No, Don’t Put Dolly Parton in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame (Yet)
Look, if you’ve landed on a site called “Saving Country Music,” the kind of reverence the name “Dolly Parton” evokes around these parts shouldn’t even need to be stated, so I’ll spare you the litany of qualifying plaudits and hyperlinks to the reams of positive coverage she’s received here over the years. Dolly Parton is unquestionably one of the greatest country music artists of all time, and one of the greatest music artists of all time, period. And in some departments like songwriting and universal likability, Dolly Parton has no peer.
But Dolly Parton doesn’t deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, at least not at the moment when there are so many other women and men waiting in the wings that are much more deserving, and could use the distinction to preserve a legacy that Dolly Parton already has secured for herself by many fold. And asserting that Dolly Parton should be in the Rock Hall—and especially that it’s some sort of egregious offense or oversight to her legacy that she isn’t already—is just flat out ridiculous and wrong-minded.
It seems weird this is even a matter we’re being forced to discuss, but in the wake of the release of the names of the 2020 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees earlier this week, there’s been ample discussion about the lack of women, and somehow, Dolly Parton’s name has been put at the very top of the heap of the Rock Hall’s gross oversights. “No, Dolly Parton hasn’t been inducted,” starts a tweet from NPR, linking to an article where Dolly and 40 other women are presented as worthy candidates with a picture of Dolly as the headline image—like it’s a given that Dolly’s exclusion is incredulous and shocking as opposed to just a simple matter of genre.
The NPR article goes on to also list Patsy Cline, Loretta Lynn, Emmylou Harris, Tanya Tucker, and the Dixie Chicks as other artists who deserve Rock Hall induction, while somehow not mentioning rock bands like The Go’s Go’s and The Bangles who were a big part in breaking down gender barriers in rock as some of the first all-women bands that went onto be wildly successful, yet are still not in. An article in Billboard also mentions Dolly Parton in their Top 10 of women who should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Now granted, it’s not unprecedented that a country performer would end up enshrined in Cleveland. Hank Williams and Jimmie Rodgers are, but both were bluesmen who were inducted as “early influence” artists, and deservedly so. Johnny Cash is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but seeing how his career started during the Sun Studios era right beside Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis, and he was considered just as much rockabilly as country by many early in his career, not to mention Cash’s late career resurgence that happened just as much through rock channels as country, he was an easy pick.
And it’s not that the women of country have been excluded from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame entirely. Wanda Jackson is a Rock and Roll Hall of Famer, and is known just as much from her long career in country and rockabilly just as much as rock and roll. Brenda Lee is also in the Rock Hall, along with the Country Music Hall of Fame. These would be the kind of performers who crossed genres that country fans should root for being in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
And it’s not that there aren’t some rock and rollers in the Country Music Hall of Fame. Elvis is in there, as are The Everly Brothers. But again, these are artists whose careers cut right across the influences of country, rock, and gospel, and put enough effort and influence into both to attain the dual induction.
And it’s not even that there isn’t a scenario where Dolly Parton couldn’t or shouldn’t be placed in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in the future. But that should be a future where the amount of rock and roll talent to induct is so tapped, you’re just looking for exciting names to put forward. That is certainly not the scenario we find ourselves in right now. As long as artists like Pat Benetar and The Go Go’s whose influence on rock was clear and present are still waiting their turn, we shouldn’t even be talking about Dolly Parton or any country artists getting in.
The line to get into these Halls of Fame is single file, even when it comes to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, which feels extremely more open with the five to seven inductees each year, compared to the Country Hall’s three per year. As a country music fan, I don’t want country artists overshadowing or cutting in line in front of important rock and roll talent for that distinction. Rock fans and performers are our brothers and sisters, and we should respect their space and institutions instead of trying to impinge on them for our own purposes, or act like they’re being insulting or not inclusive by not letting someone like Dolly Parton or any other patently country performer in.
