Gwyneth Paltrow Signing A Celebration of Mediocrity
And an act of quiet desperation from the music industry.
On Tuesday it was reported that Academy Award winning actress Gwyneth Paltrow was fielding offers for a record deal to record a “country pop” album, and later that she had signed a $900,000 deal with Atlantic Records.
I am quite astonished with this in so many different ways I don’t even know where to start. Actually I do. How about with the fact that Gwyneth, across multiple platforms, including movie, radio, and performance, and from a critical and commercial standpoint, has already failed in country music.
The movie “Country Strong”, which is the impetus for this whole country music career, was a colossal critical and commercial failure. Though the soundtrack of the movie made it all the way to #2 on Billboard’s country charts, the sountrack’s lead “Country Strong” single recorded by Paltrow charted a paltry #30. The latest single “Me and Tennessee”, a duet with Tim McGraw, is being universally panned by critics, and sits at #41 on the charts, while the “Country Strong” movie can’t be found in a theater near you.
The Gwyneth signing is like a “go down gambling” move from a dying industry that is incapable of developing real talent, but they’re laying their bet on a table they know is rigged. And when will this album come out at the best estimate? 6 months? Christmas? 2012? Will there even be a music industry left to release this when the release date comes? Is there any chance that unless this is a top 5 country album that Atlantic would come even close to recouping their investment? I would have given her 20 grand and some singing lessons.
One surprising thing about all this is that Nashville has little to do with it. I’m sure they’ll use Nashville studios, songwriters, and session players, but Atlantic is not a top Music Row label. The closest thing they have to a country superstar is Kid Rock. Though maybe this is a symptom of another problem, that being the creation of a mono-genre.
And I don’t mean this to be a knock on Gwyneth, I will get her album when it comes out, and do my best to listen it it honestly and fairly, but the model right now for new country stars is to find, well, models, and push them out on stage with fingers crossed they can hold a tune. As much as I hate that mold, at 38 and rising, Gwyneth doesn’t fit that at all. By today’s pop standards, she’s tore up and irrelevant. It doesn’t make sense from pop country’s own perspective.
How about giving $100,000 respectively to Ruby Jane, Rachel Brooke, and Caitlin Rose, three young, beautiful, and talented singers that could actually offer a sustainable future for the industry instead of “the fat get fatter” focus that has put the industry in this position. $100 Grand a piece is fine. Gwyneth can keep the rest. Oh, and those girls can also write their own songs, though another alarming thing about this story is that some are reporting that Gwyneth will be doing her own writing. This smacks of a celebrity coming in to offer a “third for a word”, as I highlighted in this article, robbing more deserving songwriters of revenue.
I know what the thought is here though: take a name that is already a international franchise, and attach music to it, and cross market it through movies and television. Ironically though, after Gwyneth’s last performance on Glee earlier this week, I was flooded with comments and emails about how her Glee character “insulted” Tennessee:
I just read in the newspaper that 90 high school girls in a Memphis school district got pregnant within three months. I mean, it is Tennessee, but still!” said Paltrow’s character, subbing as a sex-ed teacher.
As pliable and gullible as the country music consumer is, they rejected Jessica Simpson, they rejected Trace Adkins’ awful “Brown Chicken, Brown Cow”, and they rejected the Dixie Chicks after making what in the end were very very innocuous political statements. Oh, and they rejected “Country Strong” as well. I don’t think a passing comment on Glee could affect her, but the Hollywood persona most certainly will. Taylor Swift has more country cred than Gwyneth Paltrow.
And then there is Gwyneth’s performance at The Oscars. She was introduced as a “Singing sensation” and “Country music’s newest star”, but then came out, and by the look on her own face, which showed frustration, and by the end absolute embarrassment, she delivered a performance that was somewhere between flat and flat-out awful. By the end she looked like she had swallowed a razor blade. How many times have we replayed this scenario out over and over from these recent, stupid award shows and Super Bowl performances, and Star Spangled Banner renditions. She can’t sing. Gwyneth Paltrow can’t sing.
Taylor Swift is about to release her song “Mean” as her next single. It is about an unnamed music critic, that some think might be me. The leading candidate though is a cat named Bob Lefsetz, a music industry writer, who famously said after Taylor bombed her performance at The Grammy’s with Stevie Nicks, that, “Now the whole world knows that Taylor Swift can’t sing,” and that it was over for her. Well Bob Lefsetz was wrong. Just like Taylor’s CMA for Entertainer of the Year proved that a pop star could make it in country, and spurned acts like Sugarland and Lady Antebellum to follow that mold, Taylor Swift’s recovery after her Grammy performance proves that you don’t even have to be able to sing to be a massive star in music.
Our singers can’t sing. No wonder our leaders can’t lead, your food gives you Cancer, the shit you buy at Wal-Mart breaks after a week, and oil is $100/barrel even though we’ve got so much of it glutting the system, they can’t build silos in Cushing, OK quick enough to deal with how quickly it is piling up.
I know you may think this is grandstanding, but read the quote at the top of the page, and every Saving Country Music page. When you take mediocrity, put it up on a marble pedestal, shine a hot spotlight on it, shower it with money, and command the masses to come worship in it’s shadow, this is the kind of shit you get.
Congratulations America, a new country music idol is born!
307
March 10, 2011 @ 1:48 pm
I’m surprised that this didn’t happen sooner. I thought she would have had album ready to go around the time of the release of Country Strong.
Kyle
March 10, 2011 @ 2:53 pm
We all know it’ll be watered down, over-tuned, ultra-glammed, spit-shined, ported and polished dogshit country … cuz that’s what the people want. And unfortunately, the people WILL buy it. Like you said Trigger, mediocrity on a marble ped…estal will always be mediocrity, but the masses LOVE mediocrity. They can’t get enough of it. They eat, sleep and breathe mediocrity. They swallow it whole with a side of fries and a Diet Coke. If I were a prayin’ man, I’d pray for a revolution, but instead I HOPE — and I hope till my fucking nose bleeds — that the more the medicority machine churns out Paltrows, Antebellums and Swifts, the closer we get to them making such a mockery of themselves that the masses stop caring, stop paying attention, stop blindly consuming and start digging, clawing, straining for something better. And eventually they’ll dig themselves down to the muddy roots and walk home with saved souls and dirty feet. Can I get an amen?
Carla
March 10, 2011 @ 4:05 pm
AMEN!
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 4:10 pm
Amen.
Selma Harlow
March 10, 2011 @ 2:53 pm
I’ve been waiting for this article for awhile. The day i saw the commercial for country strong I imagined this kind of post. nashville will probobly keep dishing “stars” out in a desperate attempt to make more money. I just dont know why people havent gotten the clue yet.. look at paris hilton and her attempt at a music career.. kim kardashian.. heidi montague… they all have failed and WILL fail just like gwyneth… no wonder i hear so many people say “country music.. i hate that shit” i dont blame people.. this is the shit they turn on the radio these days. I really dont have much more to say im sure my bitching doesent get me far.. at the end of the day gwenyth paltrow just got paid 900,000 grand.. im still broke.. and country music still sucks on the radio. WWHD? What would hank do?!
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 4:15 pm
I was going to write a review for “Country Strong”, but they yanked that filth out of the theaters before I could make it there.
I will say that Gwyneth Paltrow is an excellent actor. She should stick to it. But I think what Atlantic is banking on is that she will break the Jessica Simpson/Kim Kardashian/Paris Hilton mold with substance. They were ditz nookie girls, she’s an Oscar winner. I just don’t think the mainstream country music consumer will buy into her enough for it to be successful. This is a million dollar deal. That means you need a Top Five album and a couple of hit singles to make the money work. Her track record says she won’t.
cathy
March 10, 2011 @ 8:00 pm
“On today”™s “Rachael Ray Show”, GWYNETH PALTROW reveals the secret to playing an alcoholic in “Country Strong”. She says, “You just get really drunk all the time. Which is awesome!” She adds, “At least I did anyway. It”™s not very professional. There”™s a Bloody Mary at 10:00 A.M. and keep it going all day.”
http://khmx.radio.com/2011/01/07/hollywood-dirt-1711-gwyneth-paltrow-gets-drunk-ryan-takes-a-shot-at-simon/
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 8:35 pm
I wonder if they’ll induct her into the Grand Ole Opry even before the new album comes out. Trace Adkins can do the honors.
wayne
March 10, 2011 @ 3:03 pm
sucks…
Stephanie Schultze
March 10, 2011 @ 3:12 pm
I said it before, I will say it again, “What’s in the box? What’s in the box?” Where is Kevin Spacey when you need him?
Carla
March 10, 2011 @ 3:56 pm
Stephanie: GENIUS!
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 4:16 pm
Still don’t get the reference.
Carla
March 10, 2011 @ 4:45 pm
The movie Se7en, staring GP, Kevin Spacey and Brad Pitt. At the end Gwennie ends up with her severed head in a box.
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 5:15 pm
I saw that movie. Really liked it. I think I remember Gwyneth in it now, in the apartment by the subway that rattled, ah, now I’m remembering the head in the box.
Carla
March 10, 2011 @ 9:26 pm
Yeah, she played Brad Pitt’s wife. They got engaged in real life after that movie.
307
March 10, 2011 @ 4:27 pm
Haha
Carla
March 10, 2011 @ 3:55 pm
Go Gwennie! lmagine how many more pairs of $1,500 Stella McCartney boots she she buy with that $900,000? Weeeeeeeeeeeee!
I actually think this an emerging trend we are seeing: signing pop-culture actors to record labels. I guess the labels figure half their job is done as these actors already have an established fan base who are sure to buy any album these celebrities record. It’s been happening for a while now with lesser known actors such as Gossip Girl’s Leighton Meester and Taylor Momsen, Glee’s Matthew Morrison, and bigger names such as Scarlett Johanssen, Russell Crowe and Jared Leto. People who are established as ‘actors’ then move into music. I predict the record co’s will be lining up to sign up more actors and bidding wars will ensue! A final act of desperation perhaps?
What has triggered this line of thought for me was this: I was watching Portia de Rossi on Oprah the other day and she was talking about a book she’s just written about dealing with anorexia and bullemia. She was one of the main cast on Ally McBeal back in the early ’90s and all of the actresses became ‘scary skinny’ whilst working on the show. Portia said it was because it co-incided with the ‘supermodel’ craze dying out and cosmetic companies were instead offering ‘spokesmodel’ contracts to actresses. Thus they all felt the pressure to be ‘model skinny’ to conform to fashion’s unrealistic ideals. I actually remember this happening, seeing billboards and ads of all these beautiful actresses endorsing this stuff.
I think just as models were dumped for actresses in the 90’s, musicians are now being dumped for them in this new millennium.
