This Country Music Is Racist / Beyonce Bullshit (A Rant)
WARNING: HEAVY LANGUAGE
I told you booking Beyoncé was a bad idea CMA’s. Now you’re a racist reprobate in the eyes of the politically-charged Millennial entertainment media and sycophantical pop diva worshipers who will nail people to crosses to prove the depth of their fanaticism, and so is all of country music and its bumpkin fans. Way to bring America together by booking a pop star for your country show.
So if you’re wondering what all the hubub is about, basically a bunch of racist and idiot trolls descended upon SOME of the CMA’s social network video posts about Beyonce and the Dixie Chicks performing at the CMA Awards, and left disparaging comments. And to stamp out the issue, and stop the spread of the comments that were making the CMA and country music fans look stupid, AND AT THE REQUEST OF BEYONCE’S MANAGEMENT, they deleted the posts. But unfortunately for the CMA’s this only made the situation worse. Instead of getting credit for stamping out the racist comments, they were then called racists themselves, and anti Beyonce for deleting the CMA Awards show content.
So the CMA was declared racist coming, and going. For comments they didn’t leave, and didn’t condone. And there was absolutely no recourse the CMA’s could have undertaken that could have allowed them to avoid these racism claims. Nothing. You do remember that the CMA Awards booked Beyonce for the CMA’s, right? That would seem to indicate that they’re not racist, and that they don’t hate Beyonce. But let’s all get into a mob mentality and scream and yell at each other anyway.
Basically, this issue is fucking bullshit, and nothing more than a media narrative created by extremely slavish pop diva worshipers who will smear anyone and everyone they deem against their idol. The whole fervor here, and many of the headlines have been how the CMA’s scrubbed everything relating to Beyonce from their websites, social media, etc. etc. This accusation is total bullshit, and not a single member of the sycophantical entertainment media took the time to check facts before posting these irresponsible and incorrect articles that have incited the public over a non issue. As the CMA’s explained Friday (11/4) morning:
“CMA has not erased any mentions of Beyoncé’s performance on the CMA Awards,” read a statement the association provided to The Tennessean. “The statement explained that a five-second promotional clip had been removed from ABC.com and CMA’s Facebook page because it was unapproved prior to the award show’s broadcast. As for why there were minimal posts about the performance after it was over, Trahern said Beyoncé and her team were restrictive with access — the singer used her own photographer and only approved one live video of the song, which is available at ABC.com and the CMA has shared through social media. The Tennessean had a photographer in Bridgestone Arena during the 50th CMA Awards and was also prohibited from taking photos during the performance.
In other words, who is restricting the amount of Beyonce content by the CMA and other outlets? Who keeps taking down videos? BEYONCE’S OWN PEOPLE! And by the way, as far as the videos of Beyonce’s performances, after every awards show, folks ILLEGALLY upload these videos to YouTube, MAJOR outlets like Billboard and Rolling Stone post the ILLEGAL content looking for web clicks, and they ALWAYS get taken down due to copyright claims. This happens every time. Beyonce and the Dixie Chicks are not special.
This is the problem. Everyone’s politically geeked up. Everyone’s looking for an axe to grind. Everyone’s looking for a target for their political ire. You don’t like Beyonce playing the CMA Awards? Well clearly your a fucking racist piece of shit. FUCK YOU!
I have seen many of these supposed racist tweets and comments. Some simply say that Beyonce shouldn’t be playing a country awards show. This is true, and it was true for Meghan Trainor when she performed in 2014, and she’s as white as the wind-driven snow. Others said that you would never see a country artist on the BET Awards. This is also true. But you know, who gives a shit about the truth when someone has the audacity to cross Queen Bey?
That said, fuck these fucking racist assholes who did leave genuinely disparaging comments based on race against Beyonce or anyone else. They are the absolute worst vermin in a situation filled with vermin of all stripes frothing with self-important and reckless grandiosity. Yes, country music has racists among its ranks of fans. And water is wet. And so does every form of music. There are racists that read this site every day. And make no mistake that it is imperative that their misguided ideologies be challenged on a regular basis until we break down the layers of knee-jerk hatred forevermore.
But guess what, putting Beyonce on your country music awards show didn’t help that goal one iota. It exacerbated the issue. It poured gasoline on the fire.
The problem is not Beyonce herself, though she has no business taking up an important time at a country music awards show that could have gone to a country artist who would benefit greater from the exposure. The problem is her sycophants and surrogates in both the media, and most importantly in Beyonce’s “Beyhive”—the greatest scourge in all of entertainment—that actively looks to incite and perpetuate controversy in the most grotesque display of the Stan culture ever constructed.
The amount of think pieces proffered up by the media, and the IRRESPONSIBLE assertions of many of them, has been some of the most stupefying content I have ever seen in the decade running this website. The media has their tongues so far up Beyonce’s ass, they don’t even know what direction is up any more.
For example, Rasha Ali writing for The Wrap calls Beyonce’s “Daddy Lessons” quote, “…a very country-sounding track.” Bullshit Rasha Ali. You don’t know what country music is if you think “Daddy Lessons” is “very country sounding.”
Travis Andrews writing for The Washington Post calls “Daddy Lessons” in the same breath both Beyonce’s “most country-leaning song,” and then says, “the song seems genre-less.” So which the fuck is it?
And then were getting these assertions that country music is black music, has always been black music, and has been stolen from black people. What the fuck kind of idiocy is this? And I’m tired of hearing how Beyonce is country because she was born in Houston. If you’re asserting that anyone is country just because they’re from Houston, you could never offer up a greater signifyer that you have never fucking been there. Los Angeles is more country than Houston. And if you knew anything about country music, you would know this to be true.
But in all of these think pieces, where is the mention of Rhiannon Giddens? Wait, you didn’t know there was a black country music performer that made an appearance Wednesday night? You don’t know that this same performer was just added to the cast of the TV drama Nashville, and was just awarded the Steve Martin Prize for Excellence in Banjo and Bluegrass in September? Did you know that unlike Beyonce, Rhiannon Giddens has been spending her entire life in the pursuit of country music, founded the Carolina Chocolate Drops, and is one of the most talented females currently in the genre? Why aren’t you promoting and paying attention to her?
Or where is the mention of Charley Pride, who also appeared and performed Wednesday night on the CMA Awards? How many of these think pieces mention him? He is a member of the Country Music Hall of Fame, and a member of the Grand Ole Opry. Charley Pride has 29 #1 hits in country music. So wait, it takes Beyonce to integrate country, yet there’s a black performer who has charted 29 #1 fucking hits in the genre, and the first was in the mid 60’s? How many #1 hits does Beyonce have?
The simple fact here is that the Millenials writing these think pieces have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about. They have no clue about the history of country music. Does country music need more black performers, and for those performers to find more success? Yes it does. Do black people have a seminal part in the history of country music? Yes they do. Are there racists within the ranks of country fans? You bet your bottom dollar. But NONE of this makes the anger over booking a pop star to play a country awards show and take that precious face time from country performer, INCLUDING black country performers, racist.
Mickey Guyton anyone? Do any of the people writing these think pieces about how country music needs Beyonce know who Mickey Guyton is? Have they ever heard of Darius Rucker, the former frontman for Hootie and the Blowfish? Do they know he’s a member of the Grand Ole Opry, and has charted four #1 singles?
About the most ridiculous and sycophantical assertions we’ve seen so far are coming from what is supposed to be the most impartial and cool-minded outlet in all of media: The Associated Press. They first asserted not just that Beyonce should be a part of country, but that she should win awards including Female Vocalist of the Year when “Daddy Lessons” first emerged. Then yesterday, they post a piece called, “Beyonce’s ‘Daddy Lessons’ Finding Support From Country Music Community.” This is nothing more than a puff piece to try and get country radio to play “Daddy Lessons.” The Associated Press has devolved into nothing more than a mouth piece for the Beyonce camp.
That’s what ALL of this is about. The racism claims, the think pieces, the public furor, it’s all a marketing campaign to get country radio to add “Daddy Lessons” to the rotation so Beyonce can make even more fucking money. Notice that Beyonce just released the video for the song to coincide with all of this drama. It’s pure marketing. And if country doesn’t kow tow, it’s racist.
But am I trying to defend the CMA’s here, the country industry, or the racists that left disparaging comments about Beyonce? No, I’m not. I think you should pile all the racists, the CMA’s, the idiotic Beyonce “Beyhive,” the idea that Beyonce has ANYTHING to contribute to country music aside from hate and division, all the think pieces and bad reporting on the CMA’s “scrubbing” Beyonce from their presence, and the assholic journalists that wrote them, and bulldoze the entire lot as an embarrassment of Western Civilization. Screw it all. They’re all to blame, and it’s all bullshit.
Now, get your nose out of the drama, and go listen to some fucking music.
November 4, 2016 @ 9:36 am
“You don’t like Beyonce playing the CMA Awards? Well clearly your a fucking racist piece of shit. FUCK YOU!”
Nailed it! I was trolling a youtube video-because fuck it, why not?-and that’s the #1 response I was getting. #2 was trying to lecture me about the black origins and history of the genre they don’t know a single fucking thing about while telling me I must be 100% ignorant of the history of country music.
Thing got pulled before I could mention Charley Pride, Raul Malo, Rhiannon Giddens, etc. For the record, I was definitely trolling, but literally types not a single racist character in any of it…so of course they assumed racism, smfh
November 4, 2016 @ 3:51 pm
All that is needed is REAL COUNTRY MUSIC!!!!!!!
November 4, 2016 @ 8:07 pm
The sad thing is that this kind of blanket statements about ‘racism’ is just making it loose it’s power and meaning.
When people get called a ‘racist’ when they are clearly just stating an opinion, or not being racist at all, they just don’t care anymore.
This makes it so much easier for actual racists to come around. Racism means nothing anymore. Call me racist all day: I don’t care.
November 4, 2016 @ 9:39 am
Man, thanks for this article. I replied to a Travis Tritt tweet last night and was overloaded with “you’re a racist” replies this morning. I brought up Giddens and Charlie Pride to one person and they said “that was before social media.” Not even knowing it was the same show. It just pissed me off that all of us, as country music fans, were lumped in with whichever racists were posting that crap. My final point was that I was ticked off for Beyoncé being on the CMA’s as I am for FGL, Sam Hunt, and Luke Bryan being on there.
We have gotten to a point in society where I cannot dislike any black entertainers just because I don’t like their product, I have to be a racist because of it.
November 4, 2016 @ 6:32 pm
Wow…. “before social media” as if that excuse is any better even if it were true.
There is a reason I don’t care for Beyonce an d it specifically this rabid hive (same for Taylor Swift) that they as artists do not speak out and at least question their actions and responses.
LOL! Ask them why there are not more white hop-hop acts or female rappers and watch them loose there shite there too. You cannot win.
November 5, 2016 @ 8:42 am
I mean, there are a hell of lot more successful white rap artists than there are. Black country artists, and also a hell of a lot more successful female hip hop artists than there are Black country artists, haha.
November 5, 2016 @ 8:36 pm
There are a ton of white people that listen to pop and rap music. What percentage of black people listen to country music you think?
November 6, 2016 @ 2:17 pm
Look man let them get all pissy. Who gives a F$&@. State your opinion and let it be. F$&@ them.