And yes, I get that Dolly Parton had her period of pop, which is probably one of the only slight qualifying points of why you could see Parton getting a Rock Hall nomination in the future, especially after they’ve put in performers like Madonna and Whitney Houston. But as country fans and advocates, let’s be more respectful of rock’s institutions. There is no big, established pop or hip-hop Hall of Fame like country has. We have our strong and vibrant institutions, and just as much as we wouldn’t want outside voices assuaging us to let pop or rock artists in under the misguided notions of inclusiveness, we shouldn’t use our voices to act like we are being excluded if country’s superstars don’t make it among the rockers.
And this brings up the next concern for saying that Dolly Parton or other country artists (women or otherwise) should be considered for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, or even worse, that it’s an offense they aren’t already in there. As Billboard says in their opinion of why Dolly should be in, “The lack of Rock Hall attention given to Dolly Parton has been extended to any number of the great ladies of country—Patsy Cline, Loretta Lynn, Emmylou Harris—and a number of the men, too.”
See, that’s when you start traveling down a slippery slope. If Dolly gets in, then how can you justify Willie Nelson not being in? Or how about Merle Haggard, since he so heavily influenced the California rockers of the 60’s and 70’s. And speaking of that, why not Buck Owens who built one of the important foundations for country rock? And if we’re measuring the overall cultural impact of a performer, you would have to put Garth Brooks in. He’s sold more music than even Elvis. And if you really want to talk about what defines rock, a lot of modern country artists fit the profile exactly. Jason Aldean may be one of the most pure rockers in mainstream entertainment at the moment. Do we put him in when he’s eligible in a few years?
Now you see how out-of-hand this thing can get, and very quickly, where you could have country stars outright dominating future Hall of Fame classes. This is what happened when the Rock Hall started putting in people that had no business being in there previously, like pop and hip-hop stars. How could you have Madonna in there and not Whitney Houston? How did you induct Tupac and leave out Notorious B.I.G.? Then you have to induct these artists to calm your critics, and meanwhile women like Pat Benetar, and incredibly important bands like Motörhead are on the outside looking into an institution they should have been inducted into years ago. Attempting to be “inclusive” commonly comes with the exclusion of others, and sometimes the more qualified. Country artists should not be a party to those offenses, especially since they have their own strong and vibrant Hall of Fame to seek induction into.
It’s past time hip-hop had their own standalone Hall of Fame that had just as much clout as the Rock and Country counterparts. Pop could have one too, but it’s always been a closer cousin to rock, so how those two institutions interact is a more involved discussion. But overall, we have to stop acting like every institution is being exclusionary simply based off of optics. Ultimately, music is still a meritocracy, and should remain so where the best, brightest, most important and influential are highlighted to inspire us all and goad everyone towards achieving their personal goals. And in the case of Halls of Fame, merit isn’t just about what you did, but how you did it based off of style and influence. Brett Favre was an astounding football player. But that doesn’t mean he deserves to be in the Basketball Hall of Fame.
Dolly Parton is country, and whether the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame recognizes her or not, her legacy is cemented in American and world culture for eternity, as are the contributions of many other artists who may or may not get their name or likeness installed in some sacred music institution at some point. It’s fun to discuss how these decisions should and shouldn’t go, and of course everyone’s opinion varies, and we should all make sure the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, The Grammy Awards, The Oscars, and all these other institutions judge artists based off their merit, and any and all vestiges of sexism or racism are torn down to make sure they don’t impinge anyone’s chances.
But in this case, putting Dolly Parton or other country women into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame wouldn’t be beneficial to women or country. It would be exclusionary to the women and men of rock, who deserve that distinction more than country artists do.
January 18, 2020 @ 10:48 am
If everybody is a Hall of Famer then nobody is a Hall of Famer.
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a joke.
January 18, 2020 @ 10:52 am
….and I don’t want Dolly Parton or any other country artist being the punchline. Can you imagine the anti-Dolly backlash that would come from people if she actually got put in above rock acts that have been waiting their turn for decades?
January 18, 2020 @ 11:06 am
Yep, the major problem the RR Hall has is that it’s less a Hall and more a yearly concert. And it’s only going to get worse because who are the Hall worthy rock acts of the last 20 or so years?
I think ‘rock’ has always been a broad term so I have no problem with Aretha, Marvin Gaye, Michael Jackson, Madonna etc. making the Hall but country music would never fit that definition.