As for Gwenyth being “tore up and irrelevant. It doesn”™t make sense from pop country”™s own perspective”. I hate to say it but I think it makes perfect sense. Seriously, check out Gwennie’s godawful site ‘goop’, it has a massive following of middle aged household shoppers (ie women), who are like disciples. They worship her. THAT will be her target market. Mark my words.
http://www.goop.com
As for the ‘Memphis pregnancy’ quip – I really don’t think anybody should be getting their knickers in a knot over ‘Glee’ humour. It is very dark and very sarcastic. One of the head writers is Ryan Murphy who used to write for Nip/Tuck. If you have seen that show you’ll understand his humour. That series was probably the most delightfully sick and twisted thing to ever make it to the small screen.
Lindsay Lohan’s mum wanted to sue the writers of Glee over a very funny quip Gwenyth made about her on the show:
http://www.gossipcop.com/dina-lohan-glee-gwyneth-paltrow-defamation-legal/
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 6:13 pm
This is what I don’t understand. Gwyneth Paltrow doesn’t need $900,000, or a music career. She is an Oscar-winning actress, not Oscar nominated. She is a leading lady. So why go do something she’s going to be mediocre and when she can be great at something else. Isn’t this just a rock n’ roll fantasy run amuck? Somebody needs to sit her down and tell her that she can’t sing.
I hadn’t thought of the housewife demographic, that may be a good point, but Taylor Swift and Lady Antebellum have made their hay with the housewives, obsessed with youth, wanting to hold on to their past, living vicariously through the teenage world.
And make no mistake cross marketing has a lot to do with this.
Stubblejumper
March 10, 2011 @ 7:57 pm
Cross marketing has everything to do with it.
If you took a talented, but relatively unknown artist (one of the three you listed, for example), and tried to break them into the mainstream, at the level these labels work at, it costs a huge amount of money.
If you sign Gwyneth Paltrow, you don’t have to put up nearly the money, as everybody’s already aware of who she is. People want familiarity – nobody likes to waste time or money on something they don’t like – so they immediately gravitate towards names they know.
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 9:04 pm
What about the $900,000? Up and coming artists gets no guaranteed money up front. Many times if their album flops they end up owing money.
I completely agree with what you’re saying, I know how the system works, or more aptly, doesn’t work. This mentality is one of the reasons the music industry is in the shape its in. Country music must develop talent. You can’t field a ball club with all top salary free agents. You need a draft. You need a farm system. Especially when your revenue has been slashed by 75% in the last ten years. Atlantic doesn’t have $900,000. They’re gonna borrow it from a bank and pray to God Gwyneth has a #1 song so they can pay it off and maybe make a little money to help pay on their other debts. And if she has a #11 song? They all take a bath in red ink.
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 9:09 pm
Forgot to say this in my last comment, but why the hell does she need to be on Glee anyway, participating in that bullshit donkey humor? She’s got a damn Academy Award. Have more respect for yourself. You don’t see Julia Roberts on Two and a Half Men sitting on whoopee cushions. Gwyneth Paltrow is diminishing herself by appearing on Glee spewing canned one-liners, and hanging out with Tim McGraw. She’s better than that.
Carla
March 10, 2011 @ 9:22 pm
I think Gwennie probably has more in common with her ‘goop’ fans (goobers?) these days than anyone realises. She’s doesn’t seem to do many movies so is probably just a bored housewife. She doesn’t need the money but is probably flattered beyond belief that somebody wants to give her 72 more pairs of Manolo Blahniks (ie $900,000).
Glee is one of those random surprise TV hits, that happen from time to time. It has a cast of unknowns, I don’t think anyone expected it to be so successful. Huge stars are queuing up to be on that show. Once again, I just suspect Gwennie got bored of sitting at home knitting and was flattered by an offer to appear on the show which is “hip and cool” and has a huge following.
Man who knows, maybe she took up the offer of the record contract to get on her husband’s tits? I’m can’t stand Coldplay however acknowledge they are proper “musicians”. I wonder what Chris Martin quietly thinks about it?
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 10:08 pm
Her husband has tits? 🙂
I think something got lost in the translation there, but if this is all about a bored housewife who doesn’t have the time to make movies, but wants to get out of the house a little for this and that, then when is she going to make this album, and is she going to be able to tour in support of it? That’s where all the money in music is now, in touring. Is she going to sleep in the back of a Prevost bus for six weeks straight during the Gwennie Gone Country tour? Probably not, so where does Atlantic recoup their investment?
Denise
March 11, 2011 @ 8:29 am
I’d imagine they are banking on a little golden statue and the next American Idol judge.
Andra
March 11, 2011 @ 8:40 am
Now, we are talking about a girl who’s father was a studio head, mother a lovely actress, niether as commercially successful as G. She went to school at Dalton in the upper east side of NYC. Won an Oscar. Im saying she has always been the succesful one. Now she can show up her husband, who is more succesful than her in the music industry. They are about to split anyway because she is having a hard time living in his shadow in london. Look now! No more shadow!! AND Trigger, you are sooooo right! Atlantic barely can afford the paper that check is written on, no less actually pay her that amount. I would love to see the writing on that contract. I don’t think they are gonna pay her anything near that in real life. It just makes them look uber sucessful, a PR dream!!!!! Nice fat writting so everyone thinks everything is ok in the music industry. Because if it was, they wouldn’t have to try so hard.
Carla
March 11, 2011 @ 4:56 pm
“Getting on someone’s tits” is to annoy someone. I was proposing maybe she took the record contract just to piss off the husband or some such nonsense. Who knows? I don’t think for a second Gwen will be touring to support her album in the traditional sense. I think she will do a few big city stadium type gigs, maybe supporting Tim McGraw or similar. I think she’ll be touted as a “special guest” or something. By the way, I couldn’t see that Estee Lauder fragrance ad earlier, I didn’t know she was a spokesmodel for them as well. Wow, she sure does get around doesn’t she?
Gillian
March 12, 2011 @ 9:17 am
She won’t tour for us but she’ll do the corporate circut. Private parties for Apple investors and the like.
It makes me sad. She’s been the Audrey of my generation to me. It’s tough to watch her style and grace get drowned in a bloody mary.
IceColdCountry
March 10, 2011 @ 5:35 pm
This doesn’t change the game one way or the other. How many times are we going to discuss the fact we know this is shitty music and not country music?
This is all that is going on in the world of SCM? Gwen and Trace? We know, you told us so.
Nathan38401
March 10, 2011 @ 6:58 pm
Agreed. Country radio has been dead to me for years. I care about what paltrow and adkins do exactley the same as i care about lady gaga’s meat dress. Does not interest me at all. Let them have country radio. It is a rotting format. Hell they dont even play Jamey Johnson because he is too country. When does being country disqualify you from being on country radio? Only when Nashville suits dont want country, they want pop. Switch from country radio to top 40 format and see if it sounds any different to you.
Anyway let her have pop country because I don’t want it.
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 7:27 pm
I didn’t mention radio at all in this article. In fact:
Nathan says:
“Let them have country radio. It is a rotting format.”
Triggerman said:
” The problem is, is that there are many problems with XXX. The main one, and the one that is the deal killer for me, is that this focuses on radio. Why do we give a shit if radio is playing this music or not? I mean yes, it would be great if the “too country” and “too rock” crowd got more radio play, but radio is a dying industry that is fighting massive contraction while hemorrhaging money. Why are we coveting what they have? Why would we moor ourselves to that sinking ship?”
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/this-new-shooter-jennings-xxx-genre
And I don’t want to hear crying about Jamey Johnson not getting any radio play. He gets radio play. Many other artists don’t. Does he deserve more? Yes, but do you care about radio or not? Jamey has won big awards, been given opportunities to perform at huge award shows. Could he have more exposure? Sure, but let’s keeps things in perspective.
Nathan38401
March 10, 2011 @ 8:22 pm
Trig, I also didnt mention XXX. I used Jamey Johnson only as an example as why I personally dont care about what pop country does. If Pop-Country (that is what i call country radio) can say that a mainstream artist is too country for their format, what is the reason to care about the powers that be and the decisions they make? Truly in my mind I think country radio should play country music. I only bring up radio when you didnt because at a $900,000 price tag I’m sure she will be placed on said format.
I am not saying you are wrong for posting this article. I do see its value. Again I think you do great work, and I am not criticizing you in anyway, shape and or form.
The Triggerman
March 11, 2011 @ 9:44 am
I wasn’t meaning to brig XXX up here. I just wanted to establish from a quote from myself from the past that we are both in total agreement about the significance of radio.
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 7:19 pm
Are you kidding me? Even if you think the game is lost, to say it doesn’t change the game is ridiculous. These big money record deals are supposed to be dead. That’s 9 $100,000 record deals that could have gone to more deserving artists, including the three I listed in this article and six more. This is a MASSIVE story into regards to the shape and direction of the music industry to come, and if it doesn’t interest you or you think it’s irrelevant, don’t read it.
And how many frikking times are you going to bust my nuts for the same goddamn thing? No, this is not everything going on in the SCM world. Lone Wolf is going on in the SCM World, SXSW is, and I’ve been reporting on that as well. Quit using your myopic reading approach to my site against me.
Nathan38401
March 10, 2011 @ 7:57 pm
Trig I appreciate what you do for the REAL music scene, but cant we just admit that this pop country fight was lost long before any of us, You, me and all of us ever voiced a concern. With all do respect, you have a very important throne, lets use youre voice and our ideas to promote what we like, and not get muddied by this pop-country b.s.
I see why you wrote this article, and I know that Im free to not read it, but I did anyway so those are my opinions on it.
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 8:56 pm
This issue has come up numerous times with IceCold, and I don’t know how to explain it any better. When I started this site, I made a vow that for every negative article about pop country I write, I must write at least two positive ones. The actual ratio is more like 1 negative for every 7 positive. It may seem like this is a focus right now, because there were two stories right after each other. That’s the news cycle that’s out of my control. For over a month before the last few articles, I wrote only 1 negative blog. Was anybody giving me credit for that? No.
Another example is last week I wrote 5 articles, none of them about pop country, This week I will write 8: 5 supporting the music, 3 about the pop country stuff. It’s not that music is not not being supported to write these articles, I just work harder.
And the funny thing is, as much as people clamor for album reviews, your average album review will get 1/3 of the traffic as this article will. Everybody wants them, but nobody reads them, even though they also take me twice as long to write. I still do it, because I think it’s important. And believe it or not, a simple link about Ruby Jane for example will actually create more traffic for her here than it will writing an exclusive article about her, guaranteed. Because an article like this will draw lots of outside traffic. Most of my core readers already know who she is. So I am actually promoting the music through this article as well.