November 4, 2016 @ 9:40 am
Did she belong on the CMA’s? Hell no. Did I enjoy her performance with the Dixie Chicks? Eh, not bad. But if ‘Daddy Lessons’ belongs in the same genre as Charley Pride’s ‘All I Have To Offer You Is Me’ I’ll eat my hat.
November 4, 2016 @ 11:05 am
Well, it’s close enough for today’s pop country and more country than some of the EDM flavored dreck I’ve heard. I bet Carrie Underwood could do a version, release it to country radio, and have a hit with it.
November 4, 2016 @ 11:49 am
You’re right about the ‘EDM flavored dreck’ being further from the roots of the genre. And you’re probably right about Carrie Underwood too. But that is why I am (and many others are) fed up with it. Yes, improvements are being made, nobody can deny that. But I’ve noticed, and its been said before here and elsewhere, that the bottom of the barrel is continually getting worse. So even as Stapleton’s train keeps rolling, even as Florida Georgia Line lost Vocal Duo, even as WMM got a #1… M.O.V.E. also went to #1. Thomas Rhett still won with a ripoff song. Better music is rising towards the forefront, but as it does, it is standing next to the ABSOLUTE WORST that has ever been marketed as country music.
November 5, 2016 @ 8:43 am
It was classic rhythm and blues, not the monogenred to fuck and back “R&B” we get today.
November 4, 2016 @ 9:44 am
My comments aren’t showing up…are we censorin comments, now?
November 4, 2016 @ 9:47 am
Apparently we are. THIS above comment showed up. MY comments about Bitchy did not. She’s a race-baiting, cop-hating bitch who follows Hitlery, who follows Saul Alinsky…there is a WikiLeaks about her campaign manager attending Satanic dinners, and Jay-Z is also pictured with the woman in the article I read, who hosted said dinner. Can’t post the article. Tried twice.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:12 am
Nobody’s comments are being censored Jen. Your comments didn’t even go to moderation. Sometimes due to caching, it may take a few minutes for comments to populate. However, Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager attending Statnic dinners is not exactly germane to this topic, and I would charge EVERYONE from refraining from off-topic political discussion, or I very well might delete or edit certain comments in the future. I ask everyone to please be respectful of this forum in this manner.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:58 am
Not necessarily by you, and it is actually not off topic. I mentioned what Beyonce does, and who she supports, and it just so happens that the woman follows a well-known Satanist, and her campaign manager attended said meeting. It all ties together with your article about racism, even if you didn’t mention it, specifically, but it is what it is. I was trying to link to the article and it wouldn’t let me. Someone has blocked it, but no worries. Your site, your rules. Just letting people know WHY Beyonce doesn’t belong anywhere near country music, and referenced why she’s the way she is. It was all most certainly not off topic, but I’m done now. I will refrain from such comments in the future.
November 6, 2016 @ 5:42 pm
Oh Jen, never a dull moment with you around.
December 13, 2016 @ 5:46 am
BINGO!! U hit the nail on the head when you said it was all about the money…the music industry is becoming a profit driven machine with little regard to anything else…I predict in the next 10 years all music will sound the same…it’s already starting
November 4, 2016 @ 11:07 am
wow, i’m so glad you got to make this wonderful contribution to the discussion.
November 4, 2016 @ 9:45 am
Well hell like his music or not Darius Rucker has been a very successful part of country for 8 years and has played the CMAS multiple times..and he’s very much black since we’re all so racist here.
November 4, 2016 @ 9:46 am
The media has this country in a downward spiral and I don’t see any way we can get out of it. Some people simply shouldn’t have their opinion heard but unfortunately there are too many ways to get it out there. The internet can be a beautiful thing but it also has a much darker side that could lead us down a dangerous path.
Great article, this shit pisses me off to no end as well. At some point we just have to ignore it and listen to the music.
November 4, 2016 @ 9:47 am
Okay, I’m mostly behind all of this – this was a clusterfuck on all sides, and I don’t disagree that certain people who don’t know the furthest thing from country piled onto this…
BUT this seems to conflict with what Maines herself posted on Twitter, where she seemed to sarcastically snap back at the CMAs regarding an ask to host next year with Beyonce. Perhaps the timing is unfortunate where this becomes conflated with the removal of the social media stuff – which is weird, because you’d think Beyonce’s people would be well aware of how this all looks, given that’s their fucking jobs…
Eh, I was one of the people who forwarded over this story to you to check out and I apologize if this ends up exacerbating a non-issue, but on some level this is a matter of controlling the optics, and I don’t think anyone did a particularly good job on it (and sadly the CMAs will end up getting the majority of the blame, fairly or not).
November 4, 2016 @ 10:20 am
“Perhaps the timing is unfortunate where this becomes conflated with the removal of the social media stuff – which is weird, because you’d think Beyonce’s people would be well aware of how this all looks, given that’s their fucking jobs…”
Beyonce doesn’t control her own narrative. The Beyhive does. In a misguided and slavish theory that they’re somehow helping Beyonce, the exacerbate every tiny issue in the way they swarm and incite folks, turning molehills into mountains. When cooler heads prevail, nobody is going to be able to look back at the CMA’s and say they hate Beyonce. They booked her to perform at their biggest awards show ever, gave her as big of a performance slot as anyone, and honored her request to limit and approve all official media involving her, including video and pictures. That’s all this was.
November 4, 2016 @ 8:06 pm
Regarding Beyoncé’s “Beyhive”–I am reminded of the fandom culture that we discussed here back in February, about not cheering for “What” but for “Whom”:
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/whats-in-a-name-music-fans-of-today-are-not-cheering-for-what-but-who/
While I am not a fan of “Queen Bey” by any means, I do think this performance of “Daddy’s Lessons” featuring her and the Dixie Chicks was a highpoint of the show, and a surefire attention-getter if ever there was one. Was it country in the strictest definition of the term, especially if defined by Nashville? No, not by any means, though having Emily and Martie’s banjo/fiddle contributions gave it more of a “down home” feel than it otherwise might have. But I do think the vitriolic reactions to it are really quite over-the-top, whether there is a racial/ethnic knife edge to them or not, and it seems to have bought out the worst in some, NOT all, but SOME, people.
November 4, 2016 @ 8:23 pm
I would actually go so far as to say that Beyoncé and her people DO know what they’re doing and understood perfectly the narrative and how this would be perceived. Because unless I missed it, I don’t see Beyoncé or her people refuting this narrative and defending the organization who invited her to perform. As for Natalie Maines, I don’t quite understand what happened. Did she actually request to host the CMAs and got turned down?
Regardless, I think it’s wonderful when people appreciate all genres of music. I have no problem with folks venturing out of their comfort zone and taking a listen to something different. So even though it’s weird to see Beyoncé or Justin Timberlake or Kid Rock performing at a country music event, if it opens people’s eyes to the beauty of country music, then that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Besides, it’s not too much different than the majority of music on country radio these days.
November 4, 2016 @ 9:50 am
Unfortunately, the lazy ad hominem argument “…if you disagree it’s because you’re a ____-ist!” has been with us for a long time. It might just be due to the magnification effect of modern social media, but it feels to me as if it’s getting worse.
The other thing that gets me is that a lot of these “experts” who claim that Beyonce should be crowned the Queen of Country Music are people who, prior to “Daddy Lessons”, paid no attention to country music and didn’t give a shit about it. So now they think they’re entitled to lecture people who have loved country music all of their lives?
November 4, 2016 @ 9:51 am
But I’ll add this is the same media that claims whites are racist if we disagree with anything Obama says. So go figure
November 4, 2016 @ 12:13 pm
Can you share one single example of “the media” saying this?
November 4, 2016 @ 8:29 pm
2016 version: Vote Clinton or you’re sexist!
November 5, 2016 @ 8:47 am
No one will call you a sexist for voting for Johnson-Weld, either.
November 4, 2016 @ 9:53 am
Smh so tired of hearing how “All white people are racist” there a racists in every race and they only make up a small minority of each race.
Why aren’t White people winning BET awards? That’s racist! Why aren’t White people winning Latin Grammys? That’s racist too!
Nobody ever mentions how successful Darius Tucker was when he first started in Country because they just want to call all white and especially all white people from the south “racists”
I’ve talked to black people who think black people made all music of every genre smh and they say “White people can’t dance” oh and they say saying that isn’t racist what a pile of bullshit.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:05 am
The person I was debating this topic with when I asked if she would want George Strait on the BET awards. She said “why does it have to be BET awards, why can’t it be the VMA’s”? My response was that the VMA’s is a mash-up of all genres, it’s non genre-specific. Especially in today’s world of popped-up country.
Is this stuff really that hard to understand, or is common sense just a thing of the past? Our country is in a really bad spot right now if this is the nature of our discourse.
November 4, 2016 @ 12:22 pm
Yes, lumping white people into groups is stupid and annoying. But it is not something that has been used to dehumanize, murder and enslave millions of people throughout history. It is not the same thing. AT ALL. You are not a victim here. This is a minor annoyance on the internet for you. For people of color, their entire lives dating back several generations have been affected by this and it will take many more generations to undo the damage done by the disgusting actions of the people who built this country. It is horrible. Accept it. You can be grateful for your position in society and for being lucky enough to be born in this country while still admitting the absolute horror of our country’s past. Just understand your position, be thankful, and don’t say a damn word to people who are fighting to regain their humanity in a society that has decided them to be less than human.
November 4, 2016 @ 4:41 pm
Well said. Too bad it’s over most of their heads.
November 4, 2016 @ 7:51 pm
Doesn’t matter. It’s 2016 buddy. Grow some balls and stop blaming others for your shortcomings.
Beyonce isn’t country, regardless of the fact she was born in Texas, she is a racist anti-police officer figurehead, and nobody gives a shit anymore about being called “racist” since it gets way overused in times like this.
Don’t like Obama? Racist! Don’t like Beyonce? Racist. Don’t like Hillary? Sexist!
Guess what go fuck yourself. I’m white and proud of it. Never committed any of these bad things that happened in the past. Not responsible.
November 5, 2016 @ 5:32 pm
HiYun, you’re right you never committed the racist acts of the past… but your very existence proceeds on the basis of privellege that you inherited through those acts, whether you realise it or not.
Try not to be so sensitive about a few socia media comments here and there and just appreciate that you, at least, have never had to live through the kind of systemic oppression that black people have and still do experience today
November 4, 2016 @ 4:06 pm
…and we can’t jump, either…
November 4, 2016 @ 9:54 am
The truth is, people posted anti Beyoncé posts because;
1. She isn’t country.
2. She is herself a racist.
3. She promotes violence against whites and police.
I think Beyoncé is egotistical scum. If that makes me racist, so be it.
November 4, 2016 @ 12:12 pm
You are an angry and fearful person. It’s so weird to be so angered by people who are different than you. What an awful way to live your life. If you quit thinking of the world as “us vs. them” and “black vs white” it becomes a much better place to live.
November 4, 2016 @ 1:13 pm
What part of his statement are you disputing? You offer nothing to the discussion and you seem to be projecting. I didn’t see any fear or anger in that post, and neither do you.
November 4, 2016 @ 3:46 pm
Not angry or fearful. Just pointing out the facts about a person with a huge platform she uses to preach hate towards police and white people. She is promoting us vs. them not me.
If Beyoncé was just another black performer who wasn’t disparaging the audience she was performing for, I wouldn’t care at all.
November 4, 2016 @ 4:08 pm
I would offer the old adage of “Pot calling the kettle…” ~but I’ve been to sensitivity training.
