No Distinction In Natalie Maines’ Anti-Country Comments

The problem is not Natalie Maines’ post-country comments themselves. Many of them are completely true, and that’s why they upset and scare so many. The problem is the collateral damage they cause because she doesn’t offer any distinction between mainstream radio country, and the rest of the genre that represents tremendous creativity, subtly, open-mindedness, and sonic innovation.
Many of Natalie’s sentiments are ones that Saving Country Music makes on a regular basis to the point of being redundant, but not without qualifying where they are being directed, like at the money changers on Music Row for example, or a speicific artist or a specific song. Natalie on the other hand seems to be lumping all of country music together and then setting it on fire, including a remarkable and inspiring new wellspring of female talent in the form of artists like Kellie Pickler, Ashley Monroe, Caitlin Rose, Kacey Musgraves, and others that are starting to inject new life into country, and deconstruct many of the mores that led to the destruction of The Dixie Chicks in the first place.
Specifically to the “War on Nashville,” lumping Nashville in with the mainstream country music industry is an outmoded and unhelpful way of couching things. It discounts the burgeoning east Nashville scene, the contributions to music from artists of other genres, and the independent music role models like Jack White that now call the city home.
One of the most important elements for artists in any genre is authenticity, and the more anti-country statements Natalie makes, the more it erodes the legacy of The Dixie Chicks and the meaning behind their songs, whether Maines’ heart was into the music in the first place, or not. It’s not that Maines doesn’t have the benefit of perspective. Her father Lloyd Maines has worked with many creative and heartfelt independent country artists over the years as a producer and steel guitar player. The Dixie Chicks hit “Long Time Gone” written by Darrell Scott tackled how Nashville had become too polished and had lost touch with its roots.
Maines has every right to carry a grudge after the way The Dixie Chicks were black balled and battered with death threats. But I’m afraid that she’s now beginning to identify herself with conflict. However right Natalie was, as soon as you believe that you’re fundamentally a better person than anyone else, you tend to cease to be. Natalie Maines is justified in being angry at a lot off different people for a lot of reasons. But the artists and entities of country music that had nothing to do with a conflict a decade ago and are trying to turn the tide of mainstream country and tackle the very same criticisms Natalie is making, need help and inspiration from some one like Natalie Maines, not a berating.
May 31, 2013 @ 4:17 pm
Torpedoed their career? Wrong times a billion. First album after incident: Taking the long way.” Wiki:
“Taking the Long Way debuted at number one on both the U.S. pop albums chart and the U.S. country albums chart, selling 526,000 copies in the first week (the year’s second-best such total for any country act) and making it a gold record within its first week, despite having little or no airplay in areas that had once embraced them. The Chicks became the first female band in chart history to have three albums debut at No. 1.”
May 31, 2013 @ 5:06 pm
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/destroying-the-dixie-chicks-ten-years-after
“The controversy also created positive sentiment and appeal for The Dixie Chicks that it wasn”™t there before. Their album Taking The Long Way won 2007 Grammy Awards for Album of the Year, Record of the Year, and Song of the Year; something that was likely not possible without the sentimental vote by the greater recording industry. Outlets like NPR who would have never touched the Dixie Chicks”™ music before the boycott began playing them in regular rotation. Taking The Long Way went 5 times platinum eventually, partially on the support of people who sympathized with the Dixie Chicks politically.”
That’s the thing. Maines is mad because the Dixie Chicks got torpedoed because of her Bush comments, when they didn’t. The only thing that was significantly effected was their ability to sell out arenas and stadiums on tour. If they wanted to continue, they could have sold out large theaters till kingdom come, and maybe even worked up to arenas again. But it’s almost like Maines and The Dixie Chicks identified with being victims as opposed to trying to continue to make it work, or if it wouldn’t work on a grand level, it wasn’t worth their time.
June 1, 2013 @ 6:36 am
No, it torpedoed their career. TTLWH only sold around 2 million copies; their previous three albums had all sold upwards of 6 million copies.”Home” was on the way to that mark, and by March 2003 it had sold over 6 million copies. On March 10, 2003, Maines made her comments. This caused their current number-one single, “Travelin’ Solider”, to drop from number one to number three, and then off the chart entirely. Their next single off the album missed the top 40 entirely, and their final one didn’t even chart at all. Their album received no more certifications, meaning the previously brisk album sales (6 million sold from September to March) halted entirely.
May 31, 2013 @ 4:17 pm
“At the 49th Grammy Awards Show on February 11, 2007, the group won all five categories for which they were nominated, including the top awards of Song of the Year and Record of the Year, both for “Not Ready to Make Nice”, and Album of the Year, for Taking the Long Way.”