Maybe Dolly because she is so loved would escape ridicule and Willie mainly because of marijuana would be safe but how could they stop with just those two.
It’s just ridiculous. The fact of the matter is if you are going to go strictly on ‘rock’ in the classic sense there aren’t that many women that fit the bill.
P.S.- Taylor Swift will be in the RR Hall of Fame in what 15 years?
January 18, 2020 @ 11:50 am
Willie frequently toured with Bob Dylan, Neil Young, Leon Russel, and The Grateful Dead. His music in the 70’s could have easily veered into the jam band/ rock genre. I think justifying his induction into the Rock N Roll HOF based on marijuana usage is very shortsighted. Go stream Willie & Family Live.
As for Dolly, some of her music in the 80s was straight up pop. I always get a hankering for some Dolly, but end up skipping half the songs because they sound like “Don’t Call it Love.”
January 18, 2020 @ 12:00 pm
I wasn’t saying Willie would be inducted because of marijuana I was replying to Trigger’s comment that he didn’t want country greats to be punchlines and I think for better or worse Willie has a cache with a lot wider audience because of the whole marijuana thing.
I wish it wasn’t so because his legacy doesn’t need it.
January 18, 2020 @ 12:38 pm
”P.S.- Taylor Swift will be in the RR Hall of Fame in what 15 years?”’
yeah ….cuz SHE’s a rock n roller ……. . y’know…like aldone and rhett are country singers ………
January 19, 2020 @ 10:37 am
Absolutely NOT. Dolly Parton is UNIVERSALLY beloved. While I understand you guys get “first pick” with her, anyone would be honored to have her on their team. She has TWO stars on the Walk of Fame.
S/N HAPPY 74TH BIRTHDAY, DOLLY!
We L💖VE You!
January 18, 2020 @ 1:52 pm
I can’t imagine anything less rock and roll than a museum.
January 19, 2020 @ 3:44 pm
you got that right
January 26, 2020 @ 4:06 pm
I can, and it’s already there.
January 18, 2020 @ 11:18 am
Dolly is not a rock and roll singer so why put her in the rock and roll hall of fame? I only know of one rockabilly song that she recorded in 1959, “Puppy Love”.
January 18, 2020 @ 11:29 am
Because we’re looking for things to be outraged by. Everybody likes Dolly Parton, so you present her name as someone who is being slighted, and you can get people to react. But a logical assessment verifies that there’s no offense to be had here.
January 18, 2020 @ 12:06 pm
It’s also a case of viable women in rock being lacking so you have to find them somewhere so you go where you can find them.
The fact that this topic comes up shows that there just aren’t any candidates (maybe Pat Benatar but in my mind she’s borderline at best). It’s not some big conspiracy by the patriarchy or whatever the latest term is it’s just reality.
January 18, 2020 @ 3:21 pm
Viable women in rock being lacking? Huh? How about…
To name a few.
January 18, 2020 @ 4:40 pm
First of all I was referring to women not already in the HOF which many on your list are.
And some of those on your list are not HOF quality, sorry. I liked ‘Luka’ but Suzanne Vega is not HOF worthy and ‘Voices Carry’ was awesome 80s pop but Aimee Mann is not HOF worthy either.
January 19, 2020 @ 6:12 am
January 18, 2020 @ 4:03 pm
Yeah, Pat only won four Grammys in a row for Female Rock Vocal Performance, along with four more nominations for the same category within the same ten year stretch. Definitely borderline.
January 18, 2020 @ 4:42 pm
Borderline to me yes and apparently to others since she can’t get in. The Rock Hall is way to open door and the Country Hall is way to tight in my opinion.
January 18, 2020 @ 4:49 pm
For example, I love Electric Light Orchestra (ELO) and I have since I was kid. Just always loved their Beatlesque sound but I didn’t and don’t think they are HOF worthy but they got in a couple of years ago.
It’s possible to really like an artist and think they are really talented and cool while at the same time realizing they aren’t among the greatest greats of all time. This is true for the rock HOF and the country HOF.
January 18, 2020 @ 5:06 pm
You don’t think ELO are HOF worthy?!?!?! For real? Oh my god, that’s crazy. Jeff Lynne is an absolute genius and they have a billion hit songs.