We all agree what the focus should be. Recently my focus has been Lone Wolf, and promoting SXSW. But I also think that that this Gwyneth Paltrow story is interesting and germane to what I cover, and so I am going to cover it. Nobody is bogging down with anything. It is all about the music, always has been, always will be.
Nathan38401
March 10, 2011 @ 9:44 pm
Agreed brother. Keep fighting the good fight. Like I said before I am not antagonizing you in any way. I do read the album reviews, i just dont post on them. I am a new comer to the site. I dont know many of the artist that you guys take for granted as common knowledge. I enjoy soaking them in. I can say that I’m open to most anything musically but not this. Not her. Not anything that pop-country will promote as it’s next big thing. IceCold and I may agree on alot of things, but just know that I voice my opinion in a different way. Not saying he is wrong, but just dont lump us together as the same voice.
The Triggerman
March 10, 2011 @ 10:12 pm
Yeah Nathan, and I don’t mean to jump down your throat. I know you’re new here, I just get so tired of hearing that argument that it kind of twists me off, though I ma glad in other ways people are making it. I want people to disagree with me, I want people to question my motives and be critical of me, and criticize what I do like I criticize the artists. I think this makes for a healthy environment. I I want people who disagree with my musical taste and can back that up with good thoughts. I think you do that well, and I think IceCold can too, though sometimes he gets hung up on things.
Like I always say, the best thing that happens on this site happens in the comments sections.
That's right . . .Denise
March 10, 2011 @ 7:25 pm
Just like the limelight in Hollyweird, the limelight in Nashville burns bright for only so long then they all start to get bored. I’m bored too. With POP Country. The wonderful world of autotune is running on short attention spans. Gwyneth Paltrow is no different than all the singers going to Hollyweird. They can’t cut the mustard in Nashville so they turn to movies. Hell, if you can sing you should sure as shit be able to act right? And vice versa, right? She has already run the gamut of Oscar winner. The next stop is on stage with a microphone playing the part of a bonafide country singer who already has disrespected country folks with remarks about Tennessee. Watch this turn into a new Grand ole Opry member.
And why not? The Grand ole Opry is boring now too. Since they showed what they are really about. Let’s see: we got puppet porn and fixed award shows. We got Hollywood starlets and crossover singers. We got crooked music executives and double standards. We got TMZ and cologne ads. We got manufactured superstars who can’t hold a tune. We got highlighted hair and designer clothes. We got liars and cheats. We got lipsyching and payoffs. Yep. That about sums it up . . . Nashville has evolved into a fucking circus.
Nathan38401
March 10, 2011 @ 7:58 pm
Good thoughts. P.S. Like the new name.
Carla
March 10, 2011 @ 9:41 pm
I can’t see all of your new name Denise. I can only see ‘That’s right … Denise”. Let me guess, you’ve gone and changed your name to Denise Sheen? Well I am a little disgusted girl. You leave an articulate comment about Hollyweird and how much you deplore what is being spewed from it these days … then you run off and marry Charlie Sheen behind my back. Are you one of “The Goddesses”? SHAME ON YOU 😉
Nathan38401
March 10, 2011 @ 9:52 pm
That’s right . . .Denise is her new name.
Would’nt expect her to acknowledge us though. She has gone hollywood and forgotten about us by now.
That's right . . .Denise
March 11, 2011 @ 8:01 am
Now look here you two! Charlie would want me to speak my mind as he has enough on his plate at the moment. No, I’m not one of those “goddesses” !! Charlie has lost his ever lovin’ mind when it comes to that . . . That’s right.
Hollyweird can’t handle me. See, all these ideas floating in my head, all these creative manifestations and they cannot see the forest from the trees. I see the trees. I love the trees. I used to climb trees when I was little. Ever climb a tree Carla and Nathan? Ever just kick off your shoes and look up that bark lined mammoth and say . . . That’s right. I’m climbing you!!! Yeah. Well. hmmm. Hollyweird just doesn’t understand Charlie. But I understand him. What I can’t understand is Trashville and Hollyweird and goddesses and puppet porn. I just can’t get my mind around it. It makes me all heeby jeeby. And furthermore, what’s this about Bloody Mary’s Gwynie? Being an alcoholic is fun? I really really am starting to get upset now. If you really wanted to research your role, miss Country singer, you should spend some time in an AA meeting. See how fun it is then you crazy money grubber. I have lost all respect for you with that comment. I think some alcoholics should get a cut of that 900 K for pain and sufffering and such. Then we’ll see how badly you want to be a country singer when you’re broke and down on your luck.
Don’t even get me started, Hollyweird.
Signin’ off.
Denise
Carla
March 10, 2011 @ 9:50 pm
Ouch Pete. It sounds like you are having a very bad day indeed. I hope it gets better for you 🙂 I don’t know if Gwenyth is as immoral as you might think. Damn, I’m a woman and I wish I could rock a pair of big black nana-knickers and a pair of fishnets like that! I’m not a fan of hers at all, however as Trigger has pointed out the woman does have an Academy Award sitting in her dunny.
I do understand your frustration though. The amount of money she’s being paid is pretty obscene. I just keep on imagining what Triggerman could do with $900K. Seriously right? He could start a record label and sign all these amazing acts he champions. It gets even better as the next part of my fantasy is him employing me as his label’s publicity and promotions manager. Hint hint.
That's right . . .Denise
March 11, 2011 @ 8:16 am
Do you need a personal assistant Miss Carla? 😉
Carla
March 11, 2011 @ 5:03 pm
Well, seeing Charlie has now lost his job you probably will have to help out with the household expenses on the mansion Denise.
Pete Berwick
March 11, 2011 @ 8:41 am
Carla, truth is, when I see an “artist” posing as a whore, they lose any and all credibility with me. If I want to wank off I’ll grab my wife’s Frederick’s Of Hollywood catalog.
Nathan38401
March 11, 2011 @ 5:14 pm
Wow Pete. Was that comment even necessary? When a woman decides to look sexy, it is only because they know that men will bite. Whore is a strong word and should not be used for a woman unless there is proof that she actually sells her body for sex.
cathy
March 11, 2011 @ 5:30 pm
Nathan…..if you were my kid I’d wash yer mouth out for that statement….and have yer father kick yer ass.
Nathan38401
March 11, 2011 @ 5:46 pm
Cathy, you can not be serious. As a woman, you are offended by the fact I respect women? Not possible.
cathy
March 11, 2011 @ 6:16 pm
First of all I am ragging you as I assume you are fairly young. Your comment to Peter was right on and made me smile. You are not afraid to call someone out.
But….it really is not respecting women to make comments re: any woman for what they do with their bodies, selling, giving, trading, whatever.
“When a woman decides to look sexy, it is only because they know that men will bite.”
Some woman don’t have to “decide” to look sexy and some women get sexy for themselves….not all women are sexy to get a man to “bite”. That’s conniving.
and lastly…it’s not on topic. 🙂
Nathan38401
March 11, 2011 @ 6:42 pm
Cathy, I’m not all that young. 32. And if i took youre comment the wrong way, all apologies. Maybe I just dont get youre sense of humor yet.
Pete Berwick
March 12, 2011 @ 7:27 am
I used the word as my choice of word for a sellout. When I see someone using their tits and ass to promote their music, I can only assume the music is secondary and not worth the look. This pic sais one thing and one thing only. “Don’t ya wanna do me?” That to me is whorish.
CJ
March 11, 2011 @ 3:22 am
Why can’t she just go fully into pop, if she really must sing? She can do duets with artists like the CeeLo person, or Gaga or whoever.
The Triggerman
March 11, 2011 @ 9:51 am
She’s also said she wants to work with Jay-Z. I don’t think Gwyneth has any clue what country music even is. Every name that she’s said she wants to collaborate with has been outside the genre. We all know this music is going to have nothing to do with country. It’s the super-genre theory in action. Her music is not going to be rap, and she’s white, so you call it country.
TGIF Tiddy Bits!
March 11, 2011 @ 7:58 am
[…] If Jesus really loved me he’d make Paltrow go away. […]
That's right . . .Denise
March 11, 2011 @ 9:24 am
Jesus would most likely want corporate greed to go away, right? I mean, since you love Jesus, you’d have to know how he hates this kind of stuff.
Jeremiah 31:3
CT
March 11, 2011 @ 8:51 am
You could make a list two pages long of people who deserve this before here. In fact, you could make a list 10 pages long of people who deserve it more than the current poster children of country music.
The only way to get any attention as a singer/songwriter now is to get yourself on a damn reality show. That is disgusting.
There are so many amazingly talented people who could literally change music if one major label had the balls to let them do what they do.
Look at the talent on some of the smaller labels. And usually it isn’t the one big name on their roster. it is the 4 guys behind that one named artists who are kicking it in the ass ever day writing/performing killer shit.
There are at least 10 acts out there right now who would be overnight Zach Brown Band’s if given the support. Hell, I don’t even think anyone does A&R anymore, and if they are, they suck at it. A&R has been replaced by Simon Cowell and the other 900 reality bullshit shows.
Country music has gone to shit. They ought to have Soccer Mom Pop Country, and a REAL music/talent genre. Oh, wait, they do. It is called Americana. But no one listens to any of that ho-hum, blah, boring old FREAKING GREATNESS!
IceColdCountry
March 11, 2011 @ 9:36 am
I don’t support pop country, but I don’t support sensationalised journalism either.
Do you have confirmation she signed a $900K deal? Doesn’t sound like you do. Information off E news and re-posting is kind of weak.
Secondly, $900K. Is that really a huge deal? really? What are the specifics of the deal? Oh you don’t know, 1. there is no deal, yet, if ever and 2. you don’t know.
You put a picture up of Gwyneth that is obviously calculated. You got a guy like Pete who has no idea who she is, now with an opinion that is complete bullshit about her based off one photo you put up.
Is it news to you that Gwyneth maybe getting a record deal? Hmmm. She has been in a recent movie about country music, on the hottest show (glee) singing, and now a possible deal??? Shocker. The big record labels are in it to make money, not improve music. If she gets $900K, they will make that back easy even if she flops.
Your trying to lead a fight against the pop country machine, but I dare say you are picking the wrong front to fight on and not leading. Same old story about pop-country. Yeah, it sucks, they can’t sing, others deserve a shot. Now what? Wait for the next pop country disaster to come up?
And with respects to what you do, I am more confused as ever. XXX is a problem for you because radio doesn’t matter cause radio is dying? Then where are you trying to go with this fight? If radio is dying, who cares who is getting the deals to be on radio? Ruby Jane still records her music and we can find it other places. Do you want her on radio that is dying? Do you want these artists to win awards at the shows you make fun of? So what is the fight?
And you claiming to be trying to save country music and then blowing off Jamey Johnson because he gets “enough exposure” is a joke. More people know HankIII than Jamey Johnson I promise you that. There are many fighting behind the scenes, but he is fighting out front. And he is winning.