November 4, 2016 @ 9:59 am
I don’t think I’m ready for this jelly
November 4, 2016 @ 10:05 am
I’ll tell you one thing I found bullshit, I hate to talk politics on here but just bear with me on this. Last night I caught a rant on Twitter from someone I consider my political peer and I won’t go into details about her rant last night just because I prefer to protect some identities.
But one of the things she said on Twitter last night kinda struck me the wrong way and that is she accused Country Music in general of not accepting People of Color, LGBTQ or Socially Liberal People. Let’s get one thing out of the way: I do agree that the Grand Ole Opry or even Nashville in particular made a bullshit move by blackballing Chely Wright out of the mainstream after she came out as a lesbian while accepting Brandy Clark to an extent.
But throughout the entire show we had Tim McGraw win Song of the Year, Garth winning Entertainer of the Year and Brad Paisley hosting the damn thing. They’re probably the most socially liberal people in mainstream country right now alongside Faith Hill, Eric Church and Willie Nelson. So don’t tell me Country Music doesn’t accept Socially Liberal people.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:38 am
It accepts them if they are willing to play with the Nashville machine but that is true for everyone these days. I will probably be waiting until hell freezes over to see them bring in Brandy Clark, Jason Isbell, Etc
But yeah I mean hell Kris Kristofferson is pretty close to socialist.
November 4, 2016 @ 7:37 pm
Waiting for who to bring in Brandy Clark and Jason Isbell?
First of all, Brandy Clark is already a CMA Award winning songwriter as of 2014, a prize which she won for “Follow Your Arrow.” She was also nominated for “Best New Artist” that same year.
I would also like to point out that country music is bigger than just the TV award shows. Brandy Clark and Jason Isbell have both made multiple Grand Ole Opry appearances to very positive reception, for example.
November 4, 2016 @ 5:47 pm
Wasn’t Chely Wright pretty much out of the mainstream before she ever came out?
November 4, 2016 @ 5:51 pm
From what I both heard and seen in my personal past, prior to her coming out as a lesbian, she actually made frequent appearances on the Opry and after she formally came out they haven’t made any effort to invite her back.
November 4, 2016 @ 7:39 pm
If the Opry is against openly gay artists, why do they have Brandy Clark on?
November 4, 2016 @ 7:46 pm
For the record I do agree with you and I apologize for not bringing that up earlier. I do find it hypocritical of them having Brandy Clark over Chely Wright on the Opry and I hate using this phrase because I’ve been using it a lot this past year but I normally don’t suggest this practice unless there’s 100% reason to do so, Ms. Wright might need to think about getting a lawyer and hit the Gaylord Family for discrimination.
Just my take on it.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:17 am
It’s disappointing because it was a fun performance during what was one of the best CMAs in recent years. I don’t have a problem with artist from other genres performing with country music artists and its hard to not call Dixie Chicks country.
It’s disappointing that people aren’t praising the performance and country music for opening its doors to a pop icon and instead getting into a big fight over whether or not Daddy’s Lessons is country. Who cares? It wasn’t the worst song played Wednesday, not even close.
And Trigger is right, when you bring back the Dixie Chicks with Beyonce, there’s going to be hell fire. Be ready for it.
If they just wanted ratings, they should have just invited Adele and had her sing River Lea. Better song and arguably the same size fan base. I don’t Adele throng would have been asking for a foot after the CMAs gave an inch.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:42 am
If the CMAs wanted ratings and PR, should’ve gone with Adele and Chris Stapleton dueting the fuck out of any song ever. Wouldn’t be this backlash from it either
November 4, 2016 @ 10:44 am
Good point Derek. The CMA’s were incredibly gracious and open in inviting Beyonce to play their 50th Anniversary, gave her one of the biggest performance slots on the night, respected her wishes to let her camp control the media being released from the event, and apparently nobody can see the irony now that it is their ox being gored over all of this. If you’re a Beyonce fan, you got more than you can expect from a country music institution, and still it’s not enough.
It also has to be said that Beyonce fans were angry at the very beginning because they though she would perform in the first eight minutes, and instead they had to suffer through all these old country bumpkins. Nobody ever said Beyonce would play in the first eight minutes. Folks just assumed that when the CMA’s said the first eight minutes were going to be major.
November 4, 2016 @ 8:10 pm
The CMA’s are so stupid and foolish… never partner with BLM. They will always slime you. They don’t care about anything but their own agendas.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:19 am
I find it odd that all of these so called racist didn’t seem to have a problem with Charlie Pride being there or Rhannon Giddens singing with Eric Church. I didn’t see the comments, and have no doubt that some of them probably sound racist on the surface, but I’m proposing it’s probably less about race and more about her politics and the style of music she makes otherwise.
November 4, 2016 @ 12:49 pm
I find it even more amazing that the Dixie Chicks were there period and from what I saw from that night, they were actually NOT BOOED! I would’ve expected all four of them to be booed off from the stage and have the whole night just ruined.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:19 am
lotta noise about an overdone nothing performance I didn’t even hate it just didn’t care till those few seconds of “long time gone”
November 4, 2016 @ 10:22 am
What is happening to our country? (as a music and a nation)
November 4, 2016 @ 7:56 pm
It’s all about control. The media and the globalists want to control everybody.
Why do you think they attempt to demonize and dehumanize rural and uneducated people? It’s all about control. They can’t control Billy Joe Frank, and that poses a threat to their system.
Why are they dehumanizing religious people? Because they can’t control God, which to religious people is more powerful than them.
They see country as a “white” culture of music, which is probably true. However, country represents everything that the ruling class doesn’t like, since it’s hard to control: patriotic, religious, armed, and rural.
So I’m sure slipping in Beyonce on purpose to piss people off. It’s all about control. God bless America. I will never change. Despite what the ruling class wants.
November 5, 2016 @ 6:56 am
Of all commentary here, yours absolutely nailed it ! This is part of a massive indoctrination into a UN led world with the goal of no borders, no religion, no God but the government. 99.9% of people will not see this. Laugh at this all you want, doesn’t change things. Sorry , not trying to get political or conspiracy theory mad here..I love country music as much as anyone, but much larger forces than the CMA and queen Bey are at play here. And I’m not an insane right wing lunatic, just a working guy who reads and observes the human condition. Also not a racist and have nothing against Lady B other than the fact that she ain’t country.. AND yes Racism is the current political witch hunt, boogeyman man as it were. But it is a very effective and powerful tool to keep everyone in line towards their end goal. Make no mistake.
That said, play them steel guitars and crank those telecasters to 11! Sorry for drifting off topic.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:22 am
Read the site daily. Definitely dont always agree and you are spot on here.
I am not sure what Cma thought they were going to get out of having her. I expect to see Eric Chruch on the MTV Awards cause some of his music sounds “rock like”.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:29 am
Here is the core issue here I think. Beyonce (who I think did a good job) and the Dixie Chicks, all who are controversial figures did a performance at the CMA awards at the height of a vary volatile election season where everyone is strung high on both sides and the media is looking for anything to print. It was the perfect mix for this kind of situation.
Simple as a that.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:47 am
You are 1000% correct! Right now ANYTHING that whiffs of racism is stretched, pulled, and manipulated into the most sensationalized version of its original self, given the most inflammatory headline possible, and thrown to the wolves by MSM.
November 4, 2016 @ 11:02 am
Both sides do it, The Beyonce is a racist and hates cops thing is being blown up by the right.
November 5, 2016 @ 8:54 am
Seriously. Some of the comments on this article are worse than anything I’ve seen from Beyoncé fans, and Beyoncé fans have been acting fucking psychotic.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:48 am
If the CMA is to be blamed, it is for not having the foresight to see they were leading us all down this road of conflict by booking Beyonce. It is a shame that everything is so contentious, especially in music which is supposed to be a space beyond divisiveness and bring folks together. But you have to anticipate that what happened is exactly what was going to happen when you booked Beyonce, especially when you teamed them up with the Dixie Chicks, and the Super Bowl backlash was the perfect template.
November 4, 2016 @ 11:14 am
This. Just having the Chicks there alone was bound to cause issues. Throw Bey in there and things go ten fold.
Part of me wonders if they did it on purpose knowing they would get press out of it.
November 4, 2016 @ 1:07 pm
That’s what I was thinking,and they sure did get the press!! Just not the press they wanted,and I can’t seem to stop laughing about it!
November 4, 2016 @ 10:32 am
Cmon Trigger! Beyoncé belonged on that stage as much as Timberlake last year. Belonged there more than any of the pop country / bro country poseurs. The Dixie Chicks sure as hell belonged there. It may not have been “country”, but it was pretty fucking close.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:52 am
Hey, it’s a fair accusation that Timberlake didn’t deserve a CMA spot either. I would contend he deserved it more than Beyonce because of the close relationship he already had with Stapleton. But nonetheless, whenever you have ANY pop artist performing on a country show, it’s inherently unfair to all the other country artists who could benefit greater from that face time, and deserve it more.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:56 am
Amen
November 4, 2016 @ 11:24 am
But nonetheless, whenever you have ANY pop artist performing on a country show, it’s inherently unfair to all the other country artists who could benefit greater from that face time, and deserve it more.
That’s the biggest problem I have with all of this. Country music has fantastic musicians who need and have earned a spot at the table, and I think the country music establishment has a duty to see that they get it. But instead the establishment gives the musicians and country music fans the back of their hands and says “We haven’t got time for you. Gotta get Beyonce!”
And they’re did it to impress Beyonce fans who for the most part have no interest in country music.
November 4, 2016 @ 5:07 pm
This was very, very well put.
November 4, 2016 @ 12:22 pm
I actually enjoyed both performances. I didn’t think J.T or Beyonce came on trying to be country artists. They certainly don’t need country music, they’re two of the biggest stars on the planet and widely regarded as two of the greatest artists of all time. I just thought it was fun and with artists of their caliber it came across natural to me. What I have an issue with is when washed up artists like Steven Tyler try to use country because they need it as a catalyst to revamp their career.
November 4, 2016 @ 1:58 pm
The Dixie Chicks performed “Daddy Lessons” on almost every show of their just-finished tour. I think that qualifies as a legit relationship between them and Beyonce (beyond just the Texas connection). This wasn’t some random pairing. And yes, I think the song itself is pretty damn country, or at least legit Americana-inspired — every bit as much if not more so than “Tennessee Whiskey.” Even if and when it’s just Beyonce singing it, but the Chicks seal the deal. Bottom line: The Dixie Chicks and a proud, very talented black woman stole that show. And I thought it was glorious.
November 4, 2016 @ 8:00 pm
Again, trying to make it into a race/gender issue.
The thing is: SHE’S NOT COUNTRY!!!! I don’t care at all whether she performs well or not, I’m not a Beyonce fan. But I am upset that a non-country performer is performing at the COUNTRY Music Awards. Nothing glorious at all.
Just cause it’s a “country song” doesn’t make it right for an R&B artist to be playing the CMAs. Time for them to stop trying to get the pop fans, and focus on their core constituency, COUNTRY.
November 4, 2016 @ 8:08 pm
Are the Dixie Chicks not country either, then? Because honestly, I consider that just as much their performance as hers. Beyonce would not have been on the show at all if not for the connection to them having done her song all year long. Even though the Chicks were billed and saved as a “surprise.” Beyonce had one of the biggest albums of the year. Dixie Chicks had one of the biggest tours of the year, and they played her song from her new album at every stop. Having the Chicks back on a mainstream country music awards show was a big deal. But it would have been pointless had they just played one of their own older hits. The Beyonce teaming was timing and relevant. And yes, obviously meant to be controversial, by merit of it being both Beyonce AND the Chicks.