January 18, 2020 @ 5:34 pm
Well, ELO was never my cup of tea, but objectively I can see their technical competence, and they sold a shit ton of records, so I don’t begrudge their presence in the HOF a bit.
Do I think Pat Benatar is the only HOF snub? No, I think Kansas, Boston, Foreigner, and STYX ought to be in there. Heck, Whitesnake, too.
January 18, 2020 @ 5:39 pm
Yeah, like I said I love them. They are among handful of late 70s acts that really got me interested in music and made me a huge fan. Bands like Boston (their debut album may be the one of the greatest albums ever, sounds so great), Supertramp, Fleetwood Mac, and ELO were what got me started.
But Boston and Supertramp aren’t in the HOF even though I think are great and that’s how I view ELO also. But I’m happy for Jeff Lynne who has gone on to participate in a ton of great projects as a producer and contributor with George Harrison, Tom Petty, The Beatles and of course the Traveling Wilburys.
In my mind HOFs should be exclusive but not too exclusive and the rock and country HOFs are at the two extremes.
January 18, 2020 @ 12:34 pm
INSANE!!!! The shocking (maybe not) thing about this is the people making this noise are very educated and seemingly intelligent folks. Yet they can’t comprehend the differences between music genres???!! Do they understand there’s a country music Hall of fame??
Reality is the physical building that houses the RHOF could never contain exhibits to represent all the interlopers being named. I know, I’ve been there, and space isn’t infinite. It was built for Rock and Roll, not all of pop music, not for Hip-Hop, not for Country Music,.
But thanks to all the Political clamoring, they have caved in to the pressure. Reality is, no one’s gonna build a Pop Music or Hip-Hop Hall of Fame anytime soon. And if they did, would it make enough money to survive? There was an ill fated Museum of Funk Music that someone tried in Dayton Ohio and it failed miserably because no one supported it. So, appatently the Rock Hall should be expected to serve as some kind of catch- all. Ok, let’s keep going then and add Zydeco, Jazz, Classical and Electronica, Polka, Norwegian Black Metal, Opera, Reggae, Ska, Lounge, Exotica, and the other excluded genres. Participation trophy’s for all. Maybe you can build additions on to the already large building and rename it the Music Hall of Fame. Sound good? Now about that 100 million needed to expand….
January 19, 2020 @ 9:16 am
I would think you just have to have an artist who has the funding or the ability to get funding as well as being caring enough. Someone like Marty Stuart in country. I don’t know much else besides country music to name a guy in a different genre or a specific one to be that person. Jack white is the only one who comes to mind from what I’ve seen that crosses varying genres and a wide collection. Has the funding for a label perhaps it expands from his personal collection.
The country hall of fame couldn’t or wouldn’t be what it is currently without donations of money or time. The one that pops out is Taylor swifts four million donation. Then time for all for the hall concerts.
Nashville supports enough artist museums as well other genres of music. Just notice how many artists that win Grammys are from there and many not country. Could it support another hall of fame for a different genre? That I have no idea.
January 19, 2020 @ 9:14 pm
Kevin, you mean it should just be for your narrow definition of rock ‘n’ roll? Why do you feel this way? Btw, hip-hop is a global phenomenon. It has done just fine and will continue to be a major musical force. In a poll of kids in our predominantly white school district, 83% named rap or hip-hop as their favorite genre. This is in Pennsylvania. At a rural southern district where I worked (more than 90% white), hip-hop was the genre of choice by a wide margin. Music — and rock ‘n’ roll — is constantly evolving. This is a good thing. There’s a reason why rockabilly and some early forms of rock ‘n’ roll petered out quickly. It was extremely limited in scope.
