What Happened To Tyler Mahan Coe of “Cocaine & Rhinestones”?
Warning: Language
I’ve been following Tyler Mahan Coe, at least virtually, for a pretty long time, since way before his popular Cocaine & Rhinestones podcast started in late 2017. I want to say it was 2011 or 2012 when we first exchanged emails. And from the beginning, it was patently clear to me that he was much more than just David Allan Coe’s son. With the sort of grimy environment you might surmise exists around David Allan Coe, and with Tyler playing guitar in his dad’s band since he was 15, you might think Coe would turn out to be some common bumpkin character or something (if you hadn’t heard his podcast first, of course). But that wasn’t the case at all. Way before Cocaine & Rhinestones, he proved himself articulate and thoughtful, wise beyond his years, and possibly most surprisingly, measured.
This became most evident in 2013 in the aftermath of a bad accident David Allan Coe suffered in Florida, where his 2011 black Suburban was broadsided by a semi truck, and the Outlaw country legend was carted off to the hospital where he spent four days in recovery from multiple injuries. Four months later, I witnessed David Allan Coe play one of his very first gigs back at Willie Nelson’s 4th of July Picnic, held that year at Billy Bob’s Texas in Ft. Worth. David Allan Coe came out on stage and said sternly about the aftermath of his accident, “I’ve got to tell you that everybody quit me, except my wife. She’s the only one that didn’t quit. My road manager of 35 years, he quit me. My band quit me.”
This hypothetically included Tyler Mahan Coe, who was still playing guitar for his father at this time. It was in the aftermath of the Florida accident where there two Coe’s parted ways. But of course there are two sides to every story, and Tyler Mahan Coe’s side was completely different. Instead, he implicated his father’s new wife at the time as a controlling individual who had used the accident as the opportunity to consolidate power over the David Allan Coe estate.
Tyler was clearly unnerved by my reporting of what his father had said. I wasn’t taking sides, I was just reporting what David Allan Coe had said. Tyler’s name wasn’t even mentioned in the article. Nonetheless, I told Tyler that if he wanted to release a statement to tell his side of the story, or to contribute an article to Saving Country Music autonomously about the matter, he had an open invitation to do so. Instead, he chose to address the situation some months later on his own blog Baby Black Windows. It was here where Coe showed both a high amount of intelligence and wisdom that proved to myself and many others that he was more than just his father’s son. Instead of lashing out in anger, he explained his side of the story with cool-minded wisdom, yet authority, and in a situation that was very intimate and sticky to Coe personally. At the time was also running sort of a social media company, and a funny idea called drunkmall.com. He was industrious, naturally entertaining, intelligent, and trying to find his place in the world.
After the David Allan Coe accident in Florida and the aftermath, I didn’t have much interaction with Tyler for a while. We did converse around 2015 when he was helping his sister Tanya Montana Coe release a record. And then in late 2017, the Cocaine & Rhinestones podcast showed up kind of out of nowhere. From the very first episode, the podcast proved itself to be the historical country music forum we’d all didn’t know we needed, but had been waiting all our lives for. Tyler had a small, but decent and dedicated social media following at this point, partly due to his clever use of words and keen insight, and probably helped along by having a famous last name, which always comes in handy in country music. Almost immediately after the first Cocaine & Rhinestones episode, I had readers reaching out to me, imploring for me to check it out. So I did, and like many, was impressed. Tyler Coe himself also reached out to me with an email, letting me know about the podcast on October 31st. I won’t post the whole email, but here’s the gist:
Hi Kyle,
I looked through all my email addresses but couldn’t find the one I
had for you. Hopefully this contact form is still a good way to reach
you.For the last 6 months, I’ve been teaching myself how to create a
podcast in order to start one dedicated solely to the history of
country music. It’s called Cocaine & Rhinestones…..The show was added to iTunes today or you can stream episodes in their
companion blog posts on cocaineandrhinestones.com (I should mention,
every episode will have a full transcript on the site for people who
can’t or won’t listen to podcasts.)I know you don’t do interviews but if you want any more information
from me, feel free to ask. I can set you up with preview links to the
next two episodes – Spade Cooley, Bobbie Gentry – if you’d like. Let
me know if you want show artwork for anything.Cheers,
-TMC
At the time I was busy with more pressing issues, but I posted a quick article promoting and condoning the podcast on November 4th, 2017. At that point, this was the only press the podcast had received. Then in late November, even though I had already written about Cocaine & Rhinestones previously, I doubled down with my vehement approval and recommendation that readers check it out. This is how much I believed in Tyler Coe, and what he was doing. In fact there was a bit of a funny exchange between myself, a reader, and Tyler Coe on Facebook about it:
And everything seemed hunky dory. Obviously Cocaine & Rhinestones turned out to be a big hit. Tyler went onto be featured in The New York Times, The New Yorker, The Wall Street Journal, and other big periodicals. It was a big success for Tyler, and for the preservation and interest in country music history.
(As an aside, please don’t characterize as if I’m trying to take some sort of credit for Tyler Mahan Coe’s success. Though I would like to think some of those Roman candles shooting out of my ass helped to light the spark, the success is all owed to Tyler. Saving Country Music, as always, is just a stepping stone.)
But since the explosion of Cocaine & Rhinestones, something has changed in Tyler Mahan Coe, and pretty dramatically. That guy who seemed curiously well-adjusted, articulate, wise, and even-keeled for the Coe blood coursing through his veins all of a sudden started living up to the type of guy you feared he could be when you first heard he was the son of David Allan. The success of Cocaine & Rhinestones seemed to go to his head quite quickly. Granted, it was a very big success. But that success so far has been compartmentalized in 14 episodes of a podcast that hasn’t posted a new entry in over 1 1/2 years— his “Your Favorite Band Sucks” podcasts, which are not nearly as valuable or well-produced notwithstanding.
Tyler makes his money off the Cocaine & Rhinestones podcast via Pateron, where he has 1,445 supporters at the moment. On his Patreon, he’s gives patrons updates on his progress, including dropping the nugget recently that the next season of the podcast will be solely dedicated to songs of George Jones. Seeing how the smallest tier of support is only $2, if everyone was only paying at this entry level, Tyler Coe is making $2,890/month to take over 1 1/2 years to produce new episodes. Say the real average Patreon is $5 a month. That would be $7,225.00 a month. If it is $10, that would be $14,450 a month. That’s quite a decent haul. Granted, you’ve got to make it to spend it. Research materials, equipment, overhead, and many other costs must go into the Tyler Mahan Coe operation. But nonetheless, Tyler Mahan Coe is likely making a lot of money on a podcast that hasn’t released a new episode in going on two years.
No doubt, at some point Tyler Mahan Coe will release new episodes of the Cocaine & Rhinestone’s podcast. There’s also no doubt they will be awesome, at least if form holds from the 14 episodes of season 1. Tyler Mahan Coe is very good at what he does, which is why so many support him financially. Tyler has said he’s dedicating even more time and research to each episode for season 2, and sees this as his life’s work.
But the situation poses many questions about the efficacy of Patreon, and how often the forum is given credit for stifling the creativity or enthusiasm of creators by not incentivizing output, but simply popularity. Some creators have abandoned the format for these very reasons, while many donors don’t even notice the incremental debits automatically deducted from their checking account each month for something that’s not delivering output. Then again, if you can juice a Patreon account in your favor, it’s a good way to make a living.
But Tyler Coe’s lack of output or Patreon income is not what’s most alarming. That would be designated to his online presence on social media, where he’s gone from a critical and important ambassador for the cause of classic country music by preserving and spreading its important and intriguing history, to a fetid troll and unmistakable asshole running down others to bolster his own ego and persona. Some, probably many will say, “Hey, he’s the son of David Allan Coe. What do you expect?” But not only is this excusing shitty behavior, it’s also mostly untrue. The persona of David Allan Coe has always been alarmingly misunderstood, despite the rough exterior. Perhaps his incessant self-aggrandizing pompousness is the apple not falling too far from the tree. But the way Tyler Mahan Coe is regularly running down other musicians is something David Allan Coe never engaged in. In fact, Coe is famous for shouting out and helping to prop up other musicians from all genres.
Gram Parsons, David Crosby, The Grateful Dead, Frank Zappa, Tom Waits, The Beatles, R.E.M., The Band, Peter Gabriel, Stevie Ray Vaughan, The Stooges, Big Star, and other important and influential bands of American music have been personally and incessantly run down and dragged by Tyler Mahan Coe regularly in the time period since he released his last Cocaine & Rhinestones episode in January of 2018. In fact, that’s virtually all Tyler Mahan Coe posts—arrogant, down-looking, insulting and accusatory missives. It would be one thing if it was the occasional tweet meant as sarcasm. For Tyler Mahan Coe, running others down is his daily routine, and sole social media output.
“David Crosby has me blocked because I can’t stop reminding the world how luck he, a talentless hack, was to be in bands with others who had great talents…So I can see what Roger [McGuinn] is responding to because fuck David Crosby,” Tyler posted on Twitter on March 24th—one of over a dozen tweets running down the folk rock legend.
There are scores of non country musicians that Tyler Coe has chosen to publicly run down (see more examples below), and completely autonomous from his “You Favorite Band Sucks” podcast. But it’s not just relegated to music personalities. Tyler Coe has also famously taken on Malcolm Gladwell of the “Revisionist History” podcast, who also dabbles in music podcasting. This season, Gladwell’s “Broken Record” podcast featured the Love Junkies songwriting trio (Lori McKenna, Liz Rose, and Hillary Lindsey), as well as Mary Gauthier’s important and award winning project, Rifles and Rosary Beads. Coe’s criticisms of Gladwell’s take on certain topics may be fair. But instead of engaging in dialog, Coe lashes out with immature and unnecessary anger. Coe also spends lots of time promoting how big his podcast is, while running down others who appear in his same category.