I read most all the articles you put up. I don’t comment on them all and I don’t always pick things apart. It doesn’t take much in your articles to find accusations/allegations/claims, etc. that are far fetched or simply inaccurate, yet you lead your readers down a road with it. But, its your site. It entertains me, and like you said, you welcome the critics.
Carla- “I just keep on imagining what Triggerman could do with $900K. Seriously right? He could start a record label and sign all these amazing acts he champions. It gets even better as the next part of my fantasy is him employing me as his label”™s publicity and promotions manager. Hint hint.”
What does it take to cut a good record? $50K? Maybe $100K? So Trigger is going to start a record label and sign a bunch of artists and cut records, market them, put them out on tour… all with this huge amount of $900K.
The Triggerman
March 11, 2011 @ 10:10 am
Jeez man.
I think it is pretty well established at this point that Gwyneth has signed to Atlantic records. Nobody is refuting that. It is also pretty well established that her deal is worth $900,000. Now how is that cut up, how many albums that is for, what are the provisions, if it is incentive laden or not, that is what we don’t know, but this in no way speculation. And re-posting of information is not in any way uncommon or unethical. People quote me are repost my stuff all the time. That’s how it works. In fact someone just reposted my stuff today, and you can follow the link above to see where.
I can’t speak for Pete, but you seem to love to take the one person making the extreme of an argument, and either A) attribute it to me B) make it seem like that is the majority view of the readers of this website. You have done this numerous times. The picture was not calculated, I used it because it was a fair use image I didn’t need permission to use, and it is from the same shoot as the picture of Gwyneth in a cowboy hat that I have used in her articles before. I don’t see anything “sensational” here. I do see lots of my heavy-handed opinions, but that’s what I do man. That’s who I am, and I make no apologies for that.
As for the XXX and radio stuff, I took that quote from the very first XXX article I wrote to establish that my views on radio have been consistent. Since then my take on XXX itself has changed, and I would assume that we can all appreciate this. But my views of radio haven’t. Yeah, I would NOT recommend to Ruby Jane that she covet radio, because it IS dying, and I honestly believe that. Can Ruby Jane and XXX use radio in the interim to get the word out, sure, why not? But my views have not changed on radio.
More people know Hank III than Jamey Johnson? Are you fucking kidding me? Really? Then I really need to stop arguing with you because you clearly don’t have your finger on the pulse whatsoever.
And as far as me starting record labels or whatever you’re implying there, those were just hypotheticals to prove a point. C’mon man, quit trying to find excuses to bust my balls at every turn, and try to contribute to the conversation.
The Triggerman
March 11, 2011 @ 7:18 pm
Pete, I wasn’t explaining myself to you, I was explaining myself to IceCold. He seems to think I posted it to be sensational. Honestly i just found the first public use photo I could of her and posted it. I can’t help if he has a propensity to hang out in body suits while people take her picture.
Pete Berwick
March 12, 2011 @ 7:34 am
I know you were explaining to him Triggerman, but from what I percieved of his rant, and he seems to have many, was that he was using my earlier rant to rail against you. It wasn’t my wish to have my post used that way. And for somone like him to call my opinion “bullshit” is pretty ballsy considering the trail of it he leaves all over your blogs. Always the ones who go around pissing and busting balls the most are the ones who remain anonymous. Tell me who you are icecold. Since you know it all why don’t you have a link so we can go read about all your achievements. Who are you? Hell, I have no idea.
IceColdCountry
March 13, 2011 @ 11:54 am
Pete, you want to know me so you can what? Why do people need to know who I am? Would that make the facts I state more factual?
Also, you may want to learn who Ms. Paltrow is(or any of the women you bash) before you say stuff like this:
I have absolutely no idea who this broad is and I have no interest in finding out. One look at her photo and it”™s over for me. I am so sick and tired and bored of these cunt woman like her and lady ga ga and madona before and all these gaping wholes using their tits and ass to become stars. When you write about these hacks here you are only giving them notoriety. Her picture tells her story. Another talentless hack whore slutting her way to fame using pornography as her means. Just stopped in for a taste, and now I think I”™ll go rinse my mouth out out and get back to the new Keith Richards bio I”™ve been reading.
And I hope this slut bitch reads this and sues me. I”™ll post a pic of me waving my raging hard on and thanking her for the publicity. Sorry if this offends anyone. I”™m just in one of those moods these days..Waylon ain”™t got shit on me these days far as “ornery & mean.”
Your classy. Waylon was ornery and mean for a song, he wasn’t a fucking asshole to women.
IceColdCountry
March 11, 2011 @ 10:33 am
I am not busting your balls.
Somebody drew an opinion based on a photo you put up of Gwyneth. That is their problem for drawing the wrong opinion, but how many fair play pictures are out there of Gwyneth that don’t have her in that pose? Who exactly is using images of women to get attention? Your smart enough to know why you used that photo.
Your sources on the deal are tabloids. Gwyneth’s reps have said no deal is done yet. But your off and running with it, to save country music, right?
More folks know HankIII than Jamey Johnson. You need to realize that. More might know the song “In Color” or “High Cost of Living”, but they don’t know who sings them, or they didn’t just a year ago.
You haven’t signed on to the XXX petition, which is your choice. But when it comes to leading, you stay on the fence about two major lighting rod topics. XXX and Jamey Johnson.
You have not indorsed nor divorced either, and I wonder why that is? Rather you beat the drum of pop country sucks, which no one will argue, and your “mono-genre” idea so you can say I told you so. How about taking a stand on tougher issues… do you support and sign on for XXX? Do you support and believe Jamey Johnson is the real deal?
The Triggerman
March 11, 2011 @ 1:58 pm
IceCold,
At this point it is established all across the news world that Gwyneth Paltrow has signed a deal with Atlantic, and that in one way or another $900,000 is involved. Yes, the news originated from tabloids, and that is why when I first reported the story, I mentioned that she was “planning” to sign a deal, because she confirmed that on the red carpet at the Oscars to non-tabloid news sources. Go back and read the article. I did not cite a tabloid in this article. I don’t think I need to site anyone because reporting that Gwyneth signed with Atlantic is being a master of the obvious, not a sensationalist.
I’m not going to rehash with you once again my feelings on Jamey Johnson or XXX, but it has nothing to do with “taking a stand”. It has to do with being a realist.
IceColdCountry
March 11, 2011 @ 2:17 pm
Your feeling on XXX and Jamey are vanilla. That is fine, but that is kind of weak given the level of the two topics to country music. Your write worth while reviews of albums, and spread the word on underground events/artists, and take shots at the easy to take shots at music industry, but when it comes to tough topics… no where to be found?
The Triggerman
March 11, 2011 @ 2:42 pm
What the hell are you talking about man?
Vanilla? Not willing to take a tough stance?
My stance on Jamey Johnson has not changed at all. I don’t think blindly saying he’s great when I don’t believe that or blindly saying he’s a pop country sellout when I don’t believe that either is being “vanilla”, it means being honest. Here’s my thoughts on Jamey Johnson, that have not changed:
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/to-the-jamey-johnson-lovers-haters
And XXX, I have said, twenty frikking times to you man, love the idea, hate the name, and understand why people do not like Shooter’s involvement.
Now you are busting my balls.
The Triggerman
March 11, 2011 @ 2:54 pm
Actually scrap all that. I hate Jamey Johnson. I think his music sucks and that he’s a sellout asshole. I also think he has a small penis and is a closet homosexual that has a cabal of Muslim terrorists living in his beard! BOOO BOOO Jamey Johnson!!!
Is that what you want from me? Well there you go. Quote me on that shit!
IceColdCountry
March 11, 2011 @ 3:08 pm
Your stance on Jamey hasn’t changed? Didn’t you call him Country’s Black Firend too? Didn’t you do an album review of his with little to know research on him but listening to the album first time through?
And you like the XXX idea but hate the name. “and understand why people do not like Shooter”™s involvement.” Do you like Shooter’s involvement?
Your hardcore on somethings, and that is great. But you tip toe on others things when they are edgy.
Carla
March 11, 2011 @ 5:23 pm
Hey Trigger, I just realised how I can demonstrate how “getting on ones tits” is used in everyday english: IcecoldCountry, you’re getting on my tits here 😉
I also feel the need to weigh in on this photo controversy. I personally don’t find Gwenyth attractive, she’s not my idea of beauty. However I think that photo of her at the top of the article is gorgeous. She looks absolutely beautiful and sorry, I don’t think it’s dirty/slutty. It’s definitely a sexy look for her, and I would anticipate this shoot was done by a high end fashion magazine, a Vogue or similar. The only other photo Trigger posted was the ad for the Lauder fragrance, once again she looks beautiful in that photo. Considering the tone of this article I actually think both photo choices were incredibly generous and respectful. Trigger could have chosen to put up a photo of her looking horrific, with no makeup, or some crappy paparazzi shot. I think he took the high road by chosing the photos he did. Just my opinion however as a woman I thought it might offer a different perspective. Hmmm, unless IceColdCountry is a chick? Icecold, can you please confirm your gender?
That's right . . .Denise
March 11, 2011 @ 2:01 pm
Whoever said Jamey Johnson was a lightening rod topic? It’s not a battle between Jamey and Hank III. Please. It’s not a battle between XXX and public radio. It’s a battle of good versus evil. Of right versus wrong. Of pop country versus real country.
Sorry but Jamey Johnson is a dime a dozen when it comes to Nashville. But Hank III ain’t. Why do you think Mike Curb about drowned in his salivating pockets? He wanted to cash in. Why do you think Jamey Johnson wrote(ahem) Badonka whatever? To cash in. Why do you think Hank III has FOUGHT the Nashville wheel? It wasn’t to cash in, my friend.
IceColdCountry
March 11, 2011 @ 2:13 pm
Denise, again, your points are pointless.
Lets break it down for fun:
Denise- “Whoever said Jamey Johnson was a lightening rod topic?”
He is a lighting rod. You mention him and there are replies both ways for days.
Denise- “It”™s not a battle between Jamey and Hank III. Please. It”™s not a battle between XXX and public radio.”
No it is not. That was never insinuated.
Denise- “It”™s a battle of good versus evil. Of right versus wrong. Of pop country versus real country.”
Good vs. evil, right vs. wrong? It is music dipshit, not good vs. evil or right and wrong. It is music.
Denise- “Sorry but Jamey Johnson is a dime a dozen when it comes to Nashville.”
Really, name the other dimes like him?
Denise- “But Hank III ain”™t. Why do you think Mike Curb about drowned in his salivating pockets? He wanted to cash in.” Record labels are around to make money.
Denise- “Why do you think Jamey Johnson wrote(ahem) Badonka whatever? To cash in.”
