Sturgill Simpson Reveals Plot for Double Album on Joe Rogan Podcast
The always elusive and enigmatic Sturgill Simpson stopped by the studio of Joe Rogan in Los Angeles to record a long-form podcast recently, and revealed some interesting tidbits about his musical plans in the coming future both recorded and live.
During the nearly three-hour discussion, many topics were broached, but most pertinent to the music world was the revelation that Sturgill has mapped out a purposeful way he will approach the next few years with recording and touring to make sure he delivers in both theaters to the best of his ability.
“I don’t want to be in the music business,” Sturgill said. “I’m just going to be in the Sturgill business. Because the mechanical timeline of it all, by the time you go in to make [a] record, you’ve been processing and thinking about it so much, for months. I equate it to driving in a really heavy downpour rainstorm for an extended period of time where there’s a mental exhaustion that comes from it, but you have to just keep going. But by the time it’s finished and mixed, you’ve heard this thing 1,000 times. You don’t ever want to hear it again. But now you’ve got to go out and play it on the road every night for a year and a half. So we’re trying to constantly reinvent how to keep that fresh and exciting, while holding the pause button on going over here and recording creatively what you may already be on to.”
“So I realized this year I’m going to take the reigns,” Sturgill continued. “I’m going to play 30 festivals, because those things are always so fun, just to go out and get all the energy in your face. And then we’re going to do probably a double album, and another record. And just record it all so that when I do want to go and do a really big long two-year tour, we have all this new material, and the old stuff to pull from.”
That’s right, we could have a many as three full albums coming from Sturgill Simpson at some point, though the idea appears to be to leave the album after the double album on the shelf for a while. And despite the demand for Sturgill Simpson live being quite high, he seems content to play a more festival-oriented, selective schedule to keep every specific performance special.
“I’d rather go play 30 or 60 shows a year, and know that every one of those was 110%, as opposed to the Tuesday and Wednesday shows to get you to this weekend market where everyone’s counting their checks already, and your exhausted and the shows suffer, and these people paid money,” Sturgill explained. “I just want every night to be great. But for me most importantly right now, the fun is the studio, and the process of trying to push it to get to what’s next.”
Sturgill also revealed that he’s had a pretty famous set of ears listening to what he’s been working on recently.
“Yesterday was probably one of those days where you’re like, ‘Yeah, this is why I do this,'” Sturgill told Joe Rogan. “I ended up going up to Malibu to Rick Rubin’s house, and I was playing him some of this record I’m working on to get some feedback. It was one of those moments . . . Rick Rubin is all Indian-style on his couch, head banging like a caveman, and he had literally the best sounding stereo system I had ever heard in my life.”
Stugill Simpson also explained that he’s through with social media once again. “I tried Twitter again. I told Jason Isbell I would give it a second shot, but I realized my kids are way more interesting. I would just rather be writing a song or doing something else.”
Simpson was just announced as one of the headliners for Willie Nelson’s upcoming 4th of July Picnic, along with a growing festival schedule for 2018. No word on when new music might be finished or released. You can see the entire discussion below.
March 8, 2018 @ 9:08 am
Probably one of the better interviews I’ve heard Sturgill give in while. It’s interesting his take on all the musicians leaving Nashville because of costs going up and that he actually has relocated to the Smoky Mountains with his family.
March 8, 2018 @ 11:07 am
Couple of things:
1) This is a problem that even the heads of the labels are open about being a problem. In particular, unless you write basically five HUGE hit songs in a calendar year, songwriters can no longer really afford to live in Nashville.
2) Honestly, if you have a family, the Smoky Mountains sounds like a hell of a better living situation than Nashville anyway. I live in the ‘burbs of Nashville, due to having a kid and needing SOME kind of green space around us, but I’d probably be willing to leave the entertainment factor behind for some mountain living at this point, too. Hell, with a family, I’m just missing everything anyway.
March 8, 2018 @ 1:47 pm
I live near the Smokies (about an hour from where I’m fairly sure Sturgill bought his property), and it is great out here. I hope he loves it.
March 10, 2018 @ 8:28 am
Just from my limited perspective, 1000 percent agree. I lived in Nashville for 6 years, 2 of which was while writing on publishing deal. Every single year my rent went up, traffic got worse, performing pay went down, and the only real profit I made was from leaving town to perform. I just moved to New Orleans and I couldn’t be happier.
March 9, 2018 @ 8:50 am
True and this echoes the recent article here about Dale Watson moving his operation from Austin to Memphis. These two big “Music Cities” are pricing the musicians right out.
March 9, 2018 @ 9:41 am
Those in Texas who listen to NPR may have heard Dale speak about this on the Texas Standard last night. Included in the discussion was the fact that Austin has no free parking anywhere. Dale said many nights, he would Uber to a show rather than park all night, just to save cost. That’s pretty interesting.