“Here’s something I keep saying in interviews because it’s true but nobody has printed it: fuck Malcolm Gladwell,” Coe said on Twitter in May of 2018.
Coe has also gone after the general public, many of whom simply reach out to him with questions on country music.
“If you’re dumb, I’m coming for you. I’ll make you meet me on my terms and I’ll show the world exactly how fucking stupid you are because this is bigger than both of us,” he tweeted once.
On another occasion Coe simply posted, “Telling people to go fuck themselves is a public service.”
He also attacked the title of the latest Mike and the Moonpies album Steak Night at the Prairie Rose in response to a tweet from the band’s guitar player Caitlin Rutherford. “Isn’t that title the joke about buttfucking though?”
And again, these are not selective social media posts. This is basically all Tyler Mahan Coe does. He has also been especially vile towards Luke Bryan.
“If you work with Luke Bryan and you think we’re going to work together someday, it’s hilarious how hard you should go fuck yourself. I could not give less of a fuck … Fuck Luke Bryan and anyone who was even ever nice to him. Fuck his entire career. I don’t give a fuck. I don’t carer if he’s nice. I don’t care who his friends are. Fuck Luke Bryan.”
There is no website that has published more negative commentary on Luke Bryan than Saving Country Music. However you can search the vast 6,000-article archive of this site and never find an instance where I said “Fuck Luke Bryan.” You won’t find an instance where I said “Fuck Anyone.” Of course there are plenty of examples of sarcasm and hyperbole, but it’s the unfiltered anger coming from Tyler Mahan Coe that is so alarming, and frankly unprecedented in the music community at large outside of hip-hop.
Something I have posted on this website many times before is the idea “People first, then music.” There might not be the example of a better human being in country music than Luke Bryan and how he has taken in the orphaned children from his deceased siblings, and done some pretty incredible charitable deeds over his career. In an article from 2015 entitled Bad Music, Good People/Good Music, Bad People, Luke Bryan’s altruism was singled out specifically.
Why is it important to distinguish saying “Fuck Luke Bryan” from not liking his music? Because lashing out in sheer, unfiltered anger doesn’t underscore your argument, it destroys it. It smacks of spite, and is ineffective. Again, many will excuse Tyler Coe by saying “He’s just being like his dad.” This is the argument you will see parroted over and over in regards to this article. But this couldn’t be farther from the truth. Others think this behavior is just cute. But it’s characterizing country music fans and its media members as assholes, and elitist snobs thumbing their nose at anything that’s not country.
Through the success of the Cocaine & Rhinestones podcast, Tyler Mahan Coe has become an ambassador for country music. If he was a renegade podcaster just doing his thing and trying to draw attention to himself by running others down, that would be one thing. But he’s being promoted in major, national periodicals as the podcaster extraordinaire of country music. The Country Music Hall of Fame has even erected a display for him. Yes, Tyler Mahan Coe has (or had) a display in the Country Music Hall of Fame. How many individuals can you think of that deserve a display in the Country Music Hall of Fame before Tyler Mahan Coe, but have never received one? How can the Country Music Hall of Fame endorse Tyler Mahan Coe when all he’s done for over 1 1/2 years is run down music legends incessantly and daily? Nothing speaks more to the incredibly insular and myopic perspective of the Nashville mindset than the acceptance of Tyler Mahan Coe’s behavior by the Nashville establishment.
An ambassador for country music should also be patient when people approach them with questions about the music. Tyler Mahan Coe regularly runs general music fans down for asking “stupid fucking questions,” and responds to disputes of facts with information, not succinct statements presented as absolute. As a commentator, it’s his job to be critical, and even forceful if necessary to correct inaccuracies about the music, but never with “fuck” preceding every sentence or proper name being addressed.
Tyler Mahan Coe is a bully, and people are afraid to stand up to him because they could be bullied next, and they’ll be characterized as uncool. He’s been subtweeting Saving Country Music for months, just posting on Thursday (7-11), “What kind of bitchass genre of music would need to be “saved”?” Yet he’s too cowardly to name me by name. And nobody seems willing seriously ask if posting 14 podcasts nearly two years ago gives him the skins on the wall to receive the keys to the Country Music Hall of Fame archive, and a hall pass from playing by the rules of common decency we’re all expected to adhere to, while fawning media continues to give him a pass for this behavior.
And even worse, Tyler Mahan Coe has become one of those social media assholes that are literally destroying the fabric of society, stirring up hatred, presenting us vs. them attitudes, and being rewarded for it by social media algorhythms and followers that gravitate towards hate to make them feel better about themselves. No, this behavior or anyone else’s is not excusable just because it’s on social media. It’s contributing to the overall acrid nature of social formats, and characterizing country music as a bastion for assholes.
But most important to understand is that none of this is who Tyler Mahan Coe is. This is not the Tyler Mahan Coe I started following and conversing with in 2012, who impressed me with his temperament and intelligence, who I knew once he found his place in the music world would contribute something brilliant, which he has. Sure, he’s always been a bit snarky, but nothing like this. This isn’t even the Tyler Mahan Coe who released those 14 amazing Cocaine & Rhinestones episodes and proved himself to be a gifted commentator. A simple glimmer of short-lived fame has gone to this guy’s head like a hillbilly with a hit record. I don’t know where or why he went wrong, or what is fueling it, and why people around him are enabling it, and speculating would be unfair. But as opposed to encouraging him, someone needs to hold a mirror up to this young man’s face and say, “Dude, you’re better than this.”
Because he is.
Johnny
July 12, 2019 @ 8:59 am
Lately people think that being edgy and pessimistic makes them smarter than someone that they think has their head in the clouds.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 9:10 am
I agree. But nothing that Tyler Mahan Coe is doing here is “edgy.” Being edgy is walking right up to a line, but not crossing it, or crossing it just barely. There is an art to it. There is nothing artful about telling people to fuck off. It’s immature, and stupid. It shows a lack of intelligence. It’s lazy, and represents the people who care about the history of country music in a bad light.
Robert's Country Blog
July 12, 2019 @ 10:28 am
” There is nothing artful about telling people to fuck off. It’s immature, and stupid. It shows a lack of intelligence. It’s lazy, and represents the people who care about the history of country music in a bad light. ”
I’ll probably piss off my friends when I state this, but see also Cody Jinks strutting around yelling “fuck Nashville” while he was signed to a Nashville label.
Oops.
Pedals Down
July 12, 2019 @ 11:48 am
I don’t disagree with that sentiment but let’s not forget that Cody isn’t slandering people by name or directly calling anyone out; he’s cussing the establishment as whole for its lack of integrity versus directly calling out individuals or bands for no real reason aside from an ego boost. One is a broad statement, one is direct defamation.
Nonetheless, hard not to find the irony amidst Cody being signed to a Nashville label.
Rob
July 12, 2019 @ 2:31 pm
Why does being signed to a Nashville label automatically disqualify anything a formerly independent artist says or does to some of you guys? If one of my favorites scores a record deal then as long as they don’t sell out good for them, now their music can reach more people.
LM Mackinaw
March 10, 2022 @ 12:46 pm
His reddit admirers (a misogynistic forum full of incels and MRAs… so, perfect for Tyler) are kissing his ass for his inexcusable behavior and it is revolting. So is the media doing the same.
Wow. His misogyny on his own podcast is insufferable already (his relentless criticism and judgment of Tammy Wynette is too much to listen to. He never criticized Merle in such an inhumane and derisive way for exaggerating his life details, OR for that matter, any male performers at all)
This is a breath of fresh air to read, calling out his degenerate behavior. He’s really cementing himself as a sexist POS which, along with his Twitter trashing musicians, makes him insufferable to me now.
His misogyny on his own podcast is insufferable already (his relentless criticism and judgment of Tammy Wynette is too much to listen to. He never criticized Merle in such an inhumane and derisive way for exaggerating his life details, OR for that matter, any other male performers).
He was on a show called Always Open and in his first appearance he said that he didn’t like women who use dildos because he thinks only he should be “in there.” What a misogynistic and sexist MESS.
Stinks
July 12, 2019 @ 9:02 am
It is odd he is such an aggressive troll on social media, but there is no doubting the work and love he put in to c&r. I also can’t wait for the new season, but don’t want it rushed just because it’s in high demand. Just think how long between albums some artists go
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 9:13 am
“Just think how long between albums some artists go.”
A more accurate comparison would be long long between deeply-researched historical podcast seasons go. It’s not two years.
I don’t want him to rush it either. I look forward to the next season.
PEI GUY
August 8, 2019 @ 5:37 pm
I think you’re off on that. Serial has taken longer than two year breaks between seasons. Dan Carlin has also gone months, up to half a year, between releasing episodes of a larger series. That might not be the norm, but those are typically regarded as two popular and highly researched podcasts.
Kevin H
July 12, 2019 @ 9:11 am
Yeah I liked the Cocaine and Rhinestones podcast but his holier than thou edgelord attitude is very annoying and completely turns me off.
RD
July 12, 2019 @ 9:41 am
I made it through two minutes of one podcast and couldn’t stand his BS.
Hammo
July 12, 2019 @ 10:01 am
I would recommend giving his C&R podcast another listen.
Even if u don’t like him, his dedication to researching country music history is astonishing. I’m on my 2nd go around on it and I’m learning things I missed the first time.
A.K.A. City
July 12, 2019 @ 9:28 am
Wow. You put a target on your back, but it needed to be said. I’ve been curious about this transformation as well. It also goes to show you can put out a good product and not necessarily be the best person. For the record, the Bad Music, Good People/ Good Music, Bad People article is one of my favorite things I’ve read on any site.
RD
July 12, 2019 @ 9:40 am
Mental illness and meth.
Black Boots
July 12, 2019 @ 12:37 pm
Honestly, i might start doing meth, too, if i realized i looked like a smaller version of the singer from Fun.
Ralphie
July 12, 2019 @ 1:33 pm
LMAO, I never thought about that, but you’re right.