Or maybe if you knew anything about the song it was as a joke. Somebody picked it up and recorded it. Not his fault. And get over that song. You have had more than ample chances to support you dislike for Jamey Johnson, and this is all you keep coming back too.
Denise- “Why do you think Hank III has FOUGHT the Nashville wheel? It wasn”™t to cash in, my friend.”
Yea, and HankIII has really changed that wheel hasn’t he? Good job Hank. His passion lies with metal. Not country. He is great at country, but clearly not is passion.
I can’t believe you still write what you write.
IceColdCountry
March 11, 2011 @ 2:25 pm
Also, I like HankIII, but can one HankIII fan tell me exactly what he fought and beat down?
He had a contract with Curb. He did his obligation to that contract. What exactly did he fight? He signed the contract, and played it out. He has brought some concerns to the table, but … ? What has he really fought and won. He was stuck to do his contract with Curb.
and now we wait for the great “post Curb” era to save the world.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 8:41 am
…anyone?
Nathan38401
March 13, 2011 @ 12:24 pm
I think I hear crickets. Hank III has made some awesome music, But in the realm of saving country music he has no interest in stepping into it.
cathy
March 13, 2011 @ 12:34 pm
one of the “fights” Hank III took on was the venues who are ripping off the bands by taking a % of the merch money…..boycott them!!!
Dan
March 11, 2011 @ 12:59 pm
Add Nicki Bluhm to the Caitlin Rose, Rachel Brooke more deserving female singers to invest in list.
IceColdCountry
March 11, 2011 @ 2:01 pm
I think it is a bit extreme for us to look at the pop country industry/music and say that is ALL executives sell, ALL people buy, etc…
Many use blanket statements like that to blame American Idol or big labels ruined music, etc… But your fighting the fight from the wrong front.
I will take shit for this, but, did anyone see Kid Rock on CNN’s Peirs Morgan last night? Peirs asked him about American Idol and Steven Tyler doing the show. Asked him about Justin Beiber too. Kid explained that some people have approached him and ask him to do things like Idol that he doesn’t agree with. He said “people come up to me and are like ‘that show gets 30million viewers, how can you ignore it?’ I say to them, I am not great at math but there are 300M people in the country, I would rather speak to and try and reach the other 270M.”
When I heard that, I kind of thought about some of the talk I hear on here. Not EVERYONE watches Idol. Not EVERYONE that has success comes through Idol or reality shows. Not EVERYONE loves pop-country blondies. It is a small piece of the puzzle. Granted the piece that gets the media attention, but rather than focus on “the 30million” what about the 270M still out there?
The Kid interview was very good. If you have opinons on Kid, good or bad, I suggest catching the interview. He is as real, honest, patriotic, and unslefish as they get. You don’t have to like his music, but the way he does it, you gotta respect.
Why is he where he is on the music totem pole? He works his fucking ass off and doesn’t bitch about the 30 million that like other kinds of music. He tries to reach the other 270M.
Nathan38401
March 11, 2011 @ 2:21 pm
I got the chance to speak with Kid Rock at Tootsies in Nashville a few weeks back. No matter what anyone thinks of his music, I will tell you his is a great, good hearted guy. I think that is what shows through in his music.
Also Denise.
Jamey Johnson is not one of the dime a dozen acts in Nashville. He is the real deal if you are a fan of more traditional or outlaw country. He blends the two. From youre opinion of him, I can tell you have never heard an album, but only know that he has been played on the radio, and that hes not Hank III.
IceColdCountry
March 11, 2011 @ 2:30 pm
Oh she’s heard bodonkadonk, and she has heard the couple songs they play on the radio. I know they play Jamey on her precious KOOK 93.5.
The Triggerman
March 11, 2011 @ 2:46 pm
I don’t listen to Kid Rock because he’s a thief.
Proof:
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/kid-rock-accused-of-stealing-old-ladies-hats
Nathan38401
March 11, 2011 @ 2:58 pm
Trig, That post was funny as hell.
crook
March 11, 2011 @ 2:47 pm
Does Jamey Johnson support XXX? Does he know about it? Does XXX support him? just innocent questions, figured you might know.
Nathan38401
March 11, 2011 @ 2:56 pm
I dont want to bring XXX to this topic, This topic isnt about that at all.
But Shooter and Jamey have a relationship on some level, possible that Jamey might know about XXX. Dont know though.
But XXX isnt about Jamey at all. It is a tool focused more on bringing unheard but talented artist to more people.
IceColdCountry
March 11, 2011 @ 3:05 pm
I agree with Nathan. word for word.
crook
March 11, 2011 @ 3:09 pm
icecoldcountry brought up the two topics together, just wondered(honestly)if there was a connection as i aint an expert on either. seems the XXX website lists plenty of big time names though, perhaps as a gateway to the underground or “unheard but talented artists”, thought if there are so many out there who love and support JJ,as that is how it seems to me from personal experiences, he might fuction in a similar capacity for them.
cathy
March 13, 2011 @ 12:37 pm
Kid is where he is on the pole simply because he sucks….real bad.
Nikki
March 11, 2011 @ 3:45 pm
Wow. I haven’t been online much Trig due to the place I am now living has crappy internet service but who the hell is this IceCold character? If he wants to blog he needs to get his own venue and stay the hell off of yours! As for me, you know I prefer my cd’s and personal play lists to the radio. I will take suggestions of who to listen to and if I like them, I will keep listening. If I don’t, I won’t. I have been reading some of your articles on my breaks at work but by the time I’m done, I have no time to respond.
As for Gwenyth, since I don’t pay attention anymore to the ‘mainstream’ music scene, I could really care less if she goes country, R & B, Rap or to hell. I’ve liked some of her movies but I probably would have liked them if someone else was in the role too.
Jamey Johnson. Hmmm. No opinion. Haven’t listened to him and don’t really care to. I listen to a range of music from Hank III (of course) to Flogging Molly to Reverend Horton Heat to Jack Johnson. I also listen to Jazz, showtunes and I am a huge ABBA fan. I can’t listen to him if I don’t turn on the radio and I’m not a music critic so I can’t justify spending money on a cd to see if I enjoy his music. Yes, I know. I can probably hear it on the internet but once again, with all the scripts running on some pages my internet slows down and it gets frustrating with all the buffering.
There are a lot of people out there who support you Trig. I will keep reading and I will even comment a little more if I can.
As for IceCold. Stop stealing his forum and get your own. Or are you afraid no one will read it?
Nathan38401
March 11, 2011 @ 4:01 pm
IceCold is a good guy. He is not trying to steal Trig’s site. Trig has stated, and it should be obvious, that the posts are the best part of the site. We are allowed to post and give opinions. Different opinions don’t mean leave and start you own site. Debate from opposing points of view can be healthy.
Nikki
March 11, 2011 @ 4:12 pm
While that is true, so far what I have read of his posts (and after reading this one, I went looking for more) it is MY opinion that he isn’t really trying to debate so much as he is attempting to put down and devalue Trig’s opinions. He is rude to some of the other posters (Denise and Carla as an example) and comes across as egocentric and ‘my opinion matters most’. You can state your opinions without tearing down others and being rude. It’s called discretion.
Nikki
March 11, 2011 @ 4:19 pm
Nathan, I may seem a little protective of Trig, but I am not a newcomer to this site. I’ve been reading his blogs since I think 2007? Does that sound right Trig? We met up on Myspace and I was reading you then. Once you started up SCM, I have been here too. Not a lot of comments here from me lately but like I said, I live in the black hole of the internet world. Our access depends on the weather and how many people are on the damn thing. I got lucky today and I am using it while I can!
Nathan38401
March 11, 2011 @ 4:42 pm
Nikki
He does seem to wear the black hat, and i have defended denise when he went after her, but I do think that he has solid opinions. So I defend him just like I did her ( Neither one ever asked me too). Opinions and thoughts, right or wrong, are fair to type as long as you believe them.
cathy
March 11, 2011 @ 5:22 pm
@Nathan…
yer buddy IceCold is not contributing to “healthy” debate that you speak of when he sinks to personal attacks and name calling on another poster…..unprovoked I might add. Denise did not call names, they disagree and he snipes at her every chance he gets. The comments are very rude.
“It is music dipshit, not good vs. evil or right and wrong. It is music. ”
“Denise, again, your points are pointless.”
Sounds like a hater of people or women who have minds of their own….that’ my opinion of his behavior, and I’ve been watching for awhile. Condescending, bombastic comments denigrate the conversation and only show small mindedness in the end.
Nikki is exactly right….Denise is one of the original readers of SCM.
The SCM site notes: “occasional off-color pop country bashing”
Now SCM is set up so you see the title of the blog and you can also note the CATEGORY that it is placed in….there are 8 of them.
If the title or the category is not of your or IceCold’s liking, don’t friggin click it.
….simple as that.
A bully resorts to name calling and
Nathan38401
March 11, 2011 @ 5:39 pm
Now hold on cathy, I have not, as of yet, shown my ass on this site ( Keith and I had a thing, over and dead now). I choose to be nothing but respectful. And that will not change. I have the same rights to share my opinions as you do and I welcome and want to read yours. I dont agree with Ice Colds attacks, but I do understand his frustration. I choose to walk into the conversation and join, rather than dismiss others who disagree with me. That in this case would mean you and not Ice Cold. But with all do respect i’d rather continue this talk by talking about music instead of talking about us.
Nikki
March 11, 2011 @ 5:59 pm
I’m telling you Nathan, all of us who have been reading Trig through the last 4 years have very firm opinions on things. Cathy and her husband Wayne are awesome people! We are really very nice though. You haven’t offended me. I welcome opinions as long as they aren’t deliberately mean and rude.
As to music. If you haven’t already checked them out Bob Wayne, Scott Biram, Hillstomp, Those Poor Bastards, Reverend Horton Heat, .357 String Band, Joey Alcorn (and I’ll probably get shit for this one) Kyle Turley are definately worth listening to. I’ve seen most of them live (TPB 5 times, Bob Wayne 3 and Kyle turley 2). There are quite a few more but not off the top of my head. Cathy can give a lot more!
cathy
March 11, 2011 @ 6:31 pm
I totally agree you did not show your ass at all. However you did “agree” with IceCold up above when he was bitching about the topic of this blog and getting on Trigger for doing it. There’s more to SCM than XXX and Jamey Johnson…and by the way since we are bashing in this blog, Kid Rock sucks….always has, always will. 🙂
As I mentioned, pop country bashing has always been part of SCM…..from the beginning. Should it change because a few people don’t like it or don’t think it has anything to do with what SCM does? It all relates.
