says, but I think the conscientious music world must be engaged with this issue from the beginning to help ensure this.
October 18, 2014 @ 8:34 am
Ah…..sorry. I did misread. That is an interesting thing then. When I saw it, I thought they were going to do a subscription service for webcasts…..and something like that, not a subscription service for concert tickets. I blame it being early on Saturday morning.
October 18, 2014 @ 8:59 am
It’s an interesting little business they got going on there. If an artist is still getting the same (or more) amount of money for their shows then it’s no problem with me. I’m sure they’ll eventually find a way to f$#k the artist though.
October 18, 2014 @ 10:40 am
Any time you have some spokes-hole proclaiming [i]”We created [brand-name] to…”[/i], if the rest of that sentence is anything but, “to make a ton of money.” they’re just lying.
All of this tech crap exists for the sole purpose of making a few people rich – and none of those people have ANYTHING to do with music.
All I can say, is I hope it tanks – bad. But it probably won’t. If there’s one thing people love, it’s more ways to sit on their lazy asses and get more for less.
October 18, 2014 @ 12:44 pm
“This means valuable space could go unoccupied when there”™s still a demand for it by non Jukely subscribers.”
Like airlines are doing now for customers, Jukely could (and probably will) implement a “check-in” feature for subscribers. Airlines use this feature to make sure customers are still on track to make their flight (and choose their seat). Jukely can do the same thing. If the fans don’t check in, then the seats could be released to the general public. This can help stop people from choosing 25 concerts while only actually attending 6 and blocking others who actually want to go to those other 19.
There’s no doubt that this will be a cash cow. But it should give consumers another outlet for access to tickets that they otherwise would miss out on during a 10AM on sale mad rush, or paying three times face value in the secondary market.
October 18, 2014 @ 1:35 pm
It stinks. It’s one more group…fan club, promoter, radio, sponsor…that gets a crack at the best seats and leaves everyone else out or scrambling for tickets from Ebay or a broker.
If shows are selling well, why give someone else a pice of the pie?
October 18, 2014 @ 2:20 pm
So let me get this straight, artists are angry about the very small residuals they are receiving. With the cost of a concert ticket thru the roof, the artists & music industry is going to now allow someone a cut of their live gate?! Seems to me artists just getting more stupid everyday! Or is it the music industry that thinks we’re so stupid they can manipulate us for more, all while feeding us the worst music EVER in the history if ALL music! Pretty soon listening to music is going to be like buying an NFL ticket, you have to buy a Personal Seat License just to listen to the radio! Or worse, are we as people entitled this asinine BS all the time? Is this the equivalent of slipping a 20 to the door man? Thank god for dive bars, and A&R men with no taste!
October 18, 2014 @ 3:01 pm
Just another mouth to feed is right. Another subscription service with a stupidone word name designed to make some suit/techie/whatever rich. Fuck off jukely, nice try.
And if god forbid this piece of crap is successful, wait until live nation creates their version called “gigger” or “livemusichog” and cuts subscription rates to only $10 a month.
Everybody wants a piece, everybody get in line
October 18, 2014 @ 3:24 pm
My concern is less about the ones who sign up and don’t attend and more about the ones that do attend who aren’t already fans. I go to, and have been to, a lot of concerts and the experience is getting more miserable each time I go. I saw the Avett Brothers last night at The Louisville Palace. It’s a really nice theater and they did three nights, all of which sold out. And at a minimum $55 a ticket coupled with the “fancy” venue you’d think that people might be on their best behavior. I had to ask multiple people around me to either put down their giant iPhone 6+ or just stop having loud conversations with their neighbor. As hard as I tried i couldn’t fully enjoy myself.
Now enter Jukely where any schmuck with a subscription and nothing to do can wander in at no cost. What are the odds that these people will behave any better than those who paid full price to get in? I think they’ve just found a way to make the concert-going experience even more infuriating. Now would you kindly get off my lawn?
October 18, 2014 @ 8:02 pm
Man – those damn phones have made it so I won’t go to any concert anymore. Waylon could come back for one more and I’d pass. I’ve even started bashing people at MY shows for doing it. Screw it. If they never come back and they tell the friends they were texting, and they never come to my shows either – I win. Not money, but I win all the same. And the people who actually come to see me play – not to dick around on Facebook…they win too.
October 20, 2014 @ 9:27 am
“Now enter Jukely where any schmuck with a subscription and nothing to do can wander in at no cost. ”
I don’t think this is the case. Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but the way I read it the subscriber would still have to buy a ticket; the Jukely subscription only ensures that the subscriber would have a ticket reserved if he or she does choose to attend.
Not defending the setup by any means, just trying to clarify that one point.
October 18, 2014 @ 8:18 pm
This is terrible news for fans. If this catches on, and I doubt it will for this very reason, you would have to have a subscription to this company, on top of buying the tickets to go see the shows. Also not a very viable business plan for going big, simply because what happens if they have too many subscribers that want to get into a single show. Not only would non subscribers be left out, but so would some subscribers. Very doubtful this will gain any traction, but we will see.
October 19, 2014 @ 5:07 am
One could argue that the latest round of internet trends, uber taxi, air b&b, spotify, etc, seem to be about taking a % of everything we do and transferring the money from local economies to silicon valley venture capitalists. If there ever was a bunch of fat cats who needed their ears boxed it’s taxi drivers, b&b owners and musicians.
October 19, 2014 @ 8:25 am
I assume this is aimed at small venues that are cash strapped anyhow, not big places like the House of Blues, which is why it sucks, because the limiting factor for attendance at those sorts of shows is not the $15 or $20 you pay to get it. It’s that going out to live music on a weekday night means getting home at 1AM, waking up possibly with a sore head, etc.
That’s what I mean by there being a finite audience for that stuff. The last live show I went to was a metal band called “Black Crown Initiate” — probably the most interesting, different, and exciting new American death metal band to arise in the past five years, just releasing their first full length album, and opening for an established, well regarded, and similar band called “Rivers of Nihil.” Anyhow there were like maybe 20 people there, at $15 each. No one’s making money that way except possibly the bar owner. I think if that show had no door fee at all there might be five more people. The kind of people who go to a shitty bar in Providence on a Tuesday night to see a show that begins at 9:00 and ends at 12:30 aren’t going or not going over $15, is my point, so I hope this company dies and that the investors lose all their money.
PS Trigger — thanks for the shout out! I’m going to start signing all my posts this way from now on…
-Aaron
Saving Country Music Emissary
October 22, 2014 @ 8:51 am
This feel a little like the old “sure you do not make much (or anything) but think of all the exposure you’ll get.”
May 26, 2015 @ 7:33 am
The future of music industry in 50 years.
Terrible, terrible music on the radio.
Bunch of amateurs on stage pressing buttons to a terrible, terrible music.
Serious musicians not being able to pay the rent. Composers working in car dealers and hence , not composing.
Wait… Isn’t it happening already ?