January 20, 2020 @ 7:16 am
Thanks for the feedback Jim. I know I’m not the authority on what constitutes Rock and Roll. It’s an artform in the field of entertainment and subjective to opinion. My personal definition however, would definitely include the significant blues and early R&B artists that directly influenced it. Ike Turners a great example, Rocket 88 is one of the early R&R songs that came out of R&B and blues. The early Rockabilly guys are also part of it, as are the Doo-Wop groups, the so-called Classic Rock era, the British Invasion bands, all the hard Rock and metal groups that came along, but let’s also include Punk as a big part of it. And we’d be remiss not to include the massive influence of Alternative Rock starting with people like The Velvet Underground and on into the huge Alt explosion of the nineties that continued into today. Then you’ve got the current folks like Five Finger Death Punch, Chevelle, and the like, as well as the great Prog Rock folks thst also live on in bands like Dream Theater and on. There are hundreds of artists still not in the RHOF who either should or will in time be there. I’m scratching the surface here. So, narrow minded? I dunno.
My central point is a lack of room in that building in Cleveland, which can’t contain all the Rock and Roll artists that could be honored before you flood it with others.
Hip Hop should get its own museum, perhaps it will, and maybe you could include Blues, Soul, R&B and Funk as well, considering these genres led up to its formation.
The issue today is some folks are not comfortable with categories and standards in anything. These people are angry with any organization that has exclusions or standards. This is spilling into society much to our detriment I believe. IMO, genres are in fact important , not only in providing structure and organization to music, but as cultural identifiers which in fact give prominence and merit to the endless creative expressiveness of artists and musicians in every part of this planet. And the beauty of it all, is we are free to explore and find what we like and be inspired to create our own artforms.
Trig has often written about the impending Mono-Genre, where everything sounds the same and we lose the true diversity and beauty of music, in favor of being part of a large collective that only rewards inclusiveness, but doesn’t allow for true individuality and cultural expression. What a sorry world that would be.
January 26, 2020 @ 4:09 pm
That’s just sad
January 18, 2020 @ 12:35 pm
Love Dolly but Rock HOF should be a no go. The Hall has lost all relevance due to some of their selections. e.g. Donna Summers, Cat Stephens. She does not need this.
Also, I know that Garth has sold more records than Elvis in the US but not worldwide…not even close.
January 19, 2020 @ 9:32 pm
It’s Summer, not Summers. Stevens, not Stephens. Re Donna Summer: she belongs due to her enormous influence on future generations of music. When Mike Chapman produced “Heart of Glass” for Blondie, he had “I Feel Love” on his mind. With “Heart of Glass,” Blondie became the first new-wave act to have a #1 single in America. They went on top have four #1’s. Blondie — by way of Donna Summer and Giorgio Moroder — broke new wave wide open. By 1980, groups like The Clash, The Cars, and others were playing hockey arenas. This music opened doors for R.E.M., U2, and other cutting-edge music that enjoyed mainstream success later on. In this way, one can argue that “I Feel Love” paved the way for Nirvana and grunge. It’s a pivotal record by an influential artist. We need to stop putting music in tiny boxes. That especially goes for disco, as the entire “Disco Sucks” movement was due to bigotry against black and gay people. Enough with that stuff.
January 18, 2020 @ 12:49 pm
It’s always seemed to me like the Rock And Roll Hall of Fame has become the “All Popular Music Except Jazz and Country Hall of Fame”. That’s fine by me, we’ve got our own anyway.
I guess Dolly could qualify based on her crossover era, but it gets kind of muddy if you go there. I mean, you mentioned Garth and honestly, The Thunder Rolls is a rock song.
The one person who comes to mind as a possible inductee to both halls is Linda Ronstadt, who’s already in the rock hall – Carrie Underwood and Emmylou Harris sang at her induction.
January 18, 2020 @ 12:52 pm
The doors of the Country Music Hall of Fame have been closed very tightly, excluding (for now), a lot of extremely deserving artists and others. In contrast, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame includes many artists and others who don’t deserve to be in a ROCK AND ROLL hall of fame, and some who don’t deserve to be in ANY Hall of Fame.
As a result, visiting the Country Music HoF is thrilling, whereas I don’t have much interest in visiting the RR HoF and having to wade through the dreck in search of the true standouts, geniuses, and influencers.
January 18, 2020 @ 1:50 pm
Well then it’s high time AC/DC gets inducted into the Country Music Hall of Fame.
In saner news, Randall King has a new one out called “Hey Cowgirl.”
January 18, 2020 @ 2:18 pm
Well, Brian Johnson interviewed Dolly on his highly entertaining TV show and she said her husband loves AC/DC so that should be enough.