MH
July 12, 2019 @ 9:41 am
Either it’s an act or he’s as mentally disturbed as his father.
Ralphie
July 12, 2019 @ 1:37 pm
It’s more likely that he was disturbed BY his father.
Kevin Mayfield
July 12, 2019 @ 9:54 am
I mean, the guy had a podcast called “Your Favorite Band Sucks.” He’s always been an acerbic asshole, and that’s why his twitter account is fun to follow. Is it more extreme right now? Yeah it is. Maybe he’s going through some stuff. Maybe it’s the start of a descent, but more likely it’s just a phase.
Also, this is who he is. And so is the young person you were so impressed with. Each of us contains all of our possible selves, made up of the qualities that comprise our individual nature.
Also, as to taking shots at Malcolm Gladwell, his disdain for Malcolm Gladwell was the actual genesis of Cocaine & Rhinestones.
Your final comment about destroying the fabric of society seems pretty over-the-top to me. He’s a sarcastic, opinionated dude with a really acerbic sense of humor. Policing tone is puritanical BS when people do it to comedians, and it’s puritanical BS when people do it to anyone expressing themselves.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 10:10 am
” He’s a sarcastic, opinionated dude with a really acerbic sense of humor.”
There’s nothing sarcastic about saying “Fuck David Crosby,” “Fuck Malcolm Gladwell,” “Fuck Luke Bryan.” “Acerbic” doesn’t even seem like the correct word. There’s no humor in it because there’s no creativity in it. In fact, it’s an insult to true sarcasm and acerbic humor. This kind of bullying and trolling that has people killing themselves every day, and people are excusing it because they like his podcast. Anyone else, people would not put up with this. But from Coe, it’s cute.
And for the record, Tyler Mahan Coe can say whatever the fuck he wants to say. You start writing stories about him in The Wall Street Journal and The New Yorker and making him the face of country music history, and then give him a display in the Country Music Hall of Fame after he posted 12 podcasts almost two years ago, it becomes the business of the country music community how he’s conducting himself, because he’s representing all of us. If Tyler doesn’t want that pressure, don’t become a member of the media and a public personality.
Carey
December 19, 2021 @ 4:34 pm
The tweet where he allegedly disparaged Graham Parsons but it was a shot at the eagles. I’m pretty sure He’s a fan of Parsons. Also dragging David Crosby is ENTIRELY permitted given his public behavior and unearned arrogance. Also any shots at myself are welcome 😉
Gingersnap
July 12, 2019 @ 1:56 pm
He ain’t that young. Isn’t he mid-30s? 40 will be here fast and this kind of “edgy” crap looks real ugly when youth starts fading. He really sounds like guys I know who do a lot of coke – their whole personality changes, and being an a-hole seems hilarious to them. He re-tweeted me once and his comment made zero sense, except to call me stupid? It really sounded like someone on a binge who thought they just tweeted out a real zinger but it was actually just coke talk. Being sarcastic, having an attitude, I think that’s hilarious when it’s carried out with wit and a sense of humor. That’s not what he’s doing, he’s just being a troll.
Doyle Hargraves
July 12, 2019 @ 9:56 am
I listened to 2 or 3 of his podcasts after it was recommended here and I didn’t get that into it. I thought the premise sounded awesome, but something about the delivery didn’t keep me coming back. Sounds like he’s been hangin out with fckn Randy.
A.K.A. City
July 12, 2019 @ 10:17 am
He writes out his entire episode of Cocaine and Rhinestones and then reads it for the podcast. I appreciate the work he puts into it, but I prefer a more conversational tone for my podcasts. It is oft-putting until you realize he is reading. I think the product is still really solid due to the research he puts into it.
Hammo
July 12, 2019 @ 9:56 am
Trigger, I hope u guys can have some kind of talk soon that ends well.
Saving country music playlist and cocaine & rhinestones are all I listen to.
Thanks again for all you do
Andrew
July 12, 2019 @ 10:00 am
As Tyler has pointed out on Twitter since this posted, his social media presence isn’t all that different from what it was before C&R. He just gets more attention now. I also think a lot of it is pretty obviously a bit in the vein of Your Favorite Band Sucks. It may not be a style of humor a lot of people enjoy, but I do think he means for a decent amount of it to be funny.
And including the Gladwell thing is a bad example of your point because Gladwell did get it wrong on the podcast he did about country music and Tyler put a lot of thought and effort into his rebuttal.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 10:16 am
“As Tyler has pointed out on Twitter since this posted, his social media presence isn’t all that different from what it was before C&R.”
As I said in the article, Tyler would cap off a sarcastic comment now and then, but nothing like this. Not even close. Digging up some old tweets anecdotally doesn’t really prove anything.
” It may not be a style of humor a lot of people enjoy, but I do think he means for a decent amount of it to be funny.”
I don’t, nor do many others. Just like digging up a few old tweets, this is revisionist history (pun intended).
Kevin
July 17, 2019 @ 1:36 pm
“As Tyler has pointed out on Twitter since this posted, his social media presence isn’t all that different from what it was before C&R. He just gets more attention now”
I just went to his twitter. Random dudes with 100 followers get more interaction than him. So many of his tweets of between 5 and 10 replies or retweets.
If that’s a lot of attention, then the IT guys I know on Twitter must be super influencers.
So i’d argue no, he does not get more attention for it. And either way – the level of attention isnt what’s being argued here.
Jim WILSON
July 12, 2019 @ 10:04 am
Hate to say it and I’m not judging but I’ve seen it personally with family and friends. Sounds like meth
Ralphie
July 12, 2019 @ 10:14 am
If you’ve every seen his IG account, you’ll know he has issues with alcohol and drugs.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 10:37 am
One of this issues I have with him attacking David Crosby and specifically for his drug use is that David Crosby is in recovery. That is not cool. I don’t really think it’s fair to speculate too much about Tyler Coe’s state of mental health or sobriety. He is a convicted felon for drug possession, but it was for LSD, so it’s a bit of a different situation.
I posted this article not to run down or attack Tyler Mahan Coe, though I’m sure that’s how many will take it, as others excuse his behavior as “sarcasm” or whatever, and folks will attack me for being a hypocrite or for being jealous. I’m okay with that because it’s not my job to be popular, it’s my job to be honest. And my honest assessment is this dude has changed. For a while he had a really steady girlfriend, and was sober. As soon as Cocaine and Rhinestones took off, it’s like a light switch had flipped. I believe in Tyler Mahan Coe, and I always have. That is why I have gone out of my way to endorse his efforts, and why I wrote this article.
Ralphie
July 12, 2019 @ 10:54 am
Since you brought up his “girlfriend”…am I the only one who thinks that some of the anger could stem from the possibility he’s in the closet? Some may have a problem with me bringing this up, but I think it’s very relevant.
hoptowntiger94
July 12, 2019 @ 11:54 am
I can’t believe I’m going down this rabbit (glory) hole, but I just assumed he was gay. Anyways, when he’s hanging with Elizabeth Cook, it’s an utter train wreck.
I love the podcast, but I don’t follow him social media.
Jay
July 12, 2019 @ 12:54 pm
While it’s commendable to defend someone you think is being unfairly criticized, I have to say, in my opinion from what I have read and my interactions with him, David Crosby is a verifiable asshole. He said disparaging things about Bob Dylan. David’s arrogant and he’s not truly in recovery, he’s still a daily pot user so that doesn’t qualify as sober. Anyone with true recovery would also not be cutting down other musicians like David does on an almost daily basis. David’s isms are clearly evident as he likes to stir the pot. David has a massive ego. Look at his history of saying rude things such as he did warning Neil Young about his new wife.
Ego and the music business often go hand in hand. It’s unfortunate.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 1:23 pm
David Crosby is just the very tip of the iceberg. I’ll concede he’s an asshole, though I don’t know that on a first-hand basis. But how about Stevie Ray Vaughn, Gram Parson, Frank Zappa, and other guys that died when Coe was still in diapers? How about the dozens of people that have reached out to him with simple questions and he’s told to go fuck off for asking something stupid. If Tyler Mahan Coe wants to set the record straight about David Crosby, make a convincing case. Saying “fuck David Crosby” only convinces me that the accuser is an asshole.
This is music. This isn’t politics, or sports, or the playground. Even when I’m absolutely waylaying a piece of music, I always try to find at least one good thing to say about it, or the person making it. Because it reminds us that we’re all human. What Coe is doing is dehumanizing people.
JD Myers
July 13, 2019 @ 2:25 am
I’m having a bit of trouble with his SRV tweet. I can’t wrap my head around that.
Jack Williams
July 13, 2019 @ 6:13 am
@JD,
SRV is often a target of the “too cool for school” crowd and those who want to burnish their blues purist credentials. As if there were no difference between him and other white blues guitarslingers, some of who can’t sing the blues for shit. It’s a pet peeve of mine.
scott
July 13, 2019 @ 9:17 am
Anyone who denigrates SRV is automatically a knuckle dragging piece of shit.
Jim Wilson
July 12, 2019 @ 10:59 am
Your right Trigger it’s not really fair to speculate, and I wish him well , I’m in my 60’s and partied and had a big time but was always the same guy but I’ve seen meth turn people into someone they wasn’t before. I hope its not and like I said wish him well.
Ralphie
July 12, 2019 @ 11:05 am
But is it really speculation when he’s frequently posting about his binges the night before?