November 5, 2016 @ 9:23 am
Eh, the Chicks have been covering that song for ages at this point, and they’re as country as it gets.
There’s a very real argument that it was a Chicks performance featuring Beyoncé, and I’m alright with that (although I’d prefer to listen to Natalie Maines’ version, haha).
November 5, 2016 @ 9:44 am
I think trying to argue that it was a Dixie Chicks performance featuring Beyonce is based on semantics, and is really not valid when you look at how it was presented by both the CMA’s and the media. Clearly the CMA’s waited until the last minute to announce Beyonce to create buzz, and did it by fake leaking it to the press, first via People Magazine which was featuring exclusive content in the lead up to the CMA Awards. Beyonce was the big name to create buzz on the day of the awards and hopefully get folks to tune in, and the Dixie Chicks were the also ran. That’s not meant as disrespect to the Dixie Chicks whatsoever, that’s just the way it was both presented and perceived by the public, and I think there’s plenty of evidence to validate that argument.
Also, though I’ve been yoked with criticizing the performance itself, I haven’t said a single word about it. I haven’t even seen it. The site crashed right before Beyonce took the stage, and I was busy trying to get it back online and missed the whole thing. And with all the controversy swirling out there, I don’t want to interject opinion into the mix about the performance itself. Generally speaking, I’m glad the Dixie Chicks were allowed to play.
November 5, 2016 @ 10:10 am
I finally listened to it last night. The Chicks were harmonizing, and Martie and Emily were on the fiddle and banjo, which got a focus over the toned-down horn section.
They also played the “They sound tired but they don’t sound Haggard” verse from Long Time Gone as a bridge.
It wasn’t country…but it likely would have been the most country thing at the 2014 CMAs, haha.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:54 am
I think if the Dixie Chicks performed just by themselves a lot of hell would have broken lose based on the feelings that a lot of country music fans still harbor towards them. Add in Beyoncé and a lot of the rhetoric she’s spilled out over the last couple of years, and yes expect a firestorm. I don’t know who determined who “belongs” there. In today’s mainstream country music world, where no one plays an instrument, songs are written by 10+ people, and EDM is thrown in the mix, I can’t argue that anyone doesn’t belong. There is no line, it’s just a mash up of everything, with no identity.
I can’t speak for everyone, but my point is why have any of it? Why have Beyoncé, Timberlake, and whoever else you wanna add to the list. Especially on a show that was suppose to spend time referencing the history of the genre with air time given to many of the genres biggest historical names. Just let country music stand on its own. They got a tough break by the Workd Series going to game 7, and reached for ratings.
November 4, 2016 @ 3:57 pm
Actually isn’t the Dixie Chicks playing on the CMA’s after the ‘events’ kind of a big deal? I mean the CMA’s inviting them, and Natalie & Co agreeing, would have been the big story. Maybe they don’t come without Bey I don’t know.
November 4, 2016 @ 5:34 pm
Yes it’s a big deal, a big deal that’s going to come with a certain amount of backlash from an unforgiving country music fanbase.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:40 am
Black people are some of the biggest crybabies you’ll ever meet. I don’t care if that’s racist, just standard truth. This is why you don’t invite a pop singer in the first place.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:54 am
And country fans are some of the biggest racists you’ll ever meet.
See how patently unfair blanket statements are?
November 4, 2016 @ 11:12 am
Yeah except the difference is the past couple of years proves that my statement is true. Not to mention this situation with Beyonce. You can dance around the topic all you want.
November 4, 2016 @ 12:02 pm
Also, one is based on musical preference while the other is on someone’s biological heritage. A heritage that has been used to dehumanize, murder and enslave an entire race of people because of the color of their skin.
Otherwise, pretty much the same!
November 4, 2016 @ 8:15 pm
Why do some black people/white people play this whole angle so much?
I mean I understand that black people were treated badly in the past/are sadly still treated badly today, but the reality is that the best thing to do is just move forward. Nobody can change the past. The future is what’s important.
Many many black people have lifted themselves out of poverty on their own merit, despite historical factors working against them. So why can others not do it? At a certain point, it’s time to stop blaming others and the past…
I guess the end game is that some black movements want reparations for blacks. And I would caution them on that: giving people free money never works. Look at the Natives in Canada. Free everything, yet the largest group in poverty in the country.
November 5, 2016 @ 9:27 am
lol
It’s pretty easy to say “get over it” when you’re not the one currently dealing with discrimination.
It’s hard to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps when people keep stealing your boots, and then blaming you for it.
November 6, 2016 @ 5:55 pm
hiYun, why are there still white people in poverty? Why don’t all the people in Appalachia just lift themselves to a better station in life? Just because some people make it out of poverty doesn’t mean it will happen to everybody. Unless we live in an egalitarian utopia, there will always be people on the bottom of the totem pole.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:41 am
If you ask me everything has gotten out of hand…don’t like a certain female performer? Sexist. Don’t like a specific genre or person? Racist, Sexist, Homophobic, etc…Heaven forbid you be a straight, white, Christian man from the South because you are blanketed by some title above…it is okay to have views as long as they’re the kind that the industry provides you for hitting the feeder bar….press the bar…eat a pellet…press the bar…eat a pellet…
November 4, 2016 @ 12:41 pm
Kinky Friedman would put his cigar out in your face, right before he and the Texas Jewboys would rev up into “They ain’t makin’ Jews like Jesus anymore.”
November 4, 2016 @ 10:42 am
OMG!!!! YOU……YES!!!!! THANK YOU FOR WRITING THIS!!!! Now it needs shared to every damn comment section and twitter feed talking about it!
November 4, 2016 @ 10:48 am
Great article,I agree with what you said but also have to admit.. I LOVE THE BACKLASH!
This is what they get. Fist off,Natalie Maines admitted a few short years ago she was never a fan of country music,just the Dixie Chicks as well as other disparaging comments about country music.So they let someone who”was never a fan of country”, take the stage with someone who has never played country..Hillarous!!
Meanwhile, Margo Price is watching the Cubs game at her house. Don’t blame her
Fuck these people.They deserve the bullshit for constantly letting people outside the genre perform and ignoring people who deserve to be there.
November 4, 2016 @ 11:06 am
I am still shocked Margo was not nominated for anything.
November 5, 2016 @ 4:45 am
Margo sounds too country. CMA is only about today’s “Hot Real Country Music”.
November 4, 2016 @ 11:02 am
I will have you know I am proudly “anti-Beyonce.”
Not cause of racism. I just think she’s terrible.
November 4, 2016 @ 11:12 am
Read the comments here, Trigger. Most of them are basically just saying they hate Beyoncé. These people hate anything she does. They hate her because they view her as a symbol of a larger cultural war, which is challenging the very core of their belief systems. Yes, this country is racist and was built on racism. It is disgusting. It is extremely sad. Part of being an American is understanding that everything we have has been tainted by our terrible past. It is hard to admit it to yourself but it is important to accept it if we are ever going to move forward.
Since when did being called a racist become worse than racism itself? Slavery and racism are absolutely horrible, disgusting, revolting part of our country’s history. Dehumanization and murder and genocide on par with the Nazis. The effects are still being felt today and are a part of everything we do. So yes, some people aren’t sensitive about it. And some people use it for attention on social media. But that absolutely has no comparison to the horrors of racism and slavery. So why is all of this energy spent freaking out about people calling out racism?
Why are the people who are doing well in a society built on this awful foundation so worried about Beyoncé? Because she challenges the idea that they are right and morally superior. It is very hard to accept that the culture you grew up with has such horrible roots.
The difference between Rhiannon Giddens and Pride and Beyoncé is that their appearance and demeanor do not challenge the cultural norms of country music. They are not threatening. Beyoncé’s outward character is associated with everything about black culture that white people find threatening. And she is proud of it. That is why she is so important to so many people of color and women.
I think Daddy’s Lessons was a brave song for her to put on a record. Do you think if you were a black person from Texas, you would feel welcome in the country music scene? Even if some of it appealed to your rural southern culture, I think we all know that the scene is NOT friendly to outsiders, culturally or racially. I think Beyoncé has a genuine fondness for country music and this was her way of standing up and saying yes, I’m culturally “black”, yes I like hip hop and pop and r and b music, but I also like country music. The genre isn’t owned by anyone and she can create whatever type of music she wants as an artist. My wife mentors two young girls though Girl Scouts whose mother is a drug addict in jail. They LOVE the song. They sing along to the words. They now have a “country-sounding” dog that they feel drawn to. How is that a bad thing?
Trigger, you are a smart and thoughtful guy. Please take a deep look at the passionate responses to Beyoncé on the CMAs. I think it makes it clear that it is about more than music genres.
November 4, 2016 @ 12:08 pm
**“country-sounding” song (autocorrect, sorry)
November 4, 2016 @ 1:36 pm
Scott,
I appreciate your comments. I don’t really want to get into a broader discussion on the history of racism in America because I feel like it trivializes the issue at hand. Whatever has happened in American in the past, the simple fact is the CMA’s don’t deserve to be called “racist” simply because they took down some video content at the Beyonce camp’s request.
“The difference between Rhiannon Giddens and Pride and Beyoncé is that their appearance and demeanor do not challenge the cultural norms of country music. They are not threatening. Beyoncé’s outward character is associated with everything about black culture that white people find threatening. And she is proud of it. That is why she is so important to so many people of color and women.”
Basically what you’re admitting here is that the Beyonce performance was a provocation. And when the racists showed up, people acted shocked. The Beyhive was primed to attack country music and its fans as soon as this performance was announced.
And let’s not insult Rhiannon Giddens by saying that she is some weak-spined performer willing to acquiesce to the white world. She is actually a performer who can bridge differences through talent and appeal as opposed to attempting to reformed closed-minded simps by insulting them, which only results in conflict. Did you see Giddens’ response to the church shooting in her native North Carolina? It’s breathtaking:
” Do you think if you were a black person from Texas, you would feel welcome in the country music scene?”
I do think you would be, if you played country music. And I’m kind of taken aback that there’s even a question about that. Of course there are racists everywhere, but there are also many decent people willing to stand up to these closed-minded elements.
I think everyone angry over this issue should watch this video. From Texas:
November 4, 2016 @ 2:27 pm
I just don’t think you can discuss something like this as if it is happening in a vacuum. Racism is a part of everything and is especially relevant here. Why don’t we spend less time chastising people who may have called the wrong people racist, and put that energy into telling racist country fans that they are the ones who don’t belong? So the CMAs booked a black person who received a racist backlash, and we are mad at them for giving the racists something to complain about? Why aren’t we mad at the racists? Why is your first instinct to get defensive instead of calling out these idiots for their behavior? It’s the same argument they use to defend rape by saying that a girl shouldn’t dress provactively if she doesn’t want to be harassed. It is 100% the fault of the harassers.
Also I didn’t meant to say that Rhiannon was trying to act white. I am just saying that particular performance was more traditional and therefore unthreatening.