Nathan38401
March 11, 2011 @ 6:48 pm
I have bashed pop-country in this post. I hate the fact that radio tries to sell me country when there is no country involved. Just so you know where i stand, I do like Hank III (straight to hell was so good I bought 2 copies vinyl and cd), I do like Shooter, I like Jamey and the doubts I had on kid rock entering country left me when i spoke to him, So i’m with him also. What I want is real music, nothing more, nothing less.
DeaconBlues1103
March 11, 2011 @ 3:50 pm
How about including Eilen Jewell in with Ruby Jane, Rachel Brooke and Caitlin Rose? I think EJ could go into a recording booth with strep throat, sing the telephone book and STILL be 10 times better than any “country” artist today. ‘Nuff said.
PS – I’m checking out Nicki Bluhm that another reader tipped us off to.
The Triggerman
March 11, 2011 @ 4:36 pm
Thanks for the suggestion. I have heard some stuff from Eilen Jewell before but need to check her out more. The three names I listen were just ones that came to me on the top of my head, it’s no offense to Eilen or anyone else. There were probably 100 names I could have listed there, and I guess that was my underlying point.
Nathan38401
March 11, 2011 @ 4:48 pm
Just a suggestion Trig,
As i’ve stated before I’m a new comer and love soaking all the new to me names of artist in. Any chance for a post maybe about who we should check out and why? Just to give us noobs a place to start from. Im sure youre opinions will be debated by others, but that just means more names of artist to try and find.
The Triggerman
March 11, 2011 @ 7:26 pm
I used to just refer to my top friends on MySpace, but can’t do that anymore. I do try to do lists of artists for people to check out, but I will do it in creative ways, like what I am doing with my SXSW previews. I know most people will not be able to go to SXSW, but by pointing out who I will see, who’s playing, hopefully people will recognize the names, search around for more info, etc. There are so many artists right now and I am getting tugged into so many different directions that it is hard to know where to be. Lists can get political (as we found out with XXX) so I just try to stick to finding excuses to talk about bands and hope people catch on. Like with this article. One of my main points was to point out 3 beautiful women that I think deserve more attention.
catfish carrie
March 11, 2011 @ 6:23 pm
As I said on Facebook, no offense to people with learning disabilities, alcoholics, or primates, but I’m pretty sure a drunk, retarded chimp could make something more worthwhile.
cathy
March 11, 2011 @ 6:32 pm
whaaaa Carrie, where is my “like” button???
CJ
March 11, 2011 @ 8:12 pm
I’m afraid they’ll continue to give Gwynnie performance spots on the coming award shows, spots that should be given to more deserving artists who’ll surely benefit from performing on such shows. Ugh.
That's right . . .Denise
March 12, 2011 @ 12:43 am
Thanks to Nikki and Cathy, good people, but I really ain’t sweating IceCold. He targets me because I don’t care for Jamey Johnson or the name XXX. He targets me because he thinks I’m a dipshit. He targets me because I have opinions and must feel threatened by them and me. It’s kind of flattering . . . all this attention! Ha!
Someone like him who considers me a dipshit is really a compliment. He doesn’t realize that as he spouts off at his mouth about me and my opinions, all the while I STILL know what good music is and that’s the end of it. My opinon is mine and that’s the end of it. Proof is in the puddin’ Ice Cold.
He cannot start a blog of his own and have the caliber that Triggerman draws. He only comes here to defend his personal interests and spout off at the mouth. This is a blog IceCold and I’ll have my opinion, say what I want, think what I want and like what I want and owe you nothing. I do not have to defend my opinion. It is mine, belongs to me and I will continue to share it whether Ice cold likes it or not. Fuck with me, please.
Jamey Johnson is a dime a dozen. “Third for a word” says it all. I demand the writers of that song to come here and tell me where they got that idea. Who are the writiers of that song? The song that was a joke? You know so much about Jamey Johnson, Icecold, bring him here for an explaination. Him and his friends. Bring them and let them fight their own battle. I’ve had enough of the personal attack, IceCold. You want to lay it down let’s do it. I know what the evil is in the music industry, and you want to call me names?
The music industry is out to make money. Wow you’re so smart. Really? Didn’t have the first inkling of that notion. Are they out to misrepresent their clients? Are they out to allow creative control? Are they out for the best interests of their clients, i.e. Mike Curb and Shelton? Sounds evil to me. Wrong too. Yeah, say what you want about Hank III’s battle, but at least he did something. What is Jamey Johnson doing? The great white outlaw hero you adore? Has he even went through one injustice like Shelton has? Oh. He doesn’t get played like Taylor Swift? Oh. You don’t say? He can’t get airplay like Sugarland? Oh. Really? Welcome to the world of pop country. That doesn’t make him any different than Eric Church. Jason Aldean. Aaron Lewis.
Shooter is more outlaw than Jamey Johnson. Hank III is more outlaw than Shooter. That just burns your balls doesn’t it, IceCold?
Come on! Dipshit?! That the best you can do? Wanna dance Icecold? Cause I do. Get on those shit kickers cause it’s getting real fucking deep.
That said, I think POP Country really sucks and so does Jamey Johnson.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 8:41 am
Denise, I have wanted to dance with you for some time.
Do you know the difference between opinions and claims/accusations? Do you know the difference between opinions and facts?
“He targets me because I have opinions and must feel threatened by them and me. It”™s kind of flattering . . . all this attention! Ha! ”
No I don’t target you for your opinions. Show me one writing of mine where I have said your opinons is wrong or you should agree with me? Just one.
I target you and those like you that state things as fact, however have no proof. The questions/comments I make on here are 99% based on fact or challenging fact that someone else claims. There is a big difference between opinions and facts.
I have let my frustrations get the best of me and dropped some bad words, but when your dealing with folks that ignore facts, won’t address facts then sometimes I get frustrated.
I don’t care that you don’t care about Jamey Johnson or XXX or how big a HankIII fan you are. Those are your opinons. You have that right.
But when you say Jamey Johnson is a dime a dozen and you have proof??? Do tell. Did you know what the phrase “third for a word” meant before the blog was up on here a month ago? Do you know that it really doesn’t apply to Jamey Johnson? It doesn’t. You seem to think because an artists name is on a song, and that artist on a major label, they must have contributed only one word to the song to get the praise for it. Not true in Johnson’s case, so don’t make that CLAIM. If you made that claim as a real journalist, you would be sued and lose.
Please tell me what HankIII did with his battle with Curb besides bitch about it? He played out his contract, Curb won.
Jamey Johnson- trashed by his label from his first release, went and cut his own record with his own money. Put the record out through the internet on his own. And a major label picked it up. Sounds a lot like the work ethic of an artist you would support. That’s what Jamey did and continues to control his music with a major label. No buddy else is doing that.
Jamey has never claimed to be an outlaw, but he sure is making music in the mold of Waylon.
Because I make statements, and have facts to back it, doesn’t mean I am a Jamey Johnson whore. I can tell you facts about other artists too. Facts, not opinions. My opinion is I like Jamey Johnson based on the facts of him. I respect him, just as I respect HankIII for cutting his own road, but when I look at the Curb deal, I don’t try and pretend he won anything. He bitched, really loud.
And to others that want to know how long I have been on here, or who I am…that is encouraging. Generally when folks have no answer or facts to refute a chanllenging statement they will say one of two things…”fuck off” or “who are you?” I dont’ take it as encouraging for my ego, but that maybe you are thinking a bit outside the box of simply “everything outside this underground world is negative to our movement”.
What if I have been following SCM since day one? What if I do/did work in the music industry? Would that make the facts I express any more factual?
I am in this fight with you. I want to win as you do. But I am telling you, sometimes your fighting the wrong front with the wrong ideas.
There are 3 major topics on SCM that get attention:
Pop country, XXX, Jamey Johnson (who/what is he?)
Pop country is easy to agree on.
XXX is beyond a fest, small market label, or website. It is a boundary breaking (geographical, genre, radio and label boundaries) movement. It’s identified name is the son of the biggest ground breaker in the country music industry. That is a good thing. If you don’t like the name but believe in the idea… you gotta fight the right front. Not the name, but support the idea against the big machine.
Jamey Johnson, learn a bit about him and who/how he operates before you make the call on him because he wrote bodonk or because he grew his hair out or because he broke the code and has busted through. Again, your fighting the wrong front against him. Fight with him. Pretend his name is Hank4. He is doing it the way it should be done.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 8:53 am
Nathan, I appreciate the support and the challenges you provide to me and this movement.
I don’t want people to get on Nathan simply because he might agree with me and you dont’ like me. I don’t know Nathan, and as he said I have never asked him to defend me.
I am certain he is smarter than I when it comes to anything about music.
But Nathan is fighting the right front. Not because it is the same as me, but it is the right front. He has talked with artists such as Kid Rock, and when someone like Cathy says Kid sucks… why? You don’t like his music? fine. But Kid Rock doesn’t suck for the way he makes his music and the life he lives. Nathan would have a better basis for if Kid sucks or not.
Just open your minds people to facts. You don’t have change your belief system, but you can’t ignore facts just cause they dont’ work for you.
(also, in my above blog I spelt “nobody” No buddy. Jesus, I am bad at grammar but that is really awful. oops.)
cathy
March 12, 2011 @ 10:28 am
the first 8 seconds says it all…..my opinions of the Kid & “that shit they call pop country music” are all expressed within…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdi2KpDCI24
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 10:49 am
I enjoy this song. I can enjoy it and still enjoy and respect Kid Rock.
So your response to me citing some facts and challenging others ideas is “not everybody likes us.” That will help the fight.
When “Not Everybody Likes Us” came out, Hank was speaking to the notion, in that one line, that some folks thought Kid Rock was Hank Jr.’s son. Kid didn’t start that, nor ever claim it, neither did Hank Jr. It was some dumb rumor, and if you thought that, you didn’t do your research and as III says “god damn your fucking dumb.”
I don’t think HankIII or Kid have ever met or talked. So I am not going to try and guess as to what HankIII thinks of Kid, except he knows where he is from.
Cathy, you appear to think Kid Rock sucks, because HankIII said his name in this song? Do you not like Shooter either because there was the idea that HankIII and Shooter had a fued. So, Shooter gets on your shitlist for what is conjured up.
Kid Rock, and again, I am a Hank III fan, but Kid has had a similar road as III musically. You might not like Kid’s music, but what he does, his talent, is similar to III. Scary similar. It is just nice that III has a name to use. Again, you don’t have like Kid or III. But don’t make up “facts”.
cathy
March 12, 2011 @ 11:07 am
I’d say this is where the rumor come from….it made me ill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MLTsTrQ_4Q
I mostly don’t like watching Kid……..yuck.
As far as Shooter goes, I don’t like his music at all, however other people do and I don’t care or try to change their minds. I think that picture of him that Trigger used makes him look goofy as hell.
My thoughts on him are not related to anything re: Hank III.