Tony Kepuska
July 12, 2019 @ 11:10 am
if you are offended my Tyler Coe , you are a snowflake
Black Boots
July 12, 2019 @ 12:42 pm
See, that’s just it. I think Tyler thinks everyone who hates him is offended, but we’re not – we just think he’s an asshole. There’s a huge difference.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 1:08 pm
Bingo.
a reader
July 12, 2019 @ 11:25 am
you may not implicitly have said fuck luke bryan buts lets not pretend you have the moral high ground here with your sexist commentary on bebe rexha, maren morris, and borderline homophobic commentary on walker hayes.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 12:22 pm
No doubt I have posted sarcastic and hyperbolic material here, and I’ll allow that there is a “pot calling the kettle black” element to all of this, and it’s an argument worth broaching. But my rants literally make up about five articles a year (so far in 2019, two) out of usually over 600 articles annually. Now imagine if that’s all I posted. That is Tyler Mahan Coe’s public presence. And yes, I do think there’s a difference between acting like hearing a Luke Bryan song is similar to the onset of the Apocolypse which is clearly sarcasm, and saying “Fuck Luke Bryan and anyone who was even ever nice to him. Fuck his entire career. I don’t give a fuck. I don’t carer if he’s nice. I don’t care who his friends are. Fuck Luke Bryan.”
Also, I’ve never posted anything sexist about Bebe Rexha or Maren Morris, and throwing that word around erodes its effectiveness when it is warranted. The fact that any criticism of Maren Morris is immediately labeled as sexist and causes public outrage, yet people think its cute when Tyler Coe goes rails off on anyone and everyone, shows the deep-rooted hypocrisy pervading the country music Twitter culture, especially in the media.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 1:10 pm
Also, I believe one of the reasons everyone has been giving Tyler Coe a pass in the Nashville media mindset is because they see him as an ally of social causes, which thus makes him untouchable. You can run down anyone and everyone you want and go well beyond the pail of human decency in any forum. But as long as you say country music needs to play more women, you can do no wrong.
A reader
July 12, 2019 @ 3:47 pm
Ok but now defend your beating up of walker hayes after the death of his infant. Yes there’s a big element of bombast to you’re writing. You pick the safe targets and that’s the key difference between you and Tyler. That said, I appreciate both of your opinions though I often disagree.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 4:31 pm
Clear, unequivocal sarcasm and hyperbole vs. telling anyone and everyone to go fuck themselves. That’s my defense.
Darren
July 12, 2019 @ 11:25 am
All of this. I enjoyed Cocaine and Rhinestones due to the detail even though the narration is often an overwrought run-on sentence. I then followed TMC on Twitter and just got exhausted by the unrelenting need he has to be an ass. I’ve never seen anything like it. 99 out of 100 are some form of “fuck you I know more than you do” which occasionally would be alright but gawt dayum THAT’S ALL IT IS.
Seth of the Wilderness
July 12, 2019 @ 11:31 am
I’ll try to say this a little more diplomatically, since Trig isn’t gonna let me rant. And since Ralphie was allowed to bring this up in comments, I hope I’m allowed to put in my two cents…
https://mobile.twitter.com/tylermahancoe/status/1022232004438446081
It’s also well known that Tyler has major beef with his dad. In the Facebook post linked to below he talks about his dad’s homosexual experiences in prison and he also alludes to the beef with his dad that I mentioned above:
https://www.facebook.com/tylermahancoe/posts/some-of-you-are-never-going-to-change-your-mind-about-this-and-i-want-to-start-b/896242787227193/
Not to mention, he’s also trying to make it as a live country music DJ? That has to be the most unwarranted and useless job in the country music industry.
In conclusion, he’s an angry man who obviously has some big skeletons in his closet. Pun intended.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 12:00 pm
Tyler Mahan Coe’s personal life is none of our business beyond what he wants to share, and I don’t feel like they’re helpful at all.
Seth of the Wilderness
July 12, 2019 @ 12:17 pm
Fair enough. I’ll drop it.
Anon
July 12, 2019 @ 11:41 am
From the perspective of someone who discovered the C&R podcasts, then began following him on social media, I have to agree. By encountering Tyler in this order, I feel a giant let down from C&R Tyler to Twitter Tyler. It’s like they are two different persons. I like the first one much better.
reader
July 12, 2019 @ 11:46 am
Tyler has sort of commented, at his Facebook page named 20th Century Country Music. https://www.facebook.com/groups/20thCenturyCountryMusic/
Toby in Ak
July 12, 2019 @ 11:48 am
A lot of talented people are a-holes, especially creative types. Personally, I find a-holes entertaining, as long as they aren’t in a position of power. Water finds its own level, but I hope he finally releases season 2 before that happens.
Happy Dan
July 12, 2019 @ 11:50 am
Tyler is blatantly break Willie Nelson’s sage three pieces of advice:
1) don’t be a dick
2) don’t be a dick
3) don’t be a fucking dick
drum_smith
July 12, 2019 @ 11:58 am
Not trying to act like I know the guy, but I knew someone who worked with him right as C&R was taking off. This article accurately depicts his behavior during that time and since then. The C&R is fantastic and even though YFBS is pretty brutal, it’s typically in good humor. We never heard anything about drug use or a spiraling in his mental health, so I won’t speculate. But regardless of his sobriety, mental health, or family history, he has no excuse to act like this. If any of these problems are encouraging this behavior he has a responsibility to himself to seek help and try to address it. Whether he wanted to be or not, his podcast has made him an ambassador of this community and people are going to pay attention to his opinions. I hope he makes some changes.
drivingtheview
July 12, 2019 @ 11:59 am
Well timed post for me. I follow Trig as much as possible but I missed the ‘Cocaine & Rhinestones’ post (recommendation) back in 2017. Last month I was catching up on new & old Otis Gibbs podcasts (Thanks for giving a damn). For the first time ever, I scrolled to the bottom of the podcast page and noticed similar recommendations . I had never seen this! There it was, ‘Cocaine & Rhinestones’. I only opened it because of the name. I immediately noticed 3 podcasts about ‘Harper Valley PTA’. I love Tom T Hall fan so I had to check that out. And I did. I listened to those 3 episodes first. I had no clue who the narrator was. At the end of one of those episodes, Tyler mentions something about his dad. I was shocked this was DAC’s son. I’ve since listened to most of the other episodes and I have been impressed. I’m not on any form of social media & this post is one of countless examples why. Sounds like Tyler created one helluva income stream with 14 episodes and he’s simply wilder about his good cocaine. Being on the road with DAC at the age of 15 is child abuse. Apples don’t fall far
DJ
July 12, 2019 @ 12:23 pm
I think commentary of the Confederate Flag is in order- LOL-
Seriously, Kyle you do a good job- keep it up. It’d be easy for you to be like you’re writing about, but you haven’t- the stuff you posted from him in his *little* whatever social media acct it is is from an extremely self centered jerk- I never listened to his whatever it is and now I never will- I see enough crap in the news articles I read-
Black Boots
July 12, 2019 @ 12:34 pm
This guy is an absolute dickwad. He once responded to me on twitter by saying he had more money than me. Hahahaha. Fuck, I’m so glad other people realize what a piece of shit he is.
Also, his voice is unlistenable.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 1:19 pm
I think it is very important to point out that he’s not just calling out and bullying other public personalities. He’s dragged dozens, maybe hundreds of music fans, many who simply are fans of the podcast, and reach out to him with honest questions. He literally calls them “fucking stupid” for asking him questions. He also doesn’t just do it as a response, he does it by retweeting the question, which basically publicly drags the person in Coe’s feed, and then they get dogpiled by his supporters. It’s a very very ugly practice, and I could have posted dozens of other examples here. And we’re just supposed to all chalk it up to sarcasm?
Truth5
July 12, 2019 @ 12:36 pm
Coes cocaine and rhinestones is an excellent podcast and next season featuring the greatest singer ever should be even better. Frankness is good and his sarcasm is comical at times, but he does seem to take it too far. That’s also one of the main problems with social media and using text as a platform, you can’t always tell emotion/context/sarcasm, etc. He could show off his background and expertise, without trying to make his audience or followers feel like idiots because they don’t agree with him 100%.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 1:15 pm
I truly don’t believe that Tyler Mahan Coe is being sarcastic except on rare occasions. I think he’s being narcissistic. I truly believe he thinks he’s better and smarter than everyone, and nobody else’s opinion or perspective is valid, and your fucking stupid for even thinking you’re as smart or informed as him. If he’s using sarcasm, it’s as a shield.
Canuck
July 12, 2019 @ 1:14 pm
As someone who has followed CAR since pretty much the very beginning as well, and as someone who follows Tyler on Facebook, I’ve also found his commentary over the past few months not only disappointing, but also a departure from the relatively humble persona he approached the public with. He’s gone from being an informative source to being an elitist troll. The real question is if he’s actually serious with his vitriol, or if this is an elaborate ruse.
Frankly, I’m losing interest in his schtick, as I’m sure others are as well. I was also surprised when he took a swipe at you, Trigger, one that I thought was unwarranted. There’s more than enough room for multiple sources of opinion regarding country music, and this animosity is sort of ridiculous. I feel like it’s sort of calculated in a way, an attempt to get people to tune into his social media musings and say, “What’s Tyler Coe up to next? What will he say next?”. It is indeed immature, and kind of laughable, actually. I agree that he is better than this, but maybe we as a listening public pegged him wrong.
At any rate, CAR is good (minus the incredibly monotone delivery, which, if the content wasn’t so good, would be very hard to overlook), and I guess people have to separate the art from the artist, but Coe’s “Me against the World” and “Look at what an Outlaw I am” is growing tiresome. And yeah, his lashing out at listeners and social media posters reminds me of a guy who can deal out the jokes but can’t take one. His rant awhile back about controlling his creation (CAR) entirely himself is also telling. You touched on it by saying he believes the podcast is his life’s work, but by the way he carries on at times and is downright combative, you’d think that Hank Williams’ ghost appeared and ordained him Chief Custodian of the history of country music. As well, I could honestly care less about who his Dad is, and if he ever talks about Dear Old Dad’s place in country music history (I suspect he will at some point, and this is his ace in the hole for a rainy day). All I care about is the quality of his work.
I’m still interested in what he has to say, but the more his poor attitude rears its head, the more I’m tempted to not even listen. It’s my hope that he sees at some point people do enjoy his work, but could do without his “enfant terrible” attitude.