Do you ever look at the comments on your posts and think about why some of these people are supporting what you are saying? You might not be thinking about race but they certainly are. I don’t see enough outrage directed at them. Isn’t being openly racist in the name of country music more worthy of outrage than someone being overly offended by what they perceive as racism? It’s an extremely serious thing. What if they were defending child rape or nazism? Would you say “sure some of us are nazi child rapists but leave us alone!” No, you would be horrified to be even associated with those people. I think racism should be thought of on the same level. It is absolutely horrible. Racism, religious hatred, etc are the reason behind nearly every atrocity ever committed. If a significant portion of your genres fans are saying racist things, how can you look past it ?
If anything, I would like to see an anti-racist country movement similar to the response that punk and metal fans have towards skinhead groups. They are openly, angrily unaccepting to racists in their scene. I don’t think thoughtful country fans should be fostering an environment where racist people feel comfortable and find support for their views. By not outright rejecting these people we are being complicit.
Yes, I am taking this too seriously. BUt country music is extremely important to me and I HATE that I have to see this stuff all the time in he country music world. It’s very hard to reconcile. Your site is usually pretty open minded and thoughtful and that is why I read it. I just really think that the issue of racism in country music (not the artists, the fan base) is hugely important. It is hurtful to not only people of color but the country scene itself. Thanks for hearing me out.
November 4, 2016 @ 5:57 pm
You will not have a strong black presence in country music because mainstream black culture and “enlightened” whites will constantly attack them more than actual racists.
November 5, 2016 @ 5:12 am
Rhiannon Giddens has always been a class act and a class human being. She is married to Michael Laffan a white Irish musician. Leslie Riddle was quite entwined with the Carter Family. Jimmy Rodgers was heavily influenced by bluesmen and gandy dancers. The earliest roots of country music were linked to black music. I don’t care much for the rigid categorizing of music. It seems very limiting.
“There are only two kinds of music, Blues and Zip-Pe-Dee-Do-Da”. Townes Van Zandt
November 4, 2016 @ 6:57 pm
There are, I’m sure, a percentage of folks that this issue is about color and not genre. I just think we have turned that percentage on its head here. We are letting the bad eggs represent the whole group instead of the other way around. You are never going to change the minds of the bottom 5% of and group you want to profile. There is always going to be something there, and that’s just part of society. In a group of 100 people, if one person demeans someone, you can’t call the other 99 a racist.
As far as history goes, we can’t wipe the slate clean. None of us are responsible for what our ancestors have done. We are never going to move forward if we keep up this rhetoric. I’m fairly certain no one in the USA has owned a slave for a very long time.
November 4, 2016 @ 8:26 pm
Yup I hate Beyonce. I hate just about every pop singer, white, black, yellow, or blue. I don’t give a shit, I can’t be shamed into pretending to like someone I don’t like.
November 4, 2016 @ 11:28 am
Sorry Trigger, but you’re missing the boat on this. In truth the CMA’s & the racist trolls are making people who legitimately thought Beyonce shouldn’t be there look terrible.
The CMA’s shouldn’t avoid booking acts because they might offend people. Like it or not, they’ve always booked one or two pop acts per awards show. Given that long-standing policy, having Dixie Chicks perform a song they’re covering w/Beyonce actually made sense, and certainly is no worse an offense than Meghan Trainor being at the awards show two years ago.
BUT here’s a the deal, a segment of country music fans are racist. Period. The comments that were left were racist & misogynistic. Pretending that the only problems people had with Beyonce performing were because she’s a pop artist is sticking your head in the sand stupid, and the evidence is in the friggen comments people left themselves.
Whether the posts were deleted, or just never put up, the only act not mentioned on the CMA twitter account timeline by yesterday afternoon was Beyonce/DC. Neither Beyonce’s people or anything else prevented the CMA twitter account to linking to the official ABC video, or a download of the copy of the song, or even just a friggen tweet like: hey, how awesome was that performance, like they did for EVERY single other act.
Not mentioning the performance, potentially deleting stuff & hoping people wouldn’t notice, was dumb, pure and simple. It’s 2016 of course it’s going to get noticed! All it makes it look like is that CMA is trying to engage in a cover up after the fact due to the racist blowback (they didn’t delete Megan Trainor).
Yes things are charged up politically, yes people can be to sensitive, but RACIST IS RACIST IS RACIST IS RACIST, and that is some of what happened here. And pretending it isn’t part of what happened just makes everyone look bad.
November 4, 2016 @ 1:50 pm
“Pretending that the only problems people had with Beyonce performing were because she’s a pop artist is sticking your head in the sand stupid, and the evidence is in the friggen comments people left themselves. “
I never said that. In fact I went out of my way to acknowledge the racism that has been present within this issue, and to denounce it. As a country music fan, I am embarrassed by a lot of what I see being discussed around this issue, and many of the comments being left in this very comments section. But I’m not going to delete them, I am going to use them to discuss the matter, to have us all as country fans look deep into our own hearts and acknowledge the hatred and divisiveness there. But at the core of this issue is an incited, politically-charged fever that is patently unfair to the CMA’s and country music by circumventing the facts.
Noticed that as this issue was exploding yesterday, and dozens upon dozens of media outlets were posting stories about it, I kept my mouth shut? And even this morning, I didn’t post this first thing? It’s because we didn’t even know the facts surrounding the issue yet. Everyone was either angry, or simply looking for clicks, and there was a rush to judgement.
The problem with this “country music is racist” claim is that it is solely based off of a few internet comments that could be made by anyone. It’s completely anecdotal. Is there racism in country? Of course. Did it have anything to do with the actions of the CMA’s? All evidence points to “no.”
November 4, 2016 @ 5:33 pm
Trigger either the CMA’s only said that they removed the one promo video at the request of Beyonce’s camp. That means that they either deleted, or didn’t tweet about, Beyonce & the Dixie Chicks performance that night. Or post on instagram etc.
And frankly having an African-American pop singer shouldn’t be an incitement, and if it is, the problem lies with that portion of fans. The idea that the CMA’s shouldn’t invite someone because of their race or politics is frankly abhorrent (even if I don’t agree with your politics, see the views of the ORB).
Do I think it stinks that Pride and Gibbens were ignored in those think pieces? Yes. Do I think they painted to broad a brush? Yes. Do I think the Beyhive (and frankly all of stan culture – of which some ML & Carrie fans are apart) is annoying as crap? HECK YES. But you devoted 90% of your piece to complaining about the people who were reacting to an outpouring of racism and the Beyhive. THE BIGGER PROBLEM IS THE RACISM. Country Music looked bad, because a bunch of country music “fans” made it look bad. It made the discussion about race, and not pop-stars at country music festivals. The level of vitriol was massively different in intensity and tone to what Meghan Trainor, Katy Perry, or Nick Jonas received.
As a person, and a fan of country music, it feels like we need to clean our own house, before we go around complaining about others. And as you said, some of the comments on this blog show just how much this house needs cleaning.
November 4, 2016 @ 7:06 pm
The fact that Beyonce is a black pop star alone wasn’t the reason for the incitement, in my opinion. Beyonce is a vocal advocate of the Black Lives Matter group, an explicitly political group which promotes particular narratives about race and society which are currently highly controversial. To that effect, Beyonce and her backup dancers dressed up in Black Panther outfits during halftime at the Superbowl, in a performance that was watched by millions of Americans, and it caused a backlash at the time. The Black Panthers are an even more controversial group which used violent rhetoric and in some cases threatened violence and even participated in violent acts. When people complain about Beyonce is “anti-cop,” that’s what they’re coming from. It seems to me that this a crucial piece of context which is missing from most of the discussion. In addition, The Dixie Chicks also use political imagery in their concerts, and Natalie Maines is an outspoken pop-political figure with a brazenly partisan attitude who has continued to make disparaging remarks about country music, including in 2016. They’re both politicized figures.
I also don’t think any of the performances by white pop artists you mentioned are exactly equivalent to the Beyonce one. Nick Jonas just played a (terrible) guitar solo on a song by a country artist. The Katy Perry thing was specifically a tribute to Dolly Parton, and revolved around Dolly and her songs. Even the Justin Timberlake performance was basically a coming out party for an unheralded traditional-leaning country music singer, and primarily consisted of a performance of a classic country song. With the Beyonce performance, she was definitely the main event, and she’s a performer who has no prior connection to the country music industry or the culture with which it is associated, other than the fact that she grew up in a city in Texas. Also, as far as I know, none of the other aforementioned pop artists are known for being particularly political, nor have they engaged in a politically-charged controversial spectacle like Beyonce did with the Black Panther thing.
Honestly, if a different black pop or R&B artist with no politically controversial context surrounding them had performed in a duet with a country artist, I don’t think the same controversy would have resulted. If Mickey Guyton had been on stage and busted out with a powerful country ballad or a Patsy Cline song like she done on the Grand Ole Opry, people would have been on their feet with a standing ovation.
I’m not going to discount the possibility that some people who dislike Beyonce are motivated by racism, but I don’t think disliking an individual black celebrity is necessarily equivalent to racism. If anything, some country music fans are probably biased against rap and modern R&B music, but based on my observations, a lot of people – including a lot of Beyonce fans, apparently – seem to have a bias against country music also, and aren’t shy in telling you about it.
Were some of the politically-minded people who made pissy comments on Facebook overly riled up? Probably, but I frequently see the same thing from people on the opposite side of the socio-political spectrum as well.
November 4, 2016 @ 7:16 pm
like she has done on the Grand Ole Opry**
November 4, 2016 @ 7:25 pm
Rap & R&B fans sometimes don’t like country, country fans sometimes don’t like Rap & R&B, but what an opportunity for country to educate them & pick up some new fans, as they were all “forced” to sit there & watch a ton of country legends.
But leaving aside the incredibly loaded language of saying that the Blake Lives Matter movement is anti-cop (& somehow claiming that has nothing to do with race). Many country music stars have come out in favor of the NRA, against same-sex marriage laws, and for conservative candidates. What you’re essentially saying is: it’s ok for conservative folk to be political & that doesn’t incite thing, but not for liberal folk. That also strikes me as a massive problem. You shouldn’t have to conform to a specific political ideology, or keep your mouth shut, to perform at a country music show on either side.
November 5, 2016 @ 9:33 am
You gotta understand, seak, only liberals can get offended.
When conservatives burn CDs because an artist said something that hurt their feelings, they’re just “standing up for our values.”
November 5, 2016 @ 3:25 pm
I can’t reply directly to seak05, so I’m leaving my comment here.
In your previous two comments, you explicitly said that the underlying problem with this issue is “THE RACISM” and “RACIST IS RACIST IS RACIST.”
That’s why it was relevant to explain the political context surrounding Beyonce – it isn’t necessary to attribute to racism what can be explained by political agitation, no matter how angrily or vehemently it’s expressed. And by the way, I haven’t said a word about my personal political views.