January 27, 2020 @ 6:47 am
Brian Johnson has a great personality and does some great interviews.
January 18, 2020 @ 2:45 pm
Well, Ride On is almost a country song imho 😉
January 18, 2020 @ 2:55 pm
Looks like to me the RnR hall of fame is looking for publicity-
January 18, 2020 @ 5:06 pm
Remember, kids! There’s nothing more offensive to bloggers-turned-clickbait-contract journalists than the acknowledgment of musical genres! There is zero evidence of the aforementioned country artists ever desiring to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and their fans have certainly never clamored for it to happen. The worst part is that the ones complaining the loudest (i.e., the bloggerists) have little-to-no knowledge of music history or music journalism outside of the five minutes of Googling required to put some pay-per-click word vomit on a page each weekday.
Also, Billboard clamoring for Dolly to be in the R&R HoF is hilarious considering how they are the ones that pulled Lil Nas X from the country charts. When can we expect a Billboard article arguing for his inclusion in the Country Music Hall of Fame in 19 years?
January 19, 2020 @ 1:50 am
What a hateful article! Only rockers SHOULD be in the RRHOF. HOW does Whitney qualify in your mind, over Pat Benetar, and Dolly not at hall?
January 19, 2020 @ 9:12 am
Couldn’t follow your second sentence. Didn’t say Whitney was qualified. Kind of argued she isn’t. Definitely don’t think she qualifies over Pat Benetar. And I also didn’t say that Dolly Parton doesn’t qualify at all. My entire point is that rock artists like Pat Benetar should go in before people like Dolly. Only then let someone like Dolly Parton in.
January 19, 2020 @ 9:57 pm
Benatar, not Benetar. She had some hits but zero influence (save for the cafeteria girls who looked like her in “Fast Times at Ridgemont High”). Benatar, therefore, is the essence of an artist who would be in a hall of “very popular.” Whitney Houston was different, influential and remains so. Rock ‘n’ roll has always been about challenging society’s norms. At its best, it is inclusive as opposed to exclusive. It moves forward as opposed to lagging in the past. I get a kick of the “history” nerds who want to deny hip-hop, R&B, and other black music forms their rightful place in a museum that celebrates rock ‘n’ roll. If not for black music, there would be no rock ‘n’ roll. While many of the great ’50s rockers had a background in country music, their desire to play rock ‘n’ roll was a move to break from that stuff. Nashville’s country music establishment feared rock ‘n’ roll and railed against it. Backward thinking on their part. It’s why traditional country music is square on so many levels. And why “Old Country Road” will ultimately prove to be a positive step for the genre. Move ahead, not back.
January 20, 2020 @ 4:24 pm
Old Town Road, not Old Country Road.
January 21, 2020 @ 7:46 am
I agree that without black folks, there would be no rock and roll. I’m also not one to get too bothered by the inclusion of artists whose music doesn’t fit into the “rock” music genre. It’s the “Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,” not the “Rock Music Hall of Fame.” I do associate a “rock and roll spirit” with some of the hip hop artists in the HOF, despite not being much of hip hop fan. And there are rock bands/artists in the HOF that I don’t necessarily experience of as “rock and roll music,” even if I do like them. But with Whitney Houston, you get a little carried way in your attempt to show us how enlightened and superior you think you are and you overreach. I personally don’t see anything rock and roll about Whitney Houston. Not literally nor figuratively. Without question, a generational vocal talent. But I think the songs she sang were tame pop music songs. I imagine many of them have been covered by wedding bands.
January 27, 2020 @ 6:55 am
How was Benatar not influential? She was one of the few female faces in rock and roll and seemed to stay true to herself.
Whitney, with her marvelous voice, was one of many easy listening women on the radio. And if you listen to today’s pop music very few are interested in the vocal qualities of Benatar or Whitney, hence little influence today.
And your definition of rock and roll is so broad as to be meaningless. If hip hop is global, let them have their own hall of fame. But they’re clearly not rock and roll. You seem to be judging music more by the color of the musicians than the content of the music.
January 27, 2020 @ 6:49 am
Hateful? I don’t think that word means what you think it means.