It also seems he’s already vaguely taken another swipe on Facebook as well. Can’t say that was unexpected.
13
July 12, 2019 @ 1:33 pm
Hey Trigger,
Not sure why that last Twitter post is included. Isn’t that just a line from the C&R outro?
Phil Oxford
July 12, 2019 @ 1:34 pm
This reeks of the pungent odor of petty bullshit. Odd that within days of him criticizing the name of your site his insult-heavy approach to music opinions becomes newsworthy. Maybe there’s an argument that this story is relevant to country music history’s public image(??––I think it’s tenuous at best)… but as for me, I’d rather hear about Brandi Carlile’s added Ryman dates (4 total now!), Joseph Huber’s new album, Chris Stapleton’s and Kenny Chesney’s recent pop collaborations, etc.
Ralphie
July 12, 2019 @ 1:57 pm
I would agree with you about this being petty, except Tyler is encroaching on Trig’s livelihood and reputation by taking a shot at him. I can understand why this would be a last straw type deal for Trig. As for the timing, Trig explained pretty well that he has always had a liking for the man and what he does, but Tyler flushed all that down the toilet, looks like.
Ralphie
July 12, 2019 @ 2:06 pm
And I’m sure the Joseph Huber review is forthcoming, considering it just came out today.
Phil Oxford
July 12, 2019 @ 3:41 pm
You’re probably right (I hope you are!). But that’s not really the point.
There is so much to cover!—and that’s my point: the time and energy that went into writing and researching this minor, minor story (at best; again, it looks to me most like a personal feud) was taken away from the numerous other stories that could have been written. So when we get to the end of the year and bemoan that a certain album review just wasn’t able to be written, or whatever, I’ll be thinking of this article.
I may be falling into the trap of taking tho ha too seriously here. But I think Trig slipped up, and it’s disappointing because it seems to be personally-, not journalistically-, motivated. Now let’s all move on and enjoy that Huber album 🙂
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 4:29 pm
Phil,
Since I’ve posted this article, numerous people have reached out to me personally, and others have commented in this very comments section about being bullied by this guy. If you think this is a personal beef, you didn’t read the story. Frankly, I’m pretty shocked how much some people are going out of their way to defend this dude. Enabling this kind of behavior is how it gets out of hand. Also, the biggest request I receive from readers in comments like this is to post stories about stuff they already know. 20 or so outlets have already posted about Brandi Carlile playing the Ryman, which really is a local story anyway. The new Joseph Huber is being considered for review, but I got my copy when everyone else did, so it wasn’t going to get reviewed today anyway. I work very hard on this site, don’t ask any money from anyone, and I believed this was the most critically important story to cover today.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 6:12 pm
Also about the timing: First off, yesterday was in no way the first time Tyler Coe has lashed out at me via Twitter, though unlike his other subjects of ire, he never names me. He’s been subtweeting me for well over a year.
I have also been cataloging his abusive behavior for over a year. That is where the screenshots came from. This article was a long time coming.
Also, anyone thinking this article is “petty” probably didn’t read the whole thing.
SameOld
July 12, 2019 @ 6:23 pm
Cataloging his abusive behavior for a year. Bro wtf.
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 7:56 pm
Same Old,
Let’s say you worked in an office with someone, and 90% of their interactions with their co-workers were basically “Fuck You!” “Go fuck yourself!” “You’re fucking stupid!” Or let’s say you had a student in a school engaging in this kind of behavior. Let’s say someone was standing in a public place, like a mall, the middle of a Wal-Mart, or on the corner of a street with pedestrian traffic, telling the people walking by to all go fuck themselves. What do you think would happen?
How would you feel if someone told your daughter, or your wife, or your mother, or son, “I’m coming for you. I’ll make you meet me on my terms and I’ll show the world exactly how fucking stupid you are.”
If Tyler Mahan Coe wants to be a renegade asshole, that’s his prerogative. If they give him an installation at the Country Music Hall of Fame, ask him to speak at major country music functions, if he attacks not just legends of music, but up-and-comers like Mike and the Moonpies, if Tyler Mahan Coe wants to be abusive to random country music fans who just happen to enjoy his show and ask him simple questions, then this becomes my business. What Tyler Mahan Coe is doing would get him fired from any job, kicked out of any school, 86’d from any business, and arrested on the street.
Yet for some reason we accept this behavior because it’s on Twitter, and because the guy’s got a cool podcast. Twitter is my workplace, and the workplace of many others. It is the public place or street corner for many, where they go to hang out with friends. Nobody should be susceptible to this level of abuse, and in the case of Coe, it’s not just tolerated, it’s being celebrated.
So yeah, I’ve been cataloging his abuse, just like I have been cataloging the abuse of others in the country music sphere who’ve gone so far beyond the pale, it’s incredible. What else is incredible is just how accepting people have become of this behavior.
SameOld
July 12, 2019 @ 9:05 pm
You have a reputation of going beyond the pale. You’ve offended artists, fans, journalists. Didn’t Marissa Miosd end up blocking you because of your behavior?
Twitter is not your workplace. Nobody on there owes you anything but if you want to claim social media as your domain, how long do you think you would last in a job after some of the offensive things you’ve said? If there was a central HR department for social media and blogging platforms you would have been fired with several restraining orders against you by now.
I’m not trying to defend Tyler here I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy. Saying fuck Luke Bryan is no worse than shitting on his career, his teeth, his looks, his clothing. Treating somebody on twitter badly is no different than talking down to the fans who come on here to defend their favorite artists that you’ve taken shots at or making fun of them for liking Kane Brown. Calling people stans and diminishing them because you don’t like the opinion they have of your favorite while taking a dump on theirs. Hyperbole is also not an excuse for being an ass.
Trigger
July 13, 2019 @ 8:26 am
SameOld,
You’re trying to make a point about my hypocrisy when it comes to Luke Bryan …. in an article where I spend an extended period of time defending Luke Bryan, and saying Tyler Coe had gone too far, and where and why a clear line of demarcation should be laid when it comes to criticizing individuals. I also linked to an entirely other article where I also laid out in great detail how we should not make music disputes personal, using Luke Bryan as the direct example. I’ve also written positive reviews for Luke Bryan here. You’re trying to use a political “gotcha” tactic to call out a hypocrisy that doesn’t exist.
And still, you don’t seem to understand the concept of sarcasm. That’s on you.
Trigger
July 13, 2019 @ 8:36 am
As for Marissa R. Moss, she is a liar. Marissa R. Moss lies on twitter on a regular basis. I never “threatened” her, as she alleges, which is just another one of her lies. What I did say is that I had a file on her where I keep record of all the time she lies, which I do, just like I kept a record of Tyler Coe’s abuses of other people. The reason I began keeping such a file is because she continuously would lie. I don’t troll people on Twitter. Some just assume I do, because every blue moon, maybe one out of every 100 articles, I will write something aggressive. But I don’t troll people on Twitter, and never have. Marissa R. Moss does, and she uses lies to do it.
The reason she blocked me was because she lied about how me mentioning that Ashley Monroe was a mother was sexist, when I was just making reference to something Ashley has made reference to many times, which is having children changed the perspective on her career and songwriting. It was literally part of the bio the Ashley Monroe team sent to the press. Then Marissa lied again by saying that I had not mentioned in my reviews of the last Sturgill Simpson and Jason Isbell’s albums how they were fathers (this was the basis for her sexist double standard). However in both reviews I had mentioned their fatherhood, and this was completely verifiable at the time she said it. She trolled me with lies. She instigated and exacerbated the situation. I defended myself. She blocked me when I told her I was cataloging her lies in a file.
SameOld
July 13, 2019 @ 9:39 am
Just because you say one decent thing about somebody doesn’t take away from all the nasty things you’ve said about them through the years and not just about Luke Bryan.
Nobody is trying to gotcha you, I’m pointing out that through the years you’ve said and done some shitty and creepy things going back to your YouTube video pretending to be Bobby Bones talking to Kacey Musgraves. Your popularity among a certain crowd is your rants and shit talking. Granted you’ve cooled down on it lately but let’s not pretend that it never happened.
As for bringing women into it, you sat by idly as a longtime female poster Seak was bullied right here on your forum. She had gendered insults thrown her way culminating with one of your Miranda stans falsely accusing her of running some Blake fanpages or some nonsense to discredit her even though you know that’s bullshit. She was around back when Windmills was still alive and contributed actual knowledge to this site but got run off because she contradicted you and the yes men. If you want to be a hero how about shutting them down for a change instead of jumping on their stan bandwagon?
Lastly you have now admitted several times that you collect data and receipts on people who you have disagreements with. That’s extremely disconcerting and who knows what you’re doing with private information of users of this site. You operate with an extreme bias and I don’t think that this site is a safe place at all for people who don’t fall in line with you so this is me signing off.
Trigger
July 13, 2019 @ 9:49 am
Once again, if you don’t know the difference between anger and sarcasm, we have no discussion here.
Windmills was not run off. Windmills was a close personal friend of mine, and few days go by I don’t think about her. It’s really insulting you would evoke her name here.
Presenting untenable positions, that get challenged and being “run off” are two different things. Everybody is welcome here. If you can’t defend you opinions anymore than crying sexism, that’s on you.
Also, I don’t collect any data on my readers. Saving Country Music is a secured and verified site. That’s what the green checkmark or padlock to the left of your address bar means.
Ralphie
July 12, 2019 @ 2:51 pm
Wow Phil,
I just finished listening to Moondog, and for me it has single-handedly saved country music for 2019. The record is beautiful from start to finish. This one easily puts him on the level of Townes in the country folk arena.
jeez
July 12, 2019 @ 1:53 pm
Pssst…. David ALLEN Coe. With an “E”, not an “A”
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 1:57 pm
No, it’s with an ‘A’. Tyler himself has sounded off on this numerous times.
SameOld
July 12, 2019 @ 4:00 pm
The irony of people being offended by his comments only to attack his appearance, mental health, calling him gay and a meth head.