I think you’re being naive about Black Lives Matter group. BLM activists have engaged in violent and specifically anti-cop rhetoric, and not just on the internet. Some members have also made calls to de-fund police departments, and some journalists have supported them. Look it up. I won’t swamp you with a hundred links, but go type “Black Lives Matter anti-cop” into Google if you want to see some examples. The group has alienated a lot of people, including many liberals. Even President Obama has spoken about the need for BLM activists to avoid anti-cop rhetoric. Are the individuals making violent or anti-cop statements representative of the group on the whole? Are they somehow morally justified? It’s a thorny subject, and the underlying issues are extremely sensitive. In addition, the Black Lives Matter group doesn’t necessarily represent African-Americans as a group. Right now Lil Wayne is being raked over the coals in the press and on internet comment boards for declining to support the Black Lives Matter group in an interview. Is Lil Wayne a racist? Come to think of it, Lil Wayne did make an appearance at the 2008 CMA Awards. According to the current media narrative, maybe that “proves” that he’s a racist. (Sarcasm here…)
It is absolutely relevant to point out the political context surrounding Beyonce and the Dixie Chicks because, based on what I saw, that’s what the majority of comments complaining about their performance consisted of – yet, the narrative the media overwhelmingly ran with is that the segment of people who complained about the performance are racist, and that there was an “outpouring of racism.” It should also be noted that there were other plenty of country music fans on the CMA’s social media channels disagreeing with the complainers and supporting the performance. Should holding a controversial political opinion prohibit an artist from making an appearance at the CMA Awards? I don’t think so. But the bottom line is that Beyonce still performed, and her performance is still available to be viewed on the internet. A certain segment of people bitched about it, but so what? That happens on the internet every damn day. Do you really, truly think that if an outspoken gun rights advocate performed at the BET Awards or something like that, people on social media wouldn’t complain in exactly the same way? I see it happen all the time.
A truly well-rounded media take on the CMA Awards would have been something like, “CMA Awards pay tribute to 50 years of country music with the return of a whole host of American music legends, are filled with songs promoting socially redeeming messages in a time filled with bitter political disagreement, Beyonce and The Dixie Chicks also performed to a positive response at the awards, but stirred up some controversy online. Here’s some context for why some might consider them controversial figures.” More news at 11.
November 5, 2016 @ 3:29 pm
Cool Lester Smooth,
I never said, and would never say that only liberals have the capacity to get offended. There is a contingent of conservative keyboard warriors that are probably just as vehement as the “social justice warrior” types on the opposite side. Having said that, I think the conservative types have a lot less power currently. The modern millennial-oriented media tends to lean in overwhelmingly in one direction, and like most of the “new” media, they tend to shoot first and ask questions later.
November 5, 2016 @ 8:13 pm
A) I was mostly taking the piss. It always cracks me up when people essentially get “triggered” through exposure to ideas they don’t agree with. The reaction to Beyoncé’s halftime show somehow managed to be funnier than the reaction of Emory students to seeing “Trump” written in chalk on the sidewalk, and that’s impressive.
B) If you Google “country fans racist,” you’ll get just as many results as “black lives matter anti-cop.” As Trigger says elsewhere in this section, blanket statements about entire groups are rarely flattering, and always deeply silly.
November 4, 2016 @ 7:27 pm
“But you devoted 90% of your piece to complaining about the people who were reacting to an outpouring of racism and the Beyhive.”
That’s because 90% of the rest of media has devoted themselves to reporting unfounded and inaccurate portrayals of the CMA’s actions in the ever present echo chamber, and I am offering the counterpoint.
November 4, 2016 @ 5:38 pm
(and look as soon as those stories started to appear and gain traction, all of a sudden CMA posted a bunch of Beyonce stuff to it’s social media accounts, well after stuff from all the other artists, that official statement….doesn’t pass the smell test.)
November 4, 2016 @ 12:12 pm
Personally, I am OK with pop singers visiting the country genre every now and then, but with Beyonce, I was worried about what would happen. What really frustrated me the most with all the racist comments was how lazy, selfish, and close-minded they are. On the bright side, at least Beyonce did not perform Formation at the CMA’s.
November 4, 2016 @ 4:24 pm
^ I too am okay with pop singers doing country every once in a while for example a former-rocker Darius Rucker is one of the only country singers out there worth a crap right now in my opinion right there with Charlie Worsham & Chris Stapleton but wait no I’m white so I cannot possibly like Rucker right? I MUST be racist! for the record I don’t dislike Beyonce because she’s black I dislike her because I think her music sucks! also as far as pop artists going country I really liked Michael Johnson’s country stuff from the late ’80s he’s the dude that sings “Bluer Than Blue” but I really enjoyed his country material too particularly the song “That’s That.”
November 4, 2016 @ 12:20 pm
Travis Tritt nailed it in a couple of tweets:
“I love honest to God country music and feel the need to stand up for it at all costs. We don’t need pop or rap artists to validate us.”
“As I see it, country music has appealed to millions for many years. We can stand on our own and don’t need pop artists on our awards shows.”
November 4, 2016 @ 12:56 pm
Good ole Travis always sums it up in a few short words.Love that guy!
November 4, 2016 @ 1:15 pm
I just hope he doesn’t apologize and “clarify” his remarks in the coming days….
November 4, 2016 @ 3:19 pm
Yeah I got caught up in a bunch of “you are a racist” mentions on twitter because I replied to what Travis said. People amaze me sometimes.
November 4, 2016 @ 12:33 pm
Quite the rant! I was just waiting for a Big Al Downing “Story Behind The Story” reference for so very many reasons
November 4, 2016 @ 12:51 pm
If you use the argument that Beyonce shouldn’t be on the CMAs because a country singer wouldn’t be on the BETs, you are fueling the racism. Consciously or not, you are saying that the BETs are for black people and the CMAs are for white people and the two can’t mix. The CMAs are obviously mixed as Trigger noted, and the BETs not including white people is a discussion for another thread. But just because the BETs wouldn’t invite a country singer does not mean that it is the reason the CMAs shouldn’t have invited Beyonce.
November 4, 2016 @ 3:42 pm
It’s not about color though. It’s about genre. Eminem
I’m sure has been on the BETs and greatly welcomed I’m sure. It’s more about genre homogenization to me than anything. Now with that said I know the comments made on The CMA website were racial based, and that stuff does exist I realize that. I’m just making the argument, that for someone like myself, the CMA-BET comparison isn’t racist in my mind.
November 5, 2016 @ 9:42 am
On the other hand, Beyoncé has never performed at the BETs because she’s pop, not hip hop…which makes the argument a bit harder to defend.
November 5, 2016 @ 9:52 am
Ah, wait. I was looking at the BET Hip Hop awards, because they’re the actual analog to the CMAs.
Em doesn’t go to the “Achievements in black culture” BETs. He goes to the hip hop ones.
November 5, 2016 @ 8:44 pm
This is where I would have to plead ignorance to the facts. I didn’t know that the BET awards were just for hip hop, or that they had different award shows.
November 4, 2016 @ 1:04 pm
Well said Travis. Question . Does the BET awards invite Carrie Underwood or Miranda Lambert on? What would happen if they did? Maybe they will invite Dixie Chicks on just to make their political point? We are at a point in time where literally Everything is political!!! Even that Tim Mcgraw performance was extremely political, if you didn’t notice, look on the screen behind him and you will see.
Can’t music just be about fun and forget the stupid politics ?
November 4, 2016 @ 2:21 pm
Best post ever, Trigger.
November 4, 2016 @ 2:45 pm
So, I looked through all the comments on CMA’s various social media channels when all of this controversy was going down to try and find the alleged and apparently virulent racism that was being spewed forth. And to be honest, I didn’t find it. I saw some people complaining that Beyonce didn’t belong on the CMAs because she’s a pop artist (but I have seen similar complaints about white pop artists on country music shows in the past), or that it was unfair that she got a full performance slot when the CMAs couldn’t find time for a Dolly Parton to make a full acceptance speech. (Which seems like a legitimate complaint, I think.) I saw a couple of comments like you mentioned which said something like, “Does this mean Carrie Underwood is going to sing at the BET Awards?” But those honestly seemed like jokes to me. There may be a racial subtext there, but there’s also a lot of truth to it – lately, pop stars are constantly trotted out on what are ostensibly country music award shows and TV specials, when it would be rare to see a country music artist on the MTV Awards or on on a hip-hop show, for instance. And honestly, you would probably see plenty of “prejudiced” social media comments if a traditional county music singer did show up in one of those settings. (I have seen comments like these made about country music artists at the Grammy’s, for instance.) Mostly though, what I saw were angry comments from conservative types complaining about the Dixie Chicks and Beyonce being “anti-cop” and “anti-American.” Well, that’s a political statement. It may be hyperbolic or even misinformed (Beyonce has said she’s not anti-cop, and it’s doubtful that the Dixie Chicks would consider themselves anti-American), but it’s obviously political in nature. Having said that, it’s not like conservatives hold a patent on making hyperbolic political comments on the internet. Platforms like Twitter are awash with emotionally-triggered keyboard warriors of a progressive ilk complaining and throwing tantrums over relatively benign pop culture content, and sometimes viciously attacking people, including public figures, who don’t toe the line. Unfortunately, that just seems to be the nature of our modern “social” media environment. In either case, the people making the most noise are usually a vocal minority. Regarding the Beyonce performance specifically, most people probably either didn’t care about the performance, liked it, or thought, “Beyonce on a country music show? Huh, that’s weird,” and flipped back over to the Cubs game. To the extent that a certain segment of the CMA audience was irritated, I think the issue was sociopolitical, not racial. The Dixie Chicks and Beyonce are politicized figures.
To be honest, the only explicitly racial comments I saw the other night came from Beyonce fans. For example: a snarky, mocking tweet about how country music fans were likely crying “white tears” over the greatness of Beyonce’s performance, along with other comments pertaining to stereotypes about the country music audience. It also seemed to me that the vocal contingent of Beyonce’s fan base on social media was very disrespectful and dismissive of the entire proceedings. I’m not trying to start some kind of tit-for-tat cat fight here, but those were my honest observations. Honestly, there was probably poor behavior on both sides.
Maybe there were explicitly racist comments from country music fans somewhere, but I didn’t see them, I just kept seeing people refer to them as if they obviously existed, and were self-evident. This comment section is the first place I’ve actually seen one.
November 4, 2016 @ 3:15 pm
Yeah buddy… this think piece will roll back 400 years of institutional racism and you totally blew apart those ‘liberal’ journalists ideas about Country music being racist by mentioning THREE black country music performers. What were they thinking?
November 4, 2016 @ 5:05 pm
Does country music have a diversity problem in regards to black performers? Sure it does. But the reason that I mentioned Charley Pride is because when you have a performer who is in the Hall of Fame, whose earned 29 #1 singles over a 25 year period, and over 50 Top 10 singles, it’s hard to make the case that black performers have been institutionally ignored in country music history. But the problem is, none of the authors of these think pieces and accusations against country music have any idea who Charley Pride is.
On the CMA Awards, an artist named Eric Church performed his latest single called “Kill A Word.” The song is about hatred, and racism specifically. He performed the song with Rhiannon Giddens, a black country music performer. Who is talking about this performance, and how it could open doors, bridge gaps, and foster understanding across racial lines? None of the dozens of think pieces posted on this subject have even given mention to the performance, or even Rhiannon Giddens at all. Why? Because it was all overshadowed by the presence of a mega pop star, Beyonce, and the subsequent controversy stirred by her fans.
I didn’t mention these black performers to be “Oh, we can’t be racist. See these token black performers?!?”
I did it because the people claiming racism against the CMA’s and country music by proxy are completely uneducated about the history of country music, or the current black artists that the genre, artists like Eric Church, and outlets like Saving Country Music, are attempting to support to foster more diversity in the ranks of country entertainers. Beyonce isn’t helping this case, she’s hurting in by overshadowing many great moments, and great performances at the CMA’s, and sowing division.
And this wasn’t a think piece. It was a rant.