January 19, 2020 @ 7:29 am
Hell no ! Rock is rock, and country is country, just be cause someone does a song or two with an upbeat tempo dosen’ t mean it’s rock n roll, dolly dosen’ t belong in the rock n roll hall
January 19, 2020 @ 9:00 am
I LOVE Dolly Parton, she is a goddess! With that being said, Rock & Roll is what it says it is. Just like the 80s, other genres are infiltrating Rock & Roll. Since when is Whitney Houston a rock and roll artist, for Pete’s sake? Pop music has watered down other genres and it has to be stopped! No more Michael Jackson and Whitney Houston AND Madonna wannabes in the R&R HOF. Makes me sick to my stomach. Let pop & R&B go build their own shrines. Next we’ll be discussing Britney Spears induction! Eeeeeeeeewwww! If this keeps up, then rename the R&R HOF to The Music Center & let Detroit build a R&R HOF! NO MORE ARTIST THAT DID NOT GET PLAY TIME ON THE WRIF OR KILO! Stop this madness!
January 19, 2020 @ 9:08 am
On what planet has Dolly ever been a rock and roll artist? She is solidly planted in the country music genre.
January 19, 2020 @ 10:40 am
Whitney Houston and all these other pop and r+b, rap artists are not rock or rock and roll. So you might as well induct Dolly. Clearly the rock hall of fame has no standards when they totally ignore the people’s votes and leave out Dave Matthew’s and Pat Benatar!
January 19, 2020 @ 8:56 pm
Hip-hop definitely belongs. It scares the bejeezus out of the white establishment. What’s more rock ‘n’ roll than that? On the other hand, Dave Matthews and Pat Benatar have ZERO to do with rock ‘n’ roll. Fan voting shouldn’t matter. It’s not the Hall of Most Popular. Plus, fans can vote multiple times. Such nonsense. Let them keep their bad taste in music to themselves.
January 20, 2020 @ 1:45 pm
Are you high? Pat benatar is one of the first women of rock. This has nothing to do with color. So save the racist bs. Whitney houston is pop and notorious big is rap. The only thing that scares me is your willful ignorance to only see color and think that other do as well. If whitney had gotten the top fan vote and not got in youd have called Al Sharpton to protest. So dont be a hypocrite. Everyone knows the rock hall of fame has turned into political bs just like most of hollywood. And hip hop and rock and roll are NOT the same thing btw. So no it does not belong. Tina Turner belongs, whitney and notorious big do not.
January 21, 2020 @ 12:40 pm
The establishment is capitalist, not white, but either way it’s certainly not scared of hip-hop – it’ll happily make money off any musical genre.
January 27, 2020 @ 6:59 am
Hip hop isn’t rock and roll, so it shouldn’t be in. Just rock and roll should be in the rock and roll hall of fame. Not country, not modern blues, not Dolly, not hip hop, not classical, not modern jazz, just rock and roll.
It really isn’t that hard or racist.
January 19, 2020 @ 3:18 pm
used to love country, til I heard the shrills, like Scotty j, now I am not so sure. you all should listen to Kevin smith, he speaks with reason, not siily feelings if it ain’t country it ain’t shit. go back and listen to yourselves!
January 19, 2020 @ 4:01 pm
What? If you’re going to criticize at least make sense. I don’t comment here much anymore but I have been a regular commenter here for many years and can’t imagine ever being described as shrill.
January 20, 2020 @ 10:43 am
I have a great idea, someone should build a shrine to Dolly Parton. Make it big, make it fun and make it all about Dolly and everything she holds dear. Put it right in the middle of Tennessee. She absolutely deserves it! I know, call it “Dollywood”. Oh wait, she’s so cool she already did that! This is why we didn’t want the R&R in Cleveland. They dishonor R&R. At the very least a candidate should have received air time on a hard rock radio station.
January 20, 2020 @ 3:29 pm
What do you mean she doesn’t deserve it? Dude she’s 74 years old and has worked in the music industry since the 1960’s, she doesn’t deserve the honor any less than anybody else in terms of her work & success. You should be happy that someone as great as her is being included and not just some artist whose only been around the last decade.