Ralphie
July 12, 2019 @ 4:14 pm
Speculating about reasons for his comments and attacking people on social media are two completely different things. Come on, man. You know better.
SameOld
July 12, 2019 @ 4:43 pm
You’re not speculating you’re just being a straight up asshole because you’re jealous and insecure of his success. That’s just speculation of course.
Ralphie
July 12, 2019 @ 5:17 pm
If I’m an asshole for calling out the asshole, that’s fine with me. And i’ve been jealous and insecure my entire life, so let’s not let Tyler take credit for that too. It will just add to his ego inflation.
SameOld
July 12, 2019 @ 6:20 pm
So you’re just being an asshole because it makes you feel better about yourself. I’ll refer back to my first post about irony.
Ralphie
July 12, 2019 @ 7:17 pm
Yes, I feel much better now, thank you. Pointing out douchebags and what makes them douchebags is very satisfying. You seem pretty butt hurt about it, but that’s gonna happen when you take a prick like Tyler Coe’s side.
SameOld
July 12, 2019 @ 8:10 pm
If we’re going to talk about butt hurt, so far you’ve called out his looks, said he was gay and in the closet, called him a douchebag, asshole and variety of other slurs. You’re acting like he’s been subtweeting you or something.
Corncaster
July 12, 2019 @ 5:08 pm
Something traumatic probably happened. It sounds like he has serious psychological issues and should seek professional help.
Mike
July 12, 2019 @ 5:53 pm
Man I couldn’t agree more. I follow him on twitter and used to really enjoy his opinions on country music. Sometimes a little abrasive, but generally thoughtful and well-reasoned whether I agreed with them or not. Slowly, the Twitterverse has turned him into a complete dick. He isn’t funny, insightful, he is just atomizing everything and everyone in the music industry with bilious and thoughtless hatred. I’ll probably stop following him, which is too bad because he can have such a unique perspective on country music. Too bad he let that perspective wash in away in a sea of rage.
Amanda
July 12, 2019 @ 6:30 pm
No truer words have been said. I discovered TMC through my husband who told me about the podcast. I LOVED the podcast. My husband joined his Facebook page where he engaged in awesome discussions about twentieth century country music, his most beloved topic. I’m biased, but the hubs can hang with the best of them on that particular topic. Despite how much joy he got from the group, he got banned out of the blue. He doesnt even know what got him banned. Guess TMC didnt agree with him.
ScottG
July 12, 2019 @ 6:37 pm
You make some excellent points. I only wonder if this sort of criticism is best given to someone privately. I can’t help wonder what the point is, of building a case against him publicly. I’m kinda going back and forth, but something about this just feels off. No offense meant. Just my gut feeling, FWIW, (which I understand isn’t much).
Trigger
July 12, 2019 @ 8:08 pm
Tyler Mahan Coe didn’t drag people in private. In fact he did through retweets instead of responses to maximize the damage and stimulate his sycophants to pile on.
There were many reasons I posted this article. One of them was to publicly distance from his behavior after I promoted his podcast on here twice, personally endorsed both it and Coe as a person, and helped put him on the map. I want the world to know I don’t condone this kind of behavior, and it doesn’t represent country music.
ScottG
July 12, 2019 @ 9:51 pm
Mission accomplished?
Steophan
July 13, 2019 @ 4:59 pm
All you’ve achieved is to give him more publicity, and more publicity for his upcoming second series. To the extent that I actually wonder if this “feud” is a publicity stunt by the two of you. I rather doubt it, as I think both you and Tyler have more integrity than that, but the end result will be the same. More publicity for both of you as outspoken “bad boys” of country music journalism, and a perception of the two of you as different sides of the same coin.
And articles like this one do fuck all to “save” country music. They are about everything BUT the music
Trigger
July 13, 2019 @ 5:18 pm
Steophan,
You completely misunderstood this article, as others have. There is no feud. I was a supporter of Tyler Mahan Coe before his podcast. I was a supporter of Cocaine and Rhinestone. And I remain a supporter of him now. That is why I posted this article, and if you read it with a clear mind, there’s no way to come to any other conclusion. If this article gets Cocaine and Rhinestone more publicity, good. In fact that was one of the reasons I posted it. I’ve heard from numerous people already who hadn’t heard about the podcast before, and have thanked for turning them on to it.
I knew this article would be misunderstood by many, and misconstrued on social media. But I can’t control that. I am glad I wrote it and posted it, and stand behind it 100%. It’s a shame that some what to make it into a beef, because really it’s one person showing concern for another.
Bear
July 12, 2019 @ 6:58 pm
I dunno man sometimes people just snap. I mean it might be fame but if you live under a legacy of somebody like Coe and maybe you haven’t really reckoned with that. HJe may be harboring some stuff that needs a therapist.
This is coming from somebody who played nice until he lost his mind and started snapping back. Now I don’t think attacking other musicians is anyway a healthy avenue of expression if my theory is true.
But to me it sounds like the success was the trigger not the cause. At any rate I am axcited their is a new podcast on music for me to look into.
Chris
July 12, 2019 @ 7:51 pm
Sorry to hear that Tyler has slipped into the abyss.
He got there sooner than his dad.
DAC has always been my favorite country music artist of all time.
I don’t even go to hear him when he comes through town anymore.
He’s a bad performer, he hates his job and he’s a jerk to his fans.
DAC is a compulsive gambler and Tyler appears to have his own addiction issues.
I always felt bad for Tyler, because I thought that Kimberly likely tried to pull DAC away from his children, especially Tyler.
This is based on speculation on my part and things I’ve read.
I don’t know whether they’re true.
Wayfast
July 12, 2019 @ 8:19 pm
Listened to few interviews he’s done. Tyler doesn’t want to go back to working a normal job. In this day and age being a troll and saying provocative things gets attention.
I don’t mind him saying fuck you to another public figure, but the way he lashes out at his fans and others who’ve supported him is ridiculous. I’m not sure I want to listen to season 2.
Justin C
July 12, 2019 @ 8:23 pm
It seems like he has some addiction issues going on honestly. But yeah, w his success of CAR he does have some moral responsibility not to act like an asswipe on social media because he is representing the country music community.
Flying J
July 12, 2019 @ 9:09 pm
I found the c&r podcasts enjoyable but (correct me if I’m wrong) he doesn’t conduct any original research, he uses publicly available source material. The podcasts amount to country music history term papers. There’s a place for that, and he does a good job pulling it all together, but I couldn’t help thinking while listening that the reliance on published sources seemed amateurish, and that he was resisting taking the next step up into being an actual journalist and historian. Granted, some of his topics were mid 20th century and I imagine living participants hard to find.
His YFBS podcast is junk.
thewinner
July 17, 2019 @ 9:06 pm
He should really avoid siting sources outloud in his podcasts. Like when he says “in her book she says….” etc. Makes it sound like a high school book report.
King Honky Of Crackershire
July 12, 2019 @ 10:35 pm
I’m not profanity guy, but I can definitely relate to the bitter disdain. You go, Tyler Mahan Coe.
The only time I’ve thought Tyler was on the wrong side of an issue, was the thing with Gladwell. Gladwell is right about that.
Hailey Kelly
July 13, 2019 @ 1:10 am
Well, this whole thing is pretty ridiculous. TMC is providing a service that people are willing to pay for. Good for him– I hope he’s making 7k a month on Patreon. Two years between researched, hours long podcasts done without massive backing isn’t a long time at all. He’s not George R. R. Martin-ing his fans.
Look, if he was doing skeazy shit it would be more than appropriate to call him out, but he’s building a public persona, and a part of that persona is being in your face and arrogant. Who cares? People love Ric Flair and he did the same thing. Everyone loves a jerk. It’s fun to be insulted. I’ve talked shit to him on Twitter and he’s bitten back. It’s fun and it’s funny. Clearly other fans are into what he’s doing. If he goes too far it will bite him in the ass and the wallet. He’s not out there getting white girl wasted and punching old ladies crossing the street in Nashville. He’s an entertainer, and so far he’s kept a lot of people entertained.
Call out real abusers: artists that abuse children, women, animals, that physically hurt other human beings. Real abusers often hide their abusive tendencies behind a nice-guy facade. I’ve worked with enough personalities in entertainment that have a mean stage presence that are absolute angels in real life. Twitter isn’t real life.
Additionally, TMC has been pretty outspoken about respecting women, telling the truth about vicious people, and calling it like he sees it. You just gave him more press. If you hate him the best thing to do is ignore him.
Trigger
July 13, 2019 @ 8:06 am
“Additionally, TMC has been pretty outspoken about respecting women, telling the truth about vicious people.”
Isn’t “telling the truth about vicious people” what’s going on here? And as a I said in a comment above, he’s very directly being given a pass for vicious behavior simply because he called off a couple of tweets six months ago saying more women should be on radio. Thta’s a really sad virtue signal for reams of more inappropriate behavior.
“If you hate him the best thing to do is ignore him.”
If you think that I ‘hate” Tyler Mahan Coe and this was some sort of takedown piece, you didn’t read it. I believe in Tyler Mahan Coe. I’ve been a champion of this guy. That is why I wrote this article.
Trigger
July 13, 2019 @ 8:39 am
Also, people need to understand that there are many people, including people who reached out to me before I posted this article, after I posted this article, and people who have piped up in this comments section that say they have felt verbally abused and threatened by Tyler Mahan Coe. That’s a serious situation. Maybe they’re making too much of it, but I’m not sure presenting Tyler Coe as a vessel of virtue is the best play here.