November 4, 2016 @ 5:52 pm
Just come right out and do it: call Charley Pride and the other black country music performers Uncle Toms.
A black country music performer will get more shit and less support from other blacks and “enlightened” whites than they will from stereotypical racists.
November 4, 2016 @ 8:21 pm
Well, it is a business after all.
Black people, in my experience, really don’t listen to country music that much. So, why would you expect a high number of black performers?
There are very few black country singers coming through the pipes, so of course they will not have good representation vs. the whole public. However, they are probably represented well in terms of the actual percentage of black people who listen to country. Either way, the solution is definitely not to simply shoehorn in pop singers, and then call everyone racist when people object.
You claim that lack of diversity in country is a problem, but think of this: are black people more likely to listen to country after Beyonce performed? Looking to cause a shitstorm? Definitely not. You start at the ground level, not at the top.
November 4, 2016 @ 3:23 pm
Sometimes the faults and passion of the messenger cast shade on a message that deserves to be heard.
Black people and black music are key to the background of country music and that message deserves to be heard. It really is one of the great untold stories of country music.
It may be too much to hope for but wouldn’t it be great if we could hear this story as a story about us instead of one of us against them. I acknowledge that structural racism ensured that often white performers were given the spotlight to play black music while black musicians were relegated to black only clubs and no radio play. There is a lot more to this story though, I’d like to hear about the influences or appropriation if you will that went both ways. These white performers who appropriated certain aspects of black music, some of them were outward racists but some as well privately held a deep love and appreciation for these cultures.
For those interested in these histories, Ken Burns documentary about Jazz is a good start. Early jazz and blues are probably the biggest roots to modern popular music in general. Ragtime syncopation and dixie piano rolls were adopted into bluegrass and country music along with the blues. The minstrel show tradition, at first a European folk tradition but later one that morphed into racist stereotyping for entertainment, was a precursor to country music. The music was often exploited by those who wished to suppress blacks, but I also think that some of these musicians themselves simply loved the music.
I’m glad the conversation is happening though. Let’s bring more attention to the contribution of artists like Chuck Berry, Brook Benton, Jelly Roll Morton, Mississippi John Hurt, Lightening Hopkins, etc. Or later artists who played southern soul / rnb with a roots sound: artists like Solomon Burke, Brook Benton, Bobby Hebb, Otis Williams, The Pointer Sisters, Al Green, Ray Charles, Esther Phillips, etc.
There exists a spectrum between soul music and country music, where the color of the artist is a key to how we parse them and assign them to genres. What makes Charlie Rich a country singer and Brook Benton an RNB singer? How about Jerry Lee Lewis, Kenny Rogers, Conway Twitter, Bobbie Gentry, and the many other country musicians who had a background in the Memphis RNB/soul music scene. The racial segregation in the south, and in the music industry, cannot be seperated from the genre segregation that we still see today.
November 5, 2016 @ 9:58 am
Yeah, Country is the blues filtered through the Appalachian experience.
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Classic (Elvis-style) rock n’ roll was about removing that filter, which is why it freaked Nashville out.
November 4, 2016 @ 3:25 pm
Another time I wish I could edit. I’m going to have to work on how I write my posts. I meant to have two lists, one of early blues roots artists that played “country” music and another with roots soul and rnb artists who often crossed over into country territory.
November 4, 2016 @ 3:42 pm
“Black people are some of the biggest crybabies you’ll ever meet”……
lmfao
November 4, 2016 @ 4:20 pm
This was a good article, you hit so many truths that these people refuse to face. We are going through our own rebirth and growth in country music. “The problem is not Beyonce herself, though she has no business taking up an important time at a country music awards show that could have gone to a country artist who would benefit greater from the exposure. ” I think she is part of THIS problem, while country music is being revamped and re- educated she is introducing problems and issues that don’t need to be part of that narrative. Beyonce only does these things for money and exposure, if she really cares about racism or BLM she would be an activist not a diva. How many times was she at riots trying to settle a crowd or leading towards a nonviolent movement? Tweeting and posting your opinion about something that doesn’t directly effect you isn’t activism, it’s a cry for attention. Children do the same thing.
Now the L.A. is more country than Houston comment is got to be an exaggeration to make your point. I do get that the city of Houston is not necessarily country itself, but it is the closest mecca for eastern Texas country to gather. People who actually live in Houston city limits are more often than not more urban than anything else. But the huge amount of communities surrounding Houston are predominantly country. We do have the world’s biggest rodeo you know. I live 20 min North of Houston, and you won’t find much L.A. culture here unless you mean Louisiana. This comment was said in the moment, but maybe you meant geography wise? East TX is pines, rivers, plains, and hills, by far less developed than L.A. i don’t really know what you meant.
While we are trying to determine the new path of country music, Beyonce is trying to dip into the cash pool. She doesn’t care about the path our music takes, you can bet she doesn’t even like country music. This was a “I’ll show em how its done”. Isn’t she completely estranged from her dad and sued him as well? Or is that just another one of daddy lessons, like Dad gets 20%.
November 4, 2016 @ 4:24 pm
People are just growing weary of having Beyonce (Kanye West too) rammed down their throats at every corner. I mean she’s fine for what she is, but assigning her pop music all sorts of sociological importance and deep meaning is ridiculous, it’s wiggle-pop, candy music, nothing remarkable or special. A genre like country has plenty to draw from without having to trot out Beyonce to “lure viewers”, recording one song with some (thin) country influence shouldn’t be a big deal. If she recorded a song with lots of heavy power chords and riffs would she have a spot at the Maryland Death fest too?
November 4, 2016 @ 4:57 pm
Beyonce & Dixie Chicks – it was inspired, creative and new – the only thing new during the whole show, the rest of it was regurgitated “Time Life Country Classics CD1 – CD5” (maybe next year we see the follow up (CD6 – CD10) – don’t get me wrong, I love all these originals, but besides wallowing in memories, what’s the fucking point. On the other hand there were the Lowest Common Denominator contributions as in Ballerini, FGL, Luke Bryan and whomever I may have missed.
Where are the creative forces with real music, real lyrics and real recordings – they are waiting in the hallway to get up on stage. But none of them was featured – that is the worst thing of the 2 1/2 hour marathon. No Pardi, no Morgan, no Price, no Clark (well I don’t mean Roy), no James, no Pitney, no Skidmore – that’s the outrage, not Beyonce warbling with the Chicks.
And now I shut up and let Ray Charles & Hank Williams, Jr. take over…
https://youtu.be/g0XHHOIk5aw
November 4, 2016 @ 5:22 pm
I haven’t watched the CMA (or any other awards) in so long I can’t remember the last time….I tuned in the latest one out of curiosity….my bad. I should have left well enough alone.
November 4, 2016 @ 5:28 pm
Second attempt…. I haven’t watched ANY awards show in so long I can’t remember the last one.
I tuned in this time out of curiosity…. when Bouncy came on I turned it off. I should have known better.
She isn’t Country (red, yellow, blue, white or orange)….. of course that can be said about most of what comes out of Nashville these days, hence my not tuning in in years….
November 4, 2016 @ 6:25 pm
“That’s what ALL of this is about. The racism claims, the think pieces, the public furor, it’s all a marketing campaign to get country radio to add “Daddy Lessons” to the rotation so Beyonce can make even more fucking money. Notice that Beyonce just released the video for the song to coincide with all of this drama. It’s pure marketing. And if country doesn’t kow tow, it’s racist.
But am I trying to defend the CMA’s here, the country industry, or the racists that left disparaging comments about Beyonce? No, I’m not. I think you should pile all the racists, the CMA’s, the idiotic Beyonce “Beyhive,” the idea that Beyonce has ANYTHING to contribute to country music aside from hate and division, all the think pieces and bad reporting on the CMA’s “scrubbing” Beyonce from their presence, and the assholic journalists that wrote them, and bulldoze the entire lot as an embarrassment of Western Civilization. Screw it all. They’re all to blame, and it’s all bullshit.
Now, get your nose out of the drama, and go listen to some fucking music.”
YES! YES! YES!
Great points Trigger! It is all bullshit and CMA’s/Beyoncé got what they wanted – people talking + all that publicity for them.
I have to say though, I rather enjoyed the Beyoncé/Dixie Chicks performance. I think they all are great talents. However, did the performance deserve to be on the 50th anniversary show? No, not really. I wish there had been more time/emphasis on the legends. But it is what it is. If you tune into the CMA awards or any huge corporate country award show, don’t expect a few hours of stone cold, traditional country awash with plenty of Steel & twin fiddles.
It’s all about ratings, publicity & ultimately $$$
People shouldn’t take these award shows so seriously. Great music should be what we’re talking about and focused on.
“The simple fact here is that the Millenials writing these think pieces have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.”
I hope you don’t think ALL Millenials are like this Trigger 😉
November 4, 2016 @ 6:35 pm
Also I would add Odetta to this list because she dabbled in folks blues country all of it. And she certainly knew her toots and knew music, RIP.
November 4, 2016 @ 7:04 pm
Poor Trigger … and you were so happy with the direction of country music, the show itself … soo much negativity … people really need to get some Willie Nelson in their lives, stat
November 4, 2016 @ 7:05 pm
And i didn’t mean that sarcastically. I felt terrible for my other fav Country personality, Rita, who has been lambasted from all sides for LOVING the show last night … what a world
November 4, 2016 @ 7:09 pm
I have a huge problem with the way that the media tries to spin things and make it appear people are racist, just because they don’t like something. I simply don’t like Beyonces music, it is not country and I do not like it at all. I will bang on her no different than I would any other artist. I have seen much worse on hear spoken of Luke Bryan and Fla Ga Line. Trigger is exactly right. Unfortunately I have no choice but to watch The View each day at work and they spoke how some people were not happy with Beyonce being there. They throw a picture of Kenny Cheney up on the screen and how he was just watching without showing excitement and they say “apparently Keith Chesney wasn’t happy about it”. Really, you take a pan of the audience shot and because he wasn’t dancing must mean he has a problem with her. What if he didn’t like it, which they have no idea if he did or not, but if he didn’t, it doesn’t mean he is racist. Of course Beyonce is gonna bring out the worst comments in some, she has taken a very hard stance on debated issues and her husband has made what some might view as very racist comments, so she was a lightning rod to have on the show.
November 4, 2016 @ 7:11 pm
People wanna say there isn’t much cultural diversity in country music, but is there really anyone being locked or because they are black? Or is it just that they don’t want to do it? What’s the percentage of Black hockey players? Are they getting locked out, over looked there too?
November 4, 2016 @ 8:24 pm
I have actually never met a black country music fan… so it makes sense that there would be few black performers. Just a bunch of shit-disturbers looking to attack a predominantly white genre.
Think of it this way: these people claim to want DIVERSITY in country. But are black people more likely to listen after this whole debacle? Absolutely not! They just want to cause a shit storm.
November 4, 2016 @ 8:25 pm
And I’m actually offended by the fact that there are so few white basketball players. I think we should thrown in Peyton Manning. Y’know, it’s a different sport and all, but we need better representation.
And to everyone who says this is a bad idea, it’s clearly because of his race, and nothing else. Racists.
November 4, 2016 @ 10:45 pm
“People wanna say there isn’t much cultural diversity in country music, but is there really anyone being locked or because they are black? Or is it just that they don’t want to do it?”
If it’s because black people don’t want to do it, it might be worth exploring why.