March 8, 2018 @ 9:19 am
Referring to himself in the third person? That douche-pump! (Heavy sarcasm)
March 8, 2018 @ 9:19 am
He also revealed he got the idea for his new music while laying in bed, high on edibles, listening to old music he likes while recovering from sinus surgery. Like everyone else, I’m curious what form his music will take. He’s a true artist and I’ve loved everything he’s created to this point.
March 8, 2018 @ 6:45 pm
Very excited about the gene clark influence he mentioned.
March 8, 2018 @ 9:26 am
The thing is I don’t do festivals anymore except for Willie Nelson events … Farm Aid, Outlaw Fest, 4th of July (I’m passing on this year). So I won’t see him live until he tours as a headliner.
But, it’s encouraging new music might be coming soon.
March 8, 2018 @ 9:33 am
Y don’t u do festivals?
March 8, 2018 @ 9:41 am
You don’t see enough of the artists you paid to see (at best you get an hour, at worst 25 minutes). The people around you don’t care about the artists you paid to see and talk all over your favorite songs. Vendors at festivals price gouge the fans.
March 8, 2018 @ 11:09 am
To be fair, vendors gouge you at regular concerts (hello, $10 cans of Bud Light!), and assholes talk all over the top of headliners at regular shows, too.
March 8, 2018 @ 3:22 pm
Yeah but at a regular concert, I’m there 3 hours, so I can regulate the amount of $10 Buds I drink. At a 9, 10 hour festival, even if I choose not to drink beer, they are getting me for multiple $7 bottle water and food. And when there’s an artist I don’t care about (Sheryl Crow), I’m walking around spending money.
March 8, 2018 @ 1:37 pm
Certainly some festival experiences can be like that, but a well-curated festival can undoubtedly enhance the live experience, even with shorter set times.
I don’t know anyone who curates worse events than Blackbird Presents.
March 8, 2018 @ 1:52 pm
Trigger wrote an article a few weeks ago about how festivals generally do not appeal to women- I count myself in that demographic. I really despise festivals, and the only one I’d consider going to is Mile 0 Fest next year. By just doing festivals, Sturgill is missing a large segment of his fanbase. If he is just having fun, good for him, but I will hold out until he does another headlining tour.
March 8, 2018 @ 3:20 pm
HA! I go to those because of Willie. I’ve been to very odd venues – some have worked, some have been a disaster – thanks to Blackbird.
March 8, 2018 @ 9:31 am
I read the headline that he and Joe Rogan were putting out an album together. I’m really glad I read the headline wrong!
March 8, 2018 @ 1:39 pm
Yeah I tweaked it a little. Took it as a given that folks knew Joe Rogan wasn’t a musician.
March 8, 2018 @ 10:25 am
Thanks for the cliffs notes. I’ll have to wait till i’m doing some long chore to listen to this whole thing. I’m starting to agree with him on social media myself.
Also I’m sure I missed something in between but I thought he already gave his last interview to Noisey? Not that I believed that…
March 8, 2018 @ 11:11 am
Eh, he and Rogan seem to be pretty friendly, so I’d be shocked if he turned down his buddies’ requests for interviews in favor for a random interview with Vice.
Signed,
Guy who has been turned down for Sturgill interviews since pre-“Turtles” days
March 9, 2018 @ 7:13 am
Pretty sure he said he was done specifically with print media (ie magazines, newspapers etc) and that he’d only be doing videotaped sit downs from now on
But either way Rogan and Sturgill are buddies so I doubt he even considered this an “interview”.
I dont really either as it feels more like just a casual conversation between two dudes without all the hidden agenda’s he said made him not want to talk to press anymore.
March 9, 2018 @ 10:59 am
Yea, It really wasn’t much of an interview. It was more like two friends shooting the shit. Not a whole lot of interesting content. I’d rather listened to Tom Delong from Blink 182 talk about UFO’s again on his podcast and his work with the secret shadow government.
March 8, 2018 @ 10:47 am
I thought at one time he said he was only making 5 albums total, think the double album and another on top of it will be the last unless he does a collaboration type project?
March 8, 2018 @ 10:59 am
Sturgill says a lot of things. He’s a talker. But don’t put stock in everything he says. He told Rolling Stone a while ago he wanted to do a dance album! Then he talked about doing shows playing rock, r and b and country and doing marathon 3 hr sets. Now he says only festivals.
My thought, wait and see. Dude seems to be ADHD.
March 8, 2018 @ 11:12 am
Or a stoner. Nothing will make someone talk about early retirement as much as getting high.
March 8, 2018 @ 11:23 am
That’s interesting, I usually just want to eat ice cream.
March 8, 2018 @ 11:27 am
Note: please edit the above to read “Nothing will make someone IN ENTERTAINMENT talk about…”
March 9, 2018 @ 9:10 am
if you ever saw him live then you’d know he is definitely NOT a talker..I think the truth is that he actually hates talking
Im pretty sure he just likes throwing out misinformation because he knows the people he’s messing with will talk about in a blog comment section
March 9, 2018 @ 9:23 am
I think he became less of a talker on stage as the venues got bigger. Specifically, I noticed a big change when he went from a mid sized listening room to big rock club.