Hailey Kelly
July 13, 2019 @ 6:43 pm
If people feel seriously verbally abused then you need to be a lot more clear about what he’s doing. This whole thing is really, really bizarre– is he an abuser or is he a heel? Which is it? Right now you’re making him out to be Schrödinger’s Abuser– he’s both a bad person and he’s not a bad person at the same time. What is the point here? That you don’t like the way he behaves, or is he a dangerous person? If he’s going out of his way to personally hurt people and put their lives and mental health in danger you need to call that you, not just make it sound like he’s a pee-pee head. I was severely abused by an artist and publisher so I’m not playing around here. You seem to have just said that TMC is a dangerous person. How is he hurting people? Spell it out. Not just being a public heel and having a public jerk persona– is he a dangerous person? As an abuse survivor I am passionately invested in protecting other abuse survivors. So be clear here: is he a heel or is he an actual abuser? Are you telling the world that Tyler Mahan Coe is an actual abuser? You need to be really clear here. This is serious. You’re making a serious allegation. Which is it? If you’re saying he’s an abuser that viciously hurts people he needs to be boycotted. Is that what you’re saying? Are you telling us that supporting him is leading to the serious abuse of other people?
Ralphie
July 14, 2019 @ 11:38 am
Ya might need to dial down the hysteria there a little bit. It’s possible that Tyler is a decent person and just doesn’t realize how much harm and damage his public persona is causing.
Trigger
July 14, 2019 @ 2:27 pm
Hailey,
Calling Tyler Mahan Coe an “abuser” seems like a stretch. Saying he has engaged in abusive behavior towards others probably isn’t. Sometimes these things are not binary conclusions. That’s why I included screenshots and context here, so people can come to their own conclusions. Some of the people I heard from reached out after this article was posted, so that’s why this wasn’t delved in deeper here. But a couple of people have piped up in this very comments section saying they felt he had attacked them unprovoked.
I don’t want to make too much of this. All I am saying is laughing off this behavior because some see Tyler Coe as a “heel” (your words, not mine) is probably being somewhat callous to the people he’s dragged on social media, and also assuming that everyone knows he’s being sarcastic, which I severely question if he is. And even if he was sarcastic, there’s no institution or organization that would allow someone representing them to act this way publicly, and country music shouldn’t either.
Moses Mendoza
July 13, 2019 @ 3:48 am
Glad you had some space in here to take a quick shot at hip-hop!
Trigger
July 13, 2019 @ 8:08 am
So are you trying to say that beefing is not a part of hip-hop, that rappers haven’t literally killed each other over shit talking? I think it’s very important to hold hip-hop up as an example of how people taking shit about other people can get out of control.
Moses Mendoza
July 13, 2019 @ 10:01 am
Your article has absolutely nothing to do with hip-hop. It’s just about one more person who behaves like a dick on Twitter because it’s effective. But if you don’t quit tarnishing country music with this racist culture war bullshit there isn’t going to be anything left to save.
Trigger
July 13, 2019 @ 10:02 am
Huh?
Moses Mendoza
July 13, 2019 @ 10:49 am
Every third article you write has some cringe inducing foray into the culture war, whether it be taking a random shot at hip-hop, writing extensively in defense of a Confederate symbol wielding band without any acknowledgement of the other side, spending half a review mischaracterizing Orville Peck as some gay rights provocateur instead just focusing on his music, or your months long obsession with Lil Nas X. You have a great ear for music, and are a good writer, but I hate for a lot of these artists that one of the few places where they might get covered is consumed with such drivel. I guess it drives clicks.
RD
July 13, 2019 @ 7:54 pm
You’re still batting well below .200.
Trigger
July 13, 2019 @ 8:37 pm
Moses,
The only way you could come to these conclusions about this website is by allowing your eyes to gravitate towards the things you hate. Your assessment isn’t accurate at all. The fact that what you pull from this article is that I am attacking hip-hop is delusional.
And for the record, my job at Saving Country Music is not to be a music recommendation site. I write about whatever the fuck I want about, and what I believe is the most pressing issue at any point affecting the genre. Also for the record, the last few months of releases have been complete and utter shit after an excellent first half. Nothing, NOTHING worth talking about from a cool artist not receiving enough press gets overlooked here in lieu of writing something else. This is a stupid misconception based on an ignorant understanding of how I do my job. In fact I’ve been stretching to find quality music to feature here, and am getting my balls busted for it. If you don’t believe me, go look at the comments sections of the features on Rod Melancon and Lukas Nelson. Everybody demands more music features, yet nobody reads them, and the comments sections fill with “this ain’t saving country music.” I do the best job I can. You don;t like it, best of luck starting your own website, and trying to keep everyone happy.
Moses Mendoza
July 14, 2019 @ 10:51 am
I didn’t say anything about you not doing enough music reviews. For the most part, I think your reviews are great. (With the exception of the Orville Peck review, and there I don’t have any problem with any thing you said about the music itself, beyond maybe criticizing it’s originality by saying that something similar that’s no one’s ever heard of came out 20 years before.)
My beef is more that your letting an agenda of aggrievememt at perceived political correctness, or just general desire to promote your side in the war, get in the way of the actual good stuff. And for an artist like Gabe Lee or Huber, who probably don’t get much press, to get thoughtful attention and critique, but then to scroll the comment section or other articles, and have to conclude “shit one of the few places people are paying attention is filled with slavery apologists and their defenders” sucks frankly. If you don’t want to read or comment anymore, just say so. But I don’t believe in cancel culture, just in criticism. And I believe in you, which is why I call you out for this bs.
And what was your point about hip-hop, something you’ve admitted you don’t know or write a lot about, except to associate it with violence, with out any context, in an article that has nothing to do with hip-hop? Don’t you hate when people who don’t know shit about country engage in cheap and pointless stereotypes?
Moses Mendoza
July 14, 2019 @ 11:11 am
Also, NOTHING worth talking about but not a word on Dylan Earl?
Trigger
July 14, 2019 @ 2:19 pm
Dude, Dylan Earl hasn’t even released his album yet. It’s not out for another three weeks, and I never review albums until they’re released. He’s on the radar. I’ve conversed with him personally. This is a good example of the unrealistic expectations people put on me while demanding review material.
Ralphie
July 14, 2019 @ 11:34 am
Idk about everyone else, but I read every review. I just don’t think there’s as much reason for people to comment about reviews, other than to tell you good job. When you say people don’t read the reviews are you basing that on click tracking or the amount of comments?
And I completely agree about the releases here lately, but as I said in another comment on this article, Joseph Huber has turned that around with Moondog. IMO it’s definitely a top contender for album of the year.
Trigger
July 14, 2019 @ 2:17 pm
The traffic to reviews or anything else is not determined by comments. I don’t like discussing this matter, because some believe I’m complaining about the amount of traffic reviews get. If I was in the traffic business, I wouldn’t write any reviews at all because it’s usually 25 to 1 the amount of traffic they get compared to other content. My only point is that people can complain in comments all they want that they want to see more reviews and less of this stuff, but their actions speak louder. Much Louder. It doesn’t mean there’s not a dedicated population that reads all my reviews, and I most certainly appreciate them. But the population that purposely avoids them is about 20-times greater. Nonetheless, I still post an incredible amount of reviews for one person and always work to post more. But even if I posted nothing but album reviews, there would still only be two or three a week, because the limit has to do with how much music I can cram in my brain, not what I’m spending my time with. Perhaps at times a review might go delayed, but it would never not get written. And as I’ve said numerous times, in the case of Joe Huber and other releases, if I don’t have the benefit of a review copy, it’s going to take days for that review to get written. The idea I would skip a Joe Huber review to talk about troubles with Tyler Mahan Coe is just not true.
Moses Mendoza
July 14, 2019 @ 2:49 pm
It was more of a joke/nudge for you to review the album, but I’m glad you will. And for the record I’ve never made a criticism of the lack of album reviews, just your Confederate flag defenses and the like. It would be so much nicer for DEarl to get a review somewhere that wasn’t tarnished with that crap. And of course it’s your site and I should get my own and you write whatever the fuck you want, etc etc etc but I don’t think I’d be serving you to not criticize that crap, as it bound to lead you nowhere good.
OX TONGUE BAND
July 13, 2019 @ 4:22 am
You all need to calm down and relax. I’m an Australian and you can trust me. Turn the phone off for an hour and have a cuppa tea. Then you will see things clearly.
Musiccitymang
July 15, 2019 @ 3:51 am
This is the funniest comment on this whole thread.
OX TONGUE MUSIC
July 15, 2019 @ 4:41 am
Thanks buddy! Got to lighten this shit up.
Mike W.
July 13, 2019 @ 4:39 am
I’m shocked that the spawn of one of the worst human beings in Country music history, is a chip off the old block.
clayton
July 13, 2019 @ 6:07 am
This post is evidence that both of you would benefit from a good editor. Tyler would’ve been benefited from somebody who could give him a deadline and help him make it.
SCM could use a perspective from somebody who isn’t so close to the subject before publishing. He’s certainly not the first or the most notable person to question the concept of ‘saving country music.’ He’s not even the most famous son of a country legend to have his issues with this website. He’s just not as important as you’re presenting him to be.
His Twitter presence more closely aligns with his YFBS work. It reminds me of a wrestling heel, so I’ve never taken it seriously. And those tweets make a lot more sense if you listen to the YFBS podcast. If there is a serious point to that persona/podcast, it’s to knock out the preciousness/deification of music and musicians. The 2-part episode on Madonna would probably be a good place to start, if you’re curious.
Also, it was mentioned in another comment, but the last screenshot is nonsense for the purpose of this post.
Atomic Zombie Redneck
July 13, 2019 @ 9:46 am
I don’t know what precipitated his transformation to obscenity spewing troll, but I think I know what’s caused it to continue and become all consuming. It’s the instant gratification of likes, shares, retweets, and new followers.
Look at any social media platform, forum, or comment section and you’ll see what kind of rhetoric gets the most attention; negative, inflammatory, critical, foul mouthed comments and rants. There’s no great intellect, skill or nuance behind this kind of online presence. It’s lazy, unoriginal, simplistic, and often defended as being “real”, “honest” and “unfiltered”. And so long as these trolls are rewarded with the attention they seek, they’re not going away anytime soon.