June 3, 2013 @ 9:46 am
Same Grammys that gave Jethro Tull the best hard rock/metal album? There’s some cred…
May 31, 2013 @ 4:24 pm
Ah, you know your complaint about the “blatant” comment is fair enough on its face, but I think you have to put a lot of context around that. Natalie maines KNOWS country music, and certainly knows how good it can be. Pretty sure her father instilled that, and her life and music says that.
Fair enough, but I think she knows all this.
May 31, 2013 @ 5:11 pm
Then why doesn’t she say that? That would make her comments powerful instead of polarizing. Country folks are up in arms right now over her comments, instead of applauding her for saying what is true.
May 31, 2013 @ 6:05 pm
What about the possibility that this is somewhat of a Rolling Stone set up? For starters, I read the article and “declaring war on Nashville” seems way over the top.
May 31, 2013 @ 6:12 pm
I thought of this too, and this has happened many times before with The Rolling Stone. They published an article written by Ethan Hawke that was complete bullshit about a Toby Keith / Kris Kristofferson argument. And then there was the thing with General McCrystal. And then the Eric Church comments. The Rolling Stone likes attention, and likes to sensationalize things.
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/why-toby-keith-i-dont-read-the-rolling-stone
However this is just par for the course when it comes to Natalie. She’s made similar statements, without going out of her way to make distinctions time and time again. What does she think about Kacey Musgraves? Does she even know who that is? Does she listen to enough country music to give an informed opinion?
May 31, 2013 @ 6:26 pm
“Does she listen to enough country music to give an informed opinion?”
That’s a good question. In the article, she portrays herself as someone who would skip over her Dad’s country albums to get to the singer songwriter stuff and that she had never bought a country album in her life nor listened listened to one all the way through.
May 31, 2013 @ 5:55 pm
I think that I expressed my opinion on this topic about a year ago but here it comes again. Her comments regarding President Bush were upsetting to some but Natalie’s big mistake was thinking that the Hollywood crowd who cheered her remarks actually bought her music and attended her concerts. Country music fans will support you forever but when thrown under the bus……never forget!
June 1, 2013 @ 6:16 am
That’s pretty much what I’ve always said.Hollywood (and Liberals across the country for that much) used them for their agenda, which was to bash GWB for anything and everything. Useful idiots,period…Why didn’t these same people buy tickets to their shows?
May 31, 2013 @ 7:17 pm
I’m pretty much in agreement with you, Trig — while I’m at least as much a fan of pop/rock as I am of country, I’m rather disappointed to hear the (ex?) frontwoman of my favorite country group painting her former genre with such a broad brush.
Such lack of nuance and distinction in her argument, I’m afraid, makes her sound not that much better than many of her critics — those who were keen to dump on the whole band, dismissing their worth as musicians and as human beings, because of the words of one member.
Granted, I’m sure 99% of those critics would still hold a grudge against Natalie no matter what she were to say or do, even if she weren’t still making these kinds of comments — but I just think it’s a shame she has to sink to their level rather than taking the high road and being the bigger person.
And yeah, I’ve also thought about how it would be nice if she could open her mind a bit — take a listen to Kacey, Kellie, the Pistol Annies (as well as solo Ashley and Miranda), and check out what’s happening on the fringes and maybe the underground too.
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On a lighter note, I heard earlier today that Natalie’s fellow Chicks Emily and Martie — the Court Yard Hounds — will be releasing their second album (just in time for my birthday, I might add):
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-615/1565461/court-yard-hounds-to-release-amelita-in-july
I thought their self-titled debut had a very nice sound, if a bit lacking in memorable tunes (except for the rocking “Ain’t No Son”). The promise of “more fun” on the new album makes me hope for some catchier songs this time.
May 31, 2013 @ 8:41 pm
Were these broads really so great that I should give a shit about them all these years later? Didn’t seem like it to me at the time, but then again it was probably just before the height of their success that I gave up on modern day country… before Hank 3 brought me back. She just about always seems to come across as a bitch though.
June 1, 2013 @ 6:31 pm
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Any comments or career moves or new albums or changing genres by Natalie Maines will not and can not make her seem relevant or compelling as an artist or performer. Not to me at least. Not as long as there are artists and songwriters like Rachel Brooke or Lonesome Wyatt or go down the list. I haven’t cared about that gal since I was a middle-aged white woman listening to NPR. Plus I have more respect for the musical opinions and views on this site than anything published in an old yellow rag like Rolling Stone.
June 6, 2013 @ 6:31 am
Well, Trigger had their Home album in his best albums of the last decade list. My wife likes a lot of mainstream country and has a few of their CDs, but I had never listened to them, figuring that even though it might be good for mainstream country, it still wouldn’t be for me (Trigger’s praise notwithstanding).