March 8, 2018 @ 10:52 am
I keep trying to like Joe Rogan, but it’s hard to take him seriously when he has guests like this on his podcast.
March 9, 2018 @ 7:11 pm
You should listen Honk.
Might learn something.
March 10, 2018 @ 2:31 am
At this point it’s just sad that “honkey”’s only connection to modern music seems to be mikdland, mo Pitney, and writing negative comments about his man-crush Stu.
March 10, 2018 @ 8:04 am
I agree. It is terribly sad that there’s nothing better to listen to. Isn’t that why we’re all here?
March 12, 2018 @ 8:30 am
Plot twist: I’m guessing King Honky is actually Sturgill.
March 8, 2018 @ 11:34 am
Sturgill is the most interesting man in the world.
March 8, 2018 @ 12:13 pm
He’s not even the most interesting man in this comment section.
March 8, 2018 @ 12:20 pm
And neither are you. Go away.
March 8, 2018 @ 11:37 am
I sent you the Joe Rogan link a few days back… Guess you were already on it.
March 8, 2018 @ 1:40 pm
Should have posted this days ago, but literally three Sturgill stories broke on the same day so I decided to space out. And still folks will rail on me for talking too much about Sturgill.
March 8, 2018 @ 3:13 pm
I wonder if Honkey appreciates them being spaced ot or would rather get them all over with at once.
March 8, 2018 @ 11:48 am
I wouldnt be surprised if he releases the double album and the next album close together. Going along with the narrative he is explaining, this would allow him to do that “two year long tour” without getting worn out by the rain.
March 8, 2018 @ 12:20 pm
Good interview. Looking forward to the album. One thing that jumped out at me. He said he didn’t have a manager or even a publicist anymore. Can that be right? He had such a good team behind him, that seemed odd to me.
March 8, 2018 @ 1:14 pm
I mean, when you’re not really interested in doing publicity, there’s no reason to keep paying for a publicist. Although I *will* say anyone in entertainment firing a manager without a reason other than “I don’t want one” seems like they are setting themselves up for a fall.
March 8, 2018 @ 1:49 pm
Agreed. And you still need to publicize shows and he’ll want reviews for the next CD. I don’t know, I hope he rehires some of the people who got him to where he is.
March 8, 2018 @ 1:42 pm
This is true. Heard about this a while back. Don’t be surprised if he rehires folks in the future, but why have a publicist when you don’t really do press, or pay a manager when there’s not much work to do. He also talked about wanting to keep his team small and manageable for his own sanity. I’m sure that’s part of it.
March 8, 2018 @ 12:41 pm
I haven’t been a fan of the double album for a while.
IDK, even longer albums lose my interest sometimes.
Material has to be stellar.
March 8, 2018 @ 1:15 pm
The giant album has become a “thing” again. Urban acts in the past year have really jumped onto the concept, and apparently its paying off.
March 8, 2018 @ 1:41 pm
Does anyone know if there are any good books chronicling Rick Rubin’s career? I did a search and see there’s a couple books out there but not much on reviews of those books. His history seems like it would make for a pretty fascinating book if the book was well written and followed all the different music styles and different bands he’s worked with.
March 8, 2018 @ 4:01 pm
I know what I’ll be doing for 3 hours of my “work shift” this weekend.
March 8, 2018 @ 6:53 pm
I take this to mean that I’ll never get to see Sturgill in concert. Glad to hear about multiple re ok eases though
March 10, 2018 @ 6:14 pm
Sturgill has been on Rogan three times. This, in my opinion, was the best by far. This was a wonderful podcast for music fans and anyone looking to expand their minds. Sturgill had mentioned, in a previous interview, that his next album will be a concept album about going to Hell. I’m excited to hear the double album. Even more so now that Rick Rubin is gracing his genius feedback. Cheers!
P.S. What do we need to do to get Hank 3 on Rogan?
March 10, 2018 @ 6:15 pm
I’d just be happy to get Hank3 out of his house.
March 11, 2018 @ 6:06 pm
Rick Rubin can eat a bag of dicks. This tool has done nothing since his ‘stumbling’ upon Run-DMC and then becoming some hip-hop guru. He has done nothing more than adding his name to talent to give it ‘cred’. He wanted The Black Crowes to change their name to The Kobb Kounty Krowes..KKK, get it? Said that the contoversy would be good. This is a guy that built his name off black artists. He then put his name on their debut lp that he had NOTHING to do with. Fuck him…
March 11, 2018 @ 7:57 pm
Johnny Cash. “Hurt” American IV. Via Rick Rubin.
March 13, 2018 @ 12:45 am
too bad Sturgill isn’t even playing the Pot of Gold Festival. Would have liked to see him again, it has been 3 years, probably won’t ever again at this rate.