January 20, 2020 @ 5:30 pm
I think you should read the story again, or perhaps for the first time before commenting.
January 23, 2020 @ 3:22 pm
“But Dolly Parton doesn’t deserve to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, at least not at the moment when there are so many other women and men waiting in the wings that are much more deserving” – I re-iterate my point – she’s 74 dude she’s not getting any younger, if she’s not included now then when? Dolly is hot right now, her stuff on Netflix, her books, her new music, the Dolly’s America podcast, co-hosting the CMA’s last year etc. This is a big time for her. Should we give her the honor when she’s dead & not able to enjoy it? so again why doesn’t she deserve it? cause now is as good a time as any, actually it’s the best time given how busy & popular she is.
January 27, 2020 @ 6:57 am
She’s not rock and roll, that’s why she doesn’t deserve it. This shouldn’t be news to you. It’s not news to her.
January 23, 2020 @ 3:52 pm
“But in this case, putting Dolly Parton or other country women into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame wouldn’t be beneficial to women or country. It would be exclusionary to the women and men of rock, who deserve that distinction more than country artists do”
The first part about being beneficial to women or country is a narrative I’ve seen you use before. This whole ‘it’s the age of Me Too & Times Up’ stuff is bull, it’s always been that age, women have been fighting for equality for centuries, it’s just now women’s voices are louder & they have SM to help the cause. But I ask you this – if women can’t be congratulated or honoured regardless of what political things are going on than how are things ever going to change? Just because there is a very political environment out there right now doesn’t mean women can’t be honoured for their work. So what a women shouldn’t accept any awards or honours right now because its the ‘Me Too’ era and it would just look like people were kowtowing to the PC – never mind she’s worked her freaking ass off? How’s that equality?
Dolly has worked her ass off for over 50 years, why shouldn’t see get honoured? All you are doing when you use that narrative is re-iterating the belief or notion that a women can’t or shouldn’t be honoured for anything. They shouldn’t be honoured because they are women – they shouldn’t be honoured because it’s kowtowing to political BS. How about women get honoured because of the hard work they do and men just mind their own business? Because men get honoured all the time. God a women talks about miscarriage & she gets blasted for it as attention seeking. A man talks about his struggle with drugs, addiction & sex and he’s a freaking rock star & hero. If Willie Nelson was being inducted you probably wouldn’t being writing the same article about him.
And you wouldn’t include the line “wouldn’t be beneficial to women or country”. Why does it have to be beneficial? Why can’t it just be this awesome human who people from everywhere, all creeds, all colours, all nationalities etc love & are inspired by who is being given a huge honour that isn’t undeserving & everyone just be happy for her?
As for the second part – why shouldn’t a women of country be inducted? It’s Rock & Roll, the very genre was built off Country Music. You wouldn’t have Rock & Roll without Country, or Blues & Jazz (to name a few). Many different styles of music contributed to the rise of Rock & Roll. I see no harm in honouring the different genre’s that contributed to Rock & Roll.
January 22, 2020 @ 10:37 am
The RRHOF is running out of artists. Yet they induct non-rock-and-rollers before Todd Rundgren?
January 26, 2020 @ 11:13 am
The Rock hall is too busy inducting hip hop guys and pop stars who can’t sing… and looking down their noses at successful bands they don’t like with huge followings(KISS, RUSH)… they only put Joan Jett in because the bassist for Nirvana mentioned it on stage(when they were being inducted) that he was surprised that she wasn’t already in… and some folks did the math on Joan Jeet and they went ‘oh shit’ and next year she was in.
Like Motley Crue, love ’em or hate ’em they sold a lot of records and tickets, influenced a lot of bands after them who wanted to be more like them or the total opposite of them. But because they admitted to their drugs and debauchery during their heyday, they aren’t on the list either, even tho they qualify. Even tho’ people in the Hall did as much or worse than them a decade or so earlier.
They didn’t really want to put Bon Jovi in either, but it was getting kinda obvious there too about some bias.
Older country singers being an early influence on rock n roll(say pre 1960), that makes sense to me… but Dolly being in the Rock Hall makes as much sense to me as Madonna being in there(and yes, Madonna is in there, so, why not, at least Dolly can write and sing live).