I finally decided to listen to Home last night. I think it’s a fine album and I wish I had given it a chance sooner. Nice mix of traditional country, bluegrass and Americana. I’ll have to give Fly and Wide Open Spaces a listen now.
I think Natalie Maines is a fine country singer. But how she could sing a song like Darrell Scott’s Long Time Gone and then later make the categorical statement that country music songs aren’t poetic or subtle is beyond me.
June 10, 2013 @ 11:36 pm
Ah, “broads” and “bitch.” What a classy person you are.
And you wonder why Natalie is still so bitter about country music and its audience, when it is full of people like you.
June 1, 2013 @ 5:23 am
Off topic from this a bit but I think on a brighter note, there is a pretty in depth piece this week in the NY Times Sunday Magazine featuring Jason Isbell, his recovery and his upcoming album. Not every day that you get a national publication like this featuring someone like Jason rather than, say, Blake Shelton.
Really can’t wait for it to get here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/magazine/jason-isbell-unloaded.html?ref=magazine
Love this quote:
Talking about the record, Justin Townes Earle said to me: “You know, when I sit around and talk with Jason, he can sound, just as I can, like a dumb redneck. But put him on paper, or behind a guitar, and he can fly.”
June 1, 2013 @ 9:27 am
I have that linked up in the news stream. That is why I keep telling folks, Americana is blowing up, and whether it is the AMA nominating the same 9 people for all of their awards annually, Jayke Orvis not releasing his music digitally, or whatever example you want to use, Americana is a hot item right now and it needs to stop acting like this quint little genre for an elite few and start using this opportunity to build infrastructure before the wide public and their dollars go elsewhere. Traci Thomas (Isbell’s manager) and Thirty Tigers are on a roll right now and doing some amazing, amazing things. It’s time for others to step up. This is a unique time and opportunity.
June 3, 2013 @ 11:15 am
You can stream his new album on MTV today:
http://www.mtvhive.com/2013/06/03/jason-isbell-southeastern/
I’m about halfway through. Pretty badass so far.
June 3, 2013 @ 12:03 pm
Holy songwriter, batman! The new album is awesome.
June 1, 2013 @ 8:53 am
This made me think of a really good interview with Mike Cooley of the Drive-By Truckers. At about 7:20, he makes some similar points, but it’s very clear that he’s talking about a subset of mainstream country and he goes into much greater detail as to why it makes him “sick.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJUwy72kXko
June 1, 2013 @ 8:55 am
I was a big fan of the Dixie Chicks and didn’t care about the whole blow up and was sorry to see these three talented musicians being ignored. The sadder part though was with their snubbing, radio was quick to embrace the wretched Rascal Flatts to fill the void left by the Dixie Chicks.
June 1, 2013 @ 11:11 am
Two things I’d like to point out:
1. The Dixie Chicks are TECHNICALLY still together, just inactive. I watched part of an interview with Maines and Ellen Degeneres and she said as much. The question was a direct prod at the status of the group and Maines response was a direct answer in the form of confirmation that the band still existed. She even mentions playing a handful of shows “this summer.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJyK9vF-PUk (Near the end of the episode).
2. You seem to think that Natalie Maines is targeting mainstream radio country and simply not stating it. It sounds to me like she’s just generalizing ALL country music, not singling out Nashville and being vague about it.
June 2, 2013 @ 11:53 pm
Great article Trigger Man! Very thoughtful and informative.
June 3, 2013 @ 9:52 am
Speaking of Lefty Marxists, I’m just digging in to the newest Steve Earle album. My quick impression is that it’s his best offering in a number of years.
June 4, 2013 @ 5:42 pm
Good to know! He’ s my all-time favorite barking moonbat!
June 3, 2013 @ 10:47 am
I agree. For me, it’s easily his best album of originals since Transcendental Blues.
June 3, 2013 @ 2:49 pm
while i like some music promoted by NPR, i found most NPR listeners to be pretentious who cares more about the artists’ political and religious leanings than the art itself.
September 3, 2013 @ 6:41 pm
Can you blame her? Consider the way the Chicks were treated compared to Hank Jr.
Hank said much worse, combine that with his history of racially charged rhetoric, it is telling as to why kind of people exist within the country establishment.
Coming from the Northeast, I never had a love affair with country, and never will.
If the entire culture disappeared at this point, it would be for the better of society.
March 30, 2014 @ 2:38 pm
She just got too big for her britches and it came back to bite her. She wasn’t the goddess she thought she was…
December 11, 2014 @ 11:43 am
You are free to express yourself in whatever manner you see fit. I am – however – not required to hear you, or give your particular opinion weight. I am also free to exhibit my expression by closing my wallet. Welcome to America. Speak your mind girl, and then quit bitching about the consequences.