JK
July 13, 2019 @ 12:35 pm
He’s rather too addicted to novelty takes nowadays, which would be fine were it not for his belief in his absolute correctness. His insistance, for instance, that The Grand Tour is so sad because the singer’s wife definately died in childbirth, and everyone who hears it differently (that she has taken their child and left him) is completely wrong, rather reminds me of the obstinate ramblings of an English student who struggles with the concepts of ambiguity and metaphor. Hot takes aside, though, I’m quite looking forward to seeing what he does with George Jones for the next series, especially with access to the HOF archives!
SteveG
July 13, 2019 @ 6:06 pm
I was willing to give him a pass until I read the comment about Stevie Ray Vaughan. Now I’m grabbing my pitchfork.
Kevin Smith
July 14, 2019 @ 12:18 pm
Yeah, the Stevie Ray Vaughan hate is an odd one. I’ve never found a musician that hates SRV or thinks he’s over rated. He truly took blues guitar to another place and maintained the modesty to still point people to Buddy Guy and Albert King whenever he had opportunity. Yes SRV was a train wreck personally for many years, but aren’t they all? He was in my mind, a brilliant musician.
If Tyler is gonna own this role as country music historian, he would benefit by being less of a blowhard. He has the ability to do some amazing work, a shame to throw away a potentially huge audience by trying to cater to a more edgy crowd. Can you imagine Eddie Stubbs or Larry Black speaking that way?
Trigger
July 14, 2019 @ 2:11 pm
Think of all that Eddie Stubbs has done in country music as a broadcaster. Has Eddie Stubbs ever been featured with a display at the Country Music Hall of Fame? Cocaine & Rhinestones is great. But it’s literally 14 episodes, and Tyler is out there running everyone down on social media. If he wants to be a blowhard, that’s his business. They start giving him the keys to country music institutions, it feels like a problem.
CountryKnight
July 14, 2019 @ 2:26 pm
Not surprising.
People will always make excuses for others that share their options on a subject. Just look at how football fans defend their own player when he is confronted with an allegation while at the same time calling for the suspension of an opponent’s player facing a similar allegation.
Like Trigger said, Tyler champions the same causes that the country music media champions so he is good in their book and worthy of a pass.
Trigger
July 14, 2019 @ 4:45 pm
I agree. This is a really pernicious symptom of the current political climate, where people on both sides will excuse the behavior of people they feel are allies, while nitpicking the behavior of the people on the other side.
Musiccitymang
July 15, 2019 @ 3:55 am
Calm your tits, mate. There’s someone here from Australia. And they have tea.
Concerned about Trigger
July 19, 2019 @ 5:40 pm
Trigger, maybe you need to take a vacation for a week or two, get off the social media and away from a computer, you seem stressed and filled with furious anger.
Express
August 25, 2019 @ 12:17 am
I said so many stupid things in public when I was young. At the time I thought I was being perfectly correct in expressing myself so clearly about things I did not like. I thought I knew what I was talking about. And I did. What I didn’t know then was that I would learn more and more as time went by. Until eventually I realized that I rarely had all the facts about anything. I learned that I didn’t actually understand what I thought I understood. I learned that a single point of view is not enough. And that I only will ever have only my point of view. I’ve learned its more helpful to be helpful. And not helpful to be mean. And I learned that I always knew when I was being mean even when I pretended I didn’t. And I learned that the faster one changes one’s ways and stops being mean the more fun my own life became. Humility is best learned young anyway. For an old fool is the same old fool. I also learned nobody gives a shit what I think anyway.
Michael Strasser
October 10, 2019 @ 4:47 am
I’m a huge fan of country music, just not the variety that lives on mainstream country radio these days, so I was happy when I heard someone with an insider’s knowledge was doing a podcast on the illustrious history of the genre. I cued up the ET episode when my cousin and I got in the truck last year to go hunting. About ten minutes in, my cousin flatly said he couldn’t listen any longer because the guy’s delivery was like fingernails on a chalkboard. I had to agree. Coe came across more like a snotty gay teenager reading for the lead in the school play than a serious insider commenting on cultural history.
I will say that I’m not surprised that this turned sour. Coe comes from a family known for provocative and angst-ridden public outbursts that have damaged the reputation of country music. Add this one to the list.
Wynne
October 13, 2019 @ 5:57 pm
I’m 71 years old and was raised on country music in the great state of North Carolina. I am not on twitter, or Facebook, and my kids finally made me get a cell phone for the first time a few months ago. I must be an antisocial mediast. I did come across Coe’s C&R podcast last month and binged my way through the entire season. I thoroughly enjoyed the stories and was greatly impressed with Coe’s depth, style, and methodology. Having received a B.A. in History (for love, not money) I appreciate a story with the ring of truth to it. I am looking forward to the next season.
I am surprised and sorry to hear that Mr. Coe does not play nice with others. I hope he can, at some point, reconsider his ass-holier-than-thou attitude. There are plenty of creative assholes in all walks of life, but when ultimately it comes time to consider their histories, you usually get a pretty sad tale.
Too bad. I was really looking forward to an episode about Gram Parsons.
McCoy
October 25, 2019 @ 7:23 am
Don’t listen to his “Your favorite band sucks” podcast then. I tried to listen to it but it is just so awful. Tyler comes off as a total try hard and immature brat. It is hard to believe this is a 35 year old man.
Bob Rabbit
November 4, 2019 @ 6:33 am
From his latest rambling manic “explanation” video definitely looks like something is off. (I love Jones btw but a whole season sounds wonky too) The podcast was great but if he doesn’t get his act together people will just move on to the next thing like they always do. Or someone will just lift his idea and do it better. Rehab.
Seymour
November 24, 2019 @ 7:46 pm
I’m glad you wrote this. I loved the C&R podcast and decided to become a Patreon supporter of Coe. A couple of months into it he made fun of me on social media for having less followers than him. He’s lost my support and my money.
A. Lively
December 5, 2019 @ 5:16 pm
I followed Coe for a while on Twitter but I got tired of his condescending ways. Too bad. I love his podcast and it inspired my own music history podcast, which is now in Year 2. I appreciated his voice on country music history (although an exhibit in the Country Music Hall of Fame does seem a bit extreme.)
Lisa W.
June 19, 2020 @ 3:04 pm
What’s your podcast? I have a 2-year-long music podcast void to fill since C&R shut down. 🙂
John
December 26, 2019 @ 6:48 am
Beginning with his comment that his father’s wreck a few years ago was ” a little accident” was a hint to me that Tyler made not be the most compassionate human being on earth. If one sees the images of the elder Coe’s Chevy Suburban, he’s lucky to have survived that crash. While his dad certainly has his faults, it doesn’t give Tyler permission to treat others with so much disrespect. Especially other musicians and singers. If he showed some class when commenting on others, he would go far with his podcasts. Instead, he chooses to be his own worst enemy by taking the negative route. I really had high hopes for him. I saw him with his dad a few times on stage and he impressed me. When his dad dumped him from the band, I thought that was a huge mistake, not to mention the estrangement that followed. Tyler’s airing of family dirty laundry began to bother me. All his dad did was say that many deserted him after the accident. He didn’t name names or tell people in print that his son was “dead to him”, as Tyler said about his dad. When it came to this family split, there weren’t any good guys. The outcome has truly been sad.
Lisa W.
June 19, 2020 @ 3:01 pm
Thank you for telling it like it is. I loved Cocaine and Rhinestones Season 1 and recommended it to everyone I though might listen to it and enjoy it. I used to follow Tyler Mahan Coe on social media too but I ditched him after everything he posted started to be snark and hate. I don’t need that kind of negativity in my life. If he ever puts out a Season 2 I’ll give it a shot but if it’s anything like his social media posts- no thanks. I won’t listen, nor will I recommend it. It’s a shame. Season 1 of C&R was so incredibly great and I’m not even much of a country music fan. Hopefully whatever he’s going through in his life will get resolved and he can go back to being the Tyler we knew and enjoyed; the amazing storytelling Tyler who wasn’t a jerk.
Larry M.
December 29, 2020 @ 4:23 pm
Any Updates on this, Trigger? Just wondering if anything has changed…
Trigger
December 29, 2020 @ 5:53 pm
Year-and-a-half later since I posted this, he’s yet to post a new episode, though I believe he posts monthly updates to his Patreon folks stringing them along as he wastes much of his days down talking on people on Twitter. I have no doubt new episodes will emerge at some point, and they’ll probably be great. There’s also probably going to be some sort of compendium on George Jones songs. But who knows when that will be.
Jamie
July 24, 2021 @ 10:46 am
As a person that just found YFBS podcasts, like many I started listening because the premise of the Beatles, Stones, etc. sucking was interesting. I find him the funnier of the two (Moseley often just recaps ideas and Coe studies it up way more). I don’t love the over the top F word usage- it detracts from the points. Bad comedians often just F word the whole act to sound edgier. Two things jump out at me about YFBS. 1. Coe misses the whole point of context because he was not around for many of the bands he critiques. I don’t disagree with many of the points but he often doesn’t recognize that the filters of the internet and streaming music didn’t always exist. We relied on radio only to hear music, which in turn was controlled by big record companies. Fleetwood Mac, Queen, etc all became big because the choices were limited. Many of his criticisms are fair, but his podcast would better be named “Bands you can skip listening to if you’ve never heard them before” and would provide more value. Relying solely on musical talent doesn’t tell the entire story of why certain artists got big (mtv, relentless touring, marketing). I find many of the criticisms just too general or too reliant on poking fun at bad lyrics. Most bands are early 20’s and have little concept of deep thought, so ripping on stupid lyrics is kind of redundant. I would find them more genuine if they at least picked one song, player, or part that they found somewhat interesting. Many of the artists they slam are the most popular in history and had to have some redeeming quality. I like the idea of critiquing if it were presented more maturely.
red_z
February 13, 2024 @ 5:56 pm
A man is only happy as he wants to be.