I do like any project that helps artists get their work out there in addition to touring, and if Shooter heads it up that don’t bother me. I’m not an artist either. That being said, I don’t like the label “XXX” and twice heard reference made to trying to attract the younger generations. I work w/teens everyday I say it’s wrong to directly market to them using “XXX” as a curiosity tool.
Nathan38401
March 13, 2011 @ 12:48 pm
Cathy In that video link you posted, go back and listen to kids voice. It is golden.
On all his albums he puts something in the liner notes.
“If it Looks Good, You’ll See It.
If It Sounds Good, You’ll Hear It
If It’s Marketed Right, You’ll Buy It
But… If It’s Real, You’ll Feel It”
I think that to me is a motto of how I judge music.
cathy
March 12, 2011 @ 11:24 am
mmm…..III & Kid have “talked”
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
crook
March 12, 2011 @ 11:37 am
icecoldcountry, with regards to “i dont think Hank III or Kid have ever met or talked” Hank III and Hank Jr. have had a well documented rocky relationship. Hank Jr. and Kid Rock recorded together a couple times in the early 00’s. According to Hank III as was read in an interview back in the day Kid Rock came to a Hank III show,came onto Hank III’s bus and said something like he should have more respect for his father and he’s a living legend etc. please dont call me out on not having word for word transcription, this is old shit we’re talkin bout here. i wasnt on the bus, i dont know what was said, this is just speakin to the statement of those two not having met. as to hank III and Kid Rock bein of similar talent, fuck man, to each his own i guess. i dont hear anything remotely comparable. remember that III is a fantastic drummer in some of his metal projects as well as bein a country legend to many. they might be similar in your opinion but you dont qualify your statement as bein opinion, ie.” to me they are similar” ,you put it out there as truth, similar to what you consistently call others out on.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 11:45 am
Your are right, I do recall that story about the bus. Not going to say it isn’t true, so they have met. That type of conversation would lead me to not like a guy either. I don’t think Kid should be getting the way of the relationship III and Jr. have.
Have you ever seen Kid lay it down on every instrument he has on stage in a live show? Very good stuff. Very good. Hank III is very good as well. I truely think they could go toe to toe. My opinion. I don’t know that ever could be fact, but you can’t discount Kid’s talent. Christ, he was a white kid in Detroit making rap music. That takes some balls and talent to survive that, and in my opinion, a lot more than rolling the dice in country music with a name of Hank Williams.
crook
March 12, 2011 @ 12:13 pm
ive seen you and others make that arguement about Hank III before, bout how he only signed the deal to pay child support and otherwise he woulda played punk and metal his whole life, that that’s where his passion is. the record deal portion is true enough, well known, but the rest is speculation at best. i personally dont think that you can sing country like he does, like he did on disc 2 of STH for example, in my opinion the most country recordings in my lifetime(33 years), and not have tremendous passion for it. as for ridin the name type allegations, i strongly disagree. i think he has established his own musical path in such a way as to honor the family. i’d listen to him if his name was Jamey Johnson and he sounded like he sounds cuz he appeals to my personal taste. i also think coattail accusations will keep him from doin somethings, like recording an album of Hank Williams songs. i understand why but think its too bad cuz i’d listen to that nonstop. watch him on youtube on the marty stuart show, fuckin unreal.
IceColdCountry
March 13, 2011 @ 12:02 pm
no doubt Hank III can hammer out the country music. I agree, there is no one better in my life time when he does do country. And it is an opinion, but I think his passion is with metal. Perhaps it is living witht he shadow of the Williams name he wants to carve out something in another genre, which is fine, but with his name and talent, if country was is passion, he could do a lot more than he has. But maybe he will now free of Curb.
I don’t know that you could argue if his name wasn’t “Hank Williams” he would have had the opportunity to sign that record deal to pay for what he had to handle. Not all are that lucky. Maybe that is why some have to do somethings they would rather not, to get that deal because they don’t have a name to walk in with.
Doesn’t excuse people for “selling out” but you can’t just ignore it.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 11:04 am
This ain’t a dime a dozen…and not everybody likes this either, but he is laying it down and trying to make a difference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBFmlZhGhEY
cathy
March 12, 2011 @ 11:17 am
To be fair and honest….I watched & listened with headphones on. Jamey Johnson just doesn’t do anything for me. My thoughts are that Jamey Johnson is like the “vanilla” you got on Trigger about….really that is the best way for me to describe. To me, he’s not bad but he’s not good. I would never purchase it or want to go to a show….even if I had a backstage pass.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 11:20 am
See Denise, this is an opinion that Cathy has given.
Cathy, I have no problem at all with your feelings. Not everyone is for everyone.
Kid isn’t great to look at, and Jamey isn’t exactly either. Your opinion. I will never rip an opinion.
That's right . . .Denise
March 12, 2011 @ 12:09 pm
I watched to 1:29 and what you think is vanilla Cathy, I describe as mashed potatoes with no salt.
Weren’t you the one Ice Cold who said I was a joke? Something about offering a blowjob to Jamey Johnson and he turned me down? Correct me if I’m wrong. Where’s your facts with that?
Where’s your facts that I’m a dipshit?
OPINIONS are protected by the First Amendment. It is my opinion Jamey Johnson is a mediocre singer. I know he sold out in regards to Honkey Bolonkey and that is my heartfelt opinion.
Now. You offered the best live video link for Jamey Johnson and it was subpar. Fact. I do give him cred for participating in Farm Aid though. God Bless the farmers.
The Triggerman
March 12, 2011 @ 1:15 pm
You ripped me for giving that same opinion though IceCold, calling me “vanilla.” Unwilling to take a hard stand. HA!
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 4:42 pm
Carla doesn’t hold herself out as a leader in the fight to save country music.
Carla didn’t write blogs about Jamey being the real deal or a patsy. Country’s black friend.
You have had plenty of exposure to Johnson since those articles, and given the tone you took in those, you should be able to answer those questions now.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 4:46 pm
Denise, i said you were a joke when you claimed to have some dirt on Jamey Johnson being a sellout, so I asked what it was and you replied with a bogus website.
I have no idea about you blowing Jamey, sorry if it didn’t work out.
You can think he is a mediocre singer, but you don’t just end it there. You have held yourself out as having some behind the scenes facts, that you don’t. You have opinons, that is all, that is fine. When you go beyond that is the problem.
Nathan38401
March 13, 2011 @ 1:04 pm
I was in an 18,000 seat arena where Jamey did this live. From a baptist upbringing, and the life i have led since, no chance in hell I’ll ever walk back into a church, But my god it felt good to see the entire crowd as far as I could see on their feet and singing so loud you could not even hear Jamey or the band. Cathy I wish you could have been there.
Nathan38401
March 13, 2011 @ 1:30 pm
I only bring that up as a point that music should make you feel something. Laugh, cry, get pissed off, Whatever. If you are only into music music to pick a side, you are missing out on alot. So why even bother if you are so jaded and one sided. Sometime people outgrow love of music. It happens.
cathy
March 13, 2011 @ 1:53 pm
Nathan, thank you for the kind thought but I would not go to a show in a stadium setting anymore. Last time was The Eagles and probably Aerosmith in early 1990’s in Trashville.
My music heroes these days live on the road, working bars mostly. They believe in what they are doing…..it’s not someone putting it all together for them in a stadium setting…It’s up close and personal. Heck I’ve seen Bob Wayne burn cds inside the venue….works out of his car, lives in his car, with the Outlaw Carnies. That’s hardcore….and that’s what I like and have respect for.
IceColdCountry
March 13, 2011 @ 2:11 pm
Cathy, clearly you know little about Jamey.
1. FarmAid isn’t exactly an arena show, but draws so many it has to be in a huge stadium.
2. Besides the tour with Kid Rock, Jamey plays small venues. Bars, county fairs….still. He lives on the road. tour bus sure, but still the road.
I just saw him in a 300 capacity bar in Minneapolis. He was nearly late for the gig because he was across town before it watching Merle and Kristofferson put on a show at a casino. He is fan too. Doesn’t get much more real than that.
3. Jamey has no one “setting up” his shows. The band and he know the first and last song they are going to do. Everything between is random as the show develops.
So, you can have your opinions, but your missing a damn good artist develop right before us.
cathy
March 13, 2011 @ 2:19 pm
IceCold….you are correct I do not know much about JJ because he is mediocre to me so I am not interested. But since you’ve informed me that he toured with the Kid, he now has a negative strike against him.
IceColdCountry
March 13, 2011 @ 2:28 pm
so if you don’t know anything about Jamey Johnson, why would you insinuate that he does big pre-produced arena shows? That he doesn’t believe in what he is doing?
Nathan38401
March 13, 2011 @ 2:54 pm
@ Cathy
Jamey Johnson is the real deal when it comes to country. He is far more country than any artist I’ve learned of on this site. And believe me I’ve tried to find and hear as much as I can.
I thought the motto hear was “Saving Country Music”. Hell that phrase is even the name of the site. Why in the hell would you not support JJ for what he is doing and the music he makes? Oh yea, you’re mind is closed and you refuse to hear anything he has done. He is not Hank III. This site started out as a Hank III fan site. Trig moved on for the cause. Why cant you?
cathy
March 13, 2011 @ 2:54 pm
because Nathan said, “I was in an 18,000 seat arena where Jamey did this live.”
Nathan38401
March 13, 2011 @ 2:56 pm
Cathy
He was the opening act. Why fault the man for taking the opportunity to be heard and making some money for doing so?
Nikki
March 13, 2011 @ 3:01 pm
So Nathan, are you now implying that if we don’t support Jamey Johnson we don’t support the saving country music cause? Are you serious? We have the right to like who we want to. And yes, I did lump myself into that comment with Cathy because I feel the same way she does. We both prefer the smaller venues and we like who we like. There are some bands I prefer that she doesn’t and I’m sure there are some she likes that I don’t but that doesn’t mean she doesn’t support country music.
IceCold, question for you, Nathan too since he seems to be trying to become you. Does your precious JJ stick around after a show to sign autographs, talk to fans and take pictures with them until the last fan leaves? Just askin.
Nathan38401
March 13, 2011 @ 3:11 pm
@ Nikki
By youre definition of a artist you would have to abandon them when they gain any fame. No Jamey cant sign for everyone when he opens in big arenas. Impossible to do that. One thing I was impressed with that night was in the beer lines there were military people who all had their picture taken with him before the show and were showing them off. I didnt meet him but all that I spoke to that did had the same comment. “The guy is cool as hell”.
cathy
March 13, 2011 @ 3:12 pm
@ Nathan
“Support” is going to live shows, spreading the word on the social network sites, purchasing the music and merch, turning your friends on to it, or whatever else a person is willing to do to support their favorite artists. I would not spend $1 to see or hear or meet JJ, so therefore I do not “support” him.