Because even a genre like hip hop seems to appeal to people from all backgrounds (blacks, whites Asian etc.). So why has country music (which was once strongly influenced by black music), lost its connection to black communities over the decades? Personally I think its a real shame
November 5, 2016 @ 10:01 am
Black hockey players can catch some vicious shit, man. It’s the only “white” sport left, and that attracts a certain additional demographic besides “people who enjoy hockey because it’s awesome.”
November 5, 2016 @ 2:36 pm
As someone who grew up revolving around the game, I have to say that those statements are patently false.
It’s also in the nature of the game for yourself and the teammates to stand up for each other. Whenever anything over the line gets said on the ice, the players don’t stand for it. Hockey has one of the most tightly knit team units. You don’t get away with saying racist shit without getting beat up.
November 5, 2016 @ 8:19 pm
I’m talking about fans, not players. If you’re in the trenches with someone, that takes precedence of any other bullshit.
Subban’s race is no more an issue to the Predators than Michael Sam’s sexual orientation was to the Missouri Tigers.
Opposing fans are a different matter, and that doesn’t happen in any other major sport, anymore.
November 5, 2016 @ 1:31 am
I enjoyed Beyonce’s performance at the CMAs. Although, I do not like the Dixie Chicks.
November 5, 2016 @ 5:09 am
You can’t please everyone, was the performance good? Yes. Is ‘daddy lessons’ country? NO. People need to get out of there own way once in a while. Beyoncé had no business being there just as much as Carrie has no business as a BET award
November 5, 2016 @ 7:31 am
The problem with today’s world is social media influence. Someone with a ton of followers gets offended, mostly for a “just because” reason, posts a tweet, it gets RTed like mad, “news” outlets pick it up, the fire continues to spread until seemingly EVERYONE is offended, and nobody ever bothered to check the facts of the original post.
November 5, 2016 @ 8:06 am
These mega-stars are a real PITA.
Everything is always about them.
Not the music.
And definitely not the fans who support them.
They are actually quite a bore to me.
November 5, 2016 @ 1:05 pm
How about next time, just let country music singers play during the CMAs?
Since it is a celebration of country music’s biggest stars.
This genre acts like the pretty girl at school who doesn’t think she is pretty so she sleeps around with guys beneath her to feel good.
Country music doesn’t need Timberlake of Beyonce.
November 5, 2016 @ 3:23 pm
As I said above, the country genre is so deep and so loaded with worthwhile entertainers they shouldn’t want or need to invite jiggle-pop queens to pose and make-believe as they dip their toe in the genre. And it’s not “racism” at all to say so. If, for example, Nickleback did a song with a heavy breakdown then appeared at the (fictional) “Extreme Metal Awards” of course the fans and artists would be baffled and confused. If Beyonce wants to “conquer” country then go ahead, do a real country record.
November 5, 2016 @ 6:26 pm
Trigger, I got nothing to add to what you wrote! I often disagree with you but this time I don’t… very well written and explained perfectly one of the best things you’ve wrote in my opinion
November 5, 2016 @ 10:46 pm
I can’t stand Beyonce. I think she is extremely overrated. Mainly because she is a mediocre vocalist at best. I don’t GAF about slutty costuming and dance moves. Does that make me racist? If you believe so, you are a fucking moron. I think Whitney Houston was an amazing vocalist. I love Motown, and I love Blues music. I think African American artists have contributed some of the greatest music of all time to our culture. But that doesn’t change the fact that I think Beyonce sucks, and that she has no business being a part of the CMAs. As Trigger alluded to above, this whole thing is a big pile of stinking shit, and its an indicator of the state of our society right now. I truly believe that historians will one day look back and see the time period we are living in now as the beginning of the end of the USA. Oh well, we had a good run I guess.
November 6, 2016 @ 9:24 am
I see a hell of a lot of “Beyonce doesn’t belong, we don’t need pop artists for validation,” and blah, blah, blah. I think many are missing the forest for the trees. Newsflash: Carrie Underwood, Florida Georgia Line, Luke Bryan, etc. DO NOT BELONG! What does it matter if you have Beyonce or Blink 182 or Bing Crosby? None of it is country, or next to nothing. If you tune in to these award shows, you are going to be pissed off or disappointed every time. And you are contributing to the ratings, encouraging it by watching. Newsflash number 2: Just because Stapleton, Simpson, etc. have achieved widespread commercial success and awards doesn’t necessarily mean anything is shifting or changing. Many, many years ago, the song “Murder On Music Row” won Song Of The Year at one such award show. Many, including myself, had great hope and optimism that the people had spoken and by God, Nashville was gonna listen! How’s that been working out for us? Pop took over country a long time ago without a fight, and that isn’t gonna change. Nashville does not give a shit about anything except getting richer. That’s why there will always be a Beyonce at the award shows, and that’s why you’ll always have Taylor Swift-Kelsea Ballerini-Sam Hunt-Brantley Gilbert types on the radio 24-7. It’s simply supply and demand. It’s why Bud Light, the Kardashians, and Pokémon are so ubiquitous; people don’t want anything too deep, complex, sophisticated or meaningful. I understand and respect the plight of Saving Country Music, but let’s be real here. We’ve got about as much of a chance of that as the government has winning the war on drugs.
November 6, 2016 @ 10:06 am
“Many, many years ago, the song “Murder On Music Row” won Song Of The Year at one such award show. Many, including myself, had great hope and optimism that the people had spoken and by God, Nashville was gonna listen! How’s that been working out for us? Pop took over country a long time ago without a fight, and that isn’t gonna change.”
I disagree with this. I think it the last few years, there has been seismic change in country music for the good, and across the board, from the independent to the mainstream. I think this is beginning to be universally recognized, from the labels signing more authentic artists, to the CMA’s booking a dozen legends to perform last week, to traditional country finally gaining traction again on radio. Yes, pop is still an element of country, and as someone pointed out this the comments recently, it seems like the pop stuff is getting worse, even as country in general gets better. Progress is being made, and that should have been the narrative coming out of the 2016 CMA Awards instead of this Beyonce drama.
November 6, 2016 @ 10:47 am
Pop is still AN element of country? Seismic change? Not on my FM band. I guess your glass is half full, and mine’s half empty. I agree that some progress has been made, and I’m glad for it. But I believe it is fleeting. I hope I’m wrong.
November 6, 2016 @ 1:16 pm
It’s hard to take Trigger seriously when he never call out Hank Williams , Jr. For his racist comments about our president. You should have called him out. When Travis Tritt starts mentioning blank people he’s worked that’s 101 response to being called a racist. Trigger is always sensitive to criticism. He can dish it but can’t take it. Country music always has had a history of being resistant to growing and expanding. This is nothing new.
November 6, 2016 @ 2:36 pm
The reason I did not called out Hank Jr. for his “racist” comments about Obama is because 1) They were not racist. 2) I don’t get involved in political discussions. If you disagree with me about #1, see #2.
However, the idea that somehow I’ve let certain folks off the hook while criticizing others is ridiculous. I’ve absolutely torched Hank Jr.’s new music, and specifically for the political idiocy he spews in it. For example, QUOTE:
“If I had to describe this album in one sentence it would be, “Bocephus walks into a studio, cuts on a mic, and begins to blow hard.” Old School, New Rules is a self-important, self-promoting, self-gratifying opus of an American doofus offering no real depth, wisdom, originality, or creative engagement. It is the Shock n’ Y’all of 2012; a political album that relies on the same old tired Hank Jr. modes, and marks a moment of egotistical grandstanding future generations will look back on with embarrassment.”
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/hank-williams-jr-s-old-school-new-rules-rank-political-rancor/
Now try and discuss with your Facebook friends that I’ve never criticized Hank Jr.
I can’t even glean the point you’re trying to make in your comment. But just chalk that up to me not being able to take criticism.
November 6, 2016 @ 1:37 pm
Look we’re not racist we even let that Darius Tucker guy play country and Charley Pride. 2 people of color in a big industry spannnig 50 plus years and one you can’t even spell his name right. The comments on this article pretty much prove why people the world over have such low opinions of country and country music fans. I’m going to go back through the archives and see if country fans were equally angry when Meghan Trainor, Ariana Grande and Justin Timberlake performed a the CMAs.
November 6, 2016 @ 6:22 pm
I’m not going to say that an unfortunately significant portion country music fans don’t have a problem with race ( subconscious or not), but there were actually lot of people pissed off about Grande, Trainor, Timberlake, etc. performing at country music award ceremonies. But the Beyonce performance just happened to be a perfect shitstorm. Beyonce is (unfairly) thought of as being a race-baiter and anti-police by some consevatives, the Dixie Chicks are still hated for their 2004 remarks about Bush, and we are on the brink of a pretty nasty election between two people that are absolutely despised by their respective opposing parties, not to mention a pop singer id singing one of her songs as the opening act of the ceremony. I think Beyonce could have performed a duet with one of the well liked/non-controversial country singers and it wouldn’t have been as big of a deal.
November 6, 2016 @ 8:09 pm
The fact that the Dixie Chick’s are still treated like red headed stepchildren pretty much enforces the if you’re not either us you’re against us but in Beyonce’s case stick to your BET awards because……..reasons attitude that permeates country. There was nowhere near the outrage over white pop performers. CMAs didn’t have to go delete all mention of Ariana. Travis Tritt even had people talking segregation on his twitter tirades.
November 6, 2016 @ 9:05 pm
Country Charm,
The CMA’s deleted the Beyonce mentions AT THE REQUEST OF THE BEYONCE CAMP, and we confirmed this information days ago, on Friday. It had nothing to do with an onsalaught of racist comments, it has to do with major pop stars wanting to control all of their media. Go read the story in The Tennessean linked in the article. There is still so much misinformation out there about this story. And just because some troll says something on Twitter, it doesn’t mean anything. It’s anecdotal.
November 6, 2016 @ 4:45 pm
I am so tired of hearing and seeing Queen Beyonce. I don’t like her singing, and she has no place at a country music awards show. Justin Timberlake has spoken out about possibly making a country album, and is a fan of country music. Has Beyonce ever said that? Not that I know of. She is over-rated, and with the help of managers, producers, etc. has become inescapably huge. Didn’t care for her Super Bowl performance either. It’s not racism. It’s personal preference. I thought Rhiannon Giddens was wonderful by the way. What a talented young woman!
November 6, 2016 @ 10:06 pm
Try this one next time Trig…. The millInial media has their tongues so far up beyounces ass they are tasting what she ate for lunch.”
November 7, 2016 @ 10:36 am
Why did they choose to pair Beyonce with the Dixie Chicks? Was it for or in spite of country fans on a celebration of the 50th anniversary? Well, it backfired, because it drew incredible amount of hate…from the Beyhive along with country music fans. Beyonce controls her message, yet she sits idle as her fans wish death on bystanding country music artists who don’t *smile* during a performance. This is what the 50th anniversary will be remembered for — further division. What a mistake. Someone should be held accountable for this.
November 7, 2016 @ 2:04 pm
“Someone should be held accountable for this.”
I blame Clayton Delaney, and you should, too.
November 8, 2016 @ 5:54 am
Clayton Delaney it is. Now I am going to listen to my favorite songs and not worry about the rest. Thanks.
November 7, 2016 @ 11:38 am
I’m telling you it’s the chem trails.
November 7, 2016 @ 4:07 pm
NYT got it right http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/arts/music/beyonce-political-hillary-clinton-dixie-chicks.html