We drive hundreds of miles for shows of our favorites, spend our money on the music and the merch. I’ve had a few all access passes for Hank III shows but we always purchase tickets too. I support what I like, not what anyone here thinks I need to support “for the cause”. That is bullshit.
Yes this site started as a Hank III fan site. As far as your comment, “Trig moved on for the cause. Why cant you?”
“Trig” really should speak for himself on this one. I, on the other hand, am a die hard Hank III fan and I am loyal….loyalty does not include people who “move on” as you suggest.
Nikki
March 13, 2011 @ 3:32 pm
No, Nathan. I would still be a fan even they played big venues. I do not like large crowds and do not go to large concerts because of that. I have supported III by a 2 week long tour of 5 of his shows starting in Arizona, two in California, then home to Washington state and finishing up in Idaho. Last year my husband and I drove 5 hours to a III show and 3 days later another 1 1/2 hours for another one. I went to a show in Richland,WA when there was a blizzard to see Bob Wayne. His band couldn’t make it across the pass so he stood on stage for 4 hours singing with just his guitar so he wouldn’t disappoint those of us who showed up. It was amazing. I do like bands that play in big arenas. I just don’t go to those. I will search for the smaller venues and go. That is my preference and there is nothing wrong with it.
The Triggerman
March 13, 2011 @ 3:34 pm
I did not “move on” from the Free Hank III cause. We fought for Hank III to be free of Curb Records, and for Curb to release his music in a timely manner. And we won. That fight is over, and I moved on. But I still love Hank III’s music, I still look forward to what he has coming up in the future, and if need be, I will fight for him again. In fact Curb is still doing some weird things, but I have specifically not brought up that cause because his people have asked me not to do so.
But this isn’t about Hank III, this is about the principle that every artist should not be handcuffed by their label. I fought for Clay Walker, Leanne Rimes, and even Tim McGraw on that exact same principle. Hell, I fought for Toby Keith when The Rolling Stone printed a bunch of lies about him.
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/toby-keith-vs-keith-kristofferson-or-not
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/curb-imitates-art-with-incessant-greatest-hits-releases
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/clay-walker-clashes-with-curb-records
The thing that IceBob and Nathan need to appreciate is that we’re spinning our tires with Jamey Johnson to the point where it is an embarrassment to me. People are not wanting to participate in comments on Saving Country Music any more, because all they think it is a big Jamey Johnson flamewar, and many times they are right. Let’s agree to disagree, and move on.
PLEASE.
Nathan38401
March 13, 2011 @ 3:38 pm
You dont have to move on from youre Hank III support. I already told you I am a Fan also. But there is more out there.
And to Nikki’s comment earlier that I did not address. I am Not trying to Be IceCold. By the fact you said that means you didnt even bother to read all the comments on these post. True I do agree with most of his ideas. I have on this post and a few others said that he could do it a different way. But look at the discussion he has brought on, by attacking denise, she became one of the best commentors on these pages.
Right now looking in, it seems like he and denise are the best posters on these topics. Different point of views also, which makes it even better.
IceColdCountry
March 13, 2011 @ 3:53 pm
I didn’t realize this site started as a Hank III fan site. That explains A LOT.
For Nikki- I have been to 3 Jamey shows. Met him twice. Very nice guy, a bit shy and reserved which might come off as abrasive to some, but I he is just a very gaurded guy. Took photos with him and got a signature.
Although I don’t judge an artist on whether they stick around to sign stuff and meet people, because there can be a huge variety of reasons that one might not.
It is interesting all the questions that some of you have trying to justiy that Jamey is a joke or not worthy of being in the same conversation as underground artists and they all are dead ends.
Anyone realized that he grew up just minutes from Hank Sr.’s birthplace and was heavily influenced by Hank from day one. Obviously is influenced by Waylon.
I think most of you that say he is a joke or a dime a dozen are jealous that he broke through and Hank III is still wondering around somewhere between metal and country.
And I love how now Nathan is trying to be like me simply because he has an open mind and made an effort to learn about artists before judging them. Like that is a bad thing.
I have also been to Hank III and Bob Wayne shows. Hank is something to see when he does the country stuff, Bob I can pass on. But the first time I saw Jamey it was a lesson in country music. 3hours of non-stop music. non-stop. he didn’t say hi or bye. He played, period. (did the same at the other two shows as well)
IceColdCountry
March 13, 2011 @ 3:59 pm
Trigger, I got no problem agreeing to disagree on an artist like Jamey. But when people flat out make stuff up about him that is where things need to be cleared up. If I said something about Hank III that was cleary a fabrication or not valid, you would and a shit load of others would speak up.
When people post inaccurate information about an artist, any artist, but in this case Jamey Johnson, where are you to call them out and say they are wrong. That woudl be leadership and germane to your cause of saving country music. Whether you like him or not. Otherwise this is just a tabloid site.
Nikki
March 13, 2011 @ 4:07 pm
IceCold, I have repeatedly stated throughout all of this that you are welcome to your opinions. Just as everyone is welcome to their opinions. You like Jamey Johnson. Big deal. I like a lot of things but I don’t put other people down if they don’t like them too. I like watching musicals from the 60’s and 70’s. My husband doesn’t but I still love him. I love Christmas movies and music and will haul them out in October. People roll their eyes and laugh but I really don’t care. Why is it so important for you to get everyone to give Jamey Johnson a chance? I am forced to listen to the radio sometimes at work because the other girls in the office turn it on. I ignore it as much as possible. I will admit to enjoying the Zac Brown Band. There are a few songs on the so-called country music station that are ok. I don’t consider them country. They are closer to the pop genre which I do not care for. I may have heard some of Jamey Johnson and not realized it. I may have even thought that it wasn’t half bad. Frankly, you guys trying to shove him down my throat is making me stubborn enough now that I won’t listen to him. It back fired on you. This has been like the church people who knock on your door and no matter how many times you tell them you are not interested, they won’t shut up until you slam the door! Then they still leave pamphlets in your mailbox! Stop pushing so hard. Let his talent speak for itself. To someone else now because you guys have made me sick of even hearing his name.
IceColdCountry
March 13, 2011 @ 4:14 pm
ummmm. Your the ones asking questions and making claims about him. So should we just let that go?
Hank III has never experienced much heartache/heartbreak in his life so him singing about it is a joke. He does a bunch of drugs and is a jerk unless you agree with everything about him.
… just let that go.
cathy
March 13, 2011 @ 4:14 pm
thank you Nikki….well said….I don’t do Christmas decorations/music.
This discussion went from Gwyneth to Jamie….at least the category of the blog fit both. 🙂
Denise
March 13, 2011 @ 4:44 pm
VERY well said and articulate Nikki. It distresses to see that some might not want to comment becasue of IceCold and such. This is a comment blog and as such, EVERYONE should feel free to comment. The thing I guess I don’t get is the double standard hypocrisy/reverse pscyhology stance IceCold takes. One minute he says everyone is entitled to their opinion and the next he says that we have no facts for our opinion. Opinions don’t have facts. They are a conclusion.
There’s many ways to come to a conclusion. Usually it is from the environment in which you are raised and continue to be involved in and the experiences you encounter.. My opinion after doing my own searching is that the live shows, small venues, more personal experience is way better. Of course that is a whole ‘nother ball of yarn.
I can pretty much say though that I admire to a degree the tenacity. Jamey Johnson should give em free tickets to his shows.
Gillian
March 12, 2011 @ 10:31 am
I’m coming into this post way late but I can’t keep my mouth shut. I can’t remember if I found this blog pre or post myspace, but it’s been that long. I stand firmly with Denise and Cathy and Nikki and Carla and the like.
Saying things like “Curb won” make me wonder if the newbies are label interns in charge of “social media”.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 10:39 am
explain to me how Curb didn’t win that battle? Since I have given my view and why I think they did win.
cathy
March 12, 2011 @ 10:45 am
dang what a thought…..makes sense though
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 10:56 am
haha. Challenging some thoughts/ideas/claims made in this group and you get accused of being part of the big machine. Really? you rip my comment and simply say “he might be working for the big labels.” Come on man, you gotta do more than just name calling and baseless accusations.
Gillian
March 12, 2011 @ 11:16 am
Right after I hit post comment I realised it was a cheap shot. I just can’t believe we read the same articles. We see things so differently, I have to wonder why you’re here.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 11:28 am
Because we sees things different….you wonder why I am here? why shouldn’t I be here? I don’t wonder why you are here because we see things different.
Gillian
March 12, 2011 @ 11:30 am
That’s not what I mean. I don’t get why you think this is worth your time if all you do is argue about it.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 11:52 am
I do this I guess, because if someone first comes to this site, like when I did, you get excited about what is being talked about and promoted. Then, you start to see some accusations and allegations being made that simply are not true. Now, if you don’t take the time to look into things, or someone doesn’t speak up and set somethings straight, someone may form an opinion based on bull shit.
I don’t want someone reading stuff on hear about artists I enjoy, and taking it as fact, if it is not.
I am trying to help the fight to save country music too, and some of the artists poeple don’t like or believe in or know about, doesn’t mean they aren’t helping country music. This “click” that gets going on here is exactly why some of the underground stays underground. More closed minded than the labels they hate.
Nikki
March 12, 2011 @ 11:22 am
IceCold:
“Come on man, you gotta do more than just name calling and baseless accusations.” Really? I believe in an earlier post to Denise, you are the one who resorted to name calling. You do have the right to your opinions. You do NOT have the right to put other people down for theirs. That is the major problem I have with your posts. Whether you believe they are facts or not it does not change the fact that we are also entitled to our opinions. Our opinions may or may not be based in printed fact but they are still valid opinions regardless. Fact: I have listened to and did not care for Kid Rock long before I was introduced to Hank III (notice the space between Hank and III). Fact: I stopped listening to the radio long before I knew about Hank III. That is why I started reading Trig’s blogs. So I could be introduced to music that is not recycled by mediocre ‘artists’. Fact: I do not need to and will not ever resort to name calling to try to make my opinions sound better than anyone else’s. Yes, I did state that your posts come off as being written by someone egocentric with an ‘I’m right, you’re wrong’ attitude. That is my opinion as to how your posts are written. Whether or not that is how you really are does not matter if that is how they come across. My own daughter has stated opinions on Facebook that came across as mean-spirited and I took her to task for it.
You believe your opinions are based on facts. If you are trying to convince people of these facts, present some evidence with them. Honestly, no matter what facts you produce I will still have my personal opinions based on my experience. You can quote facts all day long. That isn’t going to make me a Kid Rock, Jamey Johnson or Shooter fan. I have listened to Shooter. My oldest daughter loves him. She also loves The Black Eyed Peas but that doesn’t mean I need to like them. You listen to whatever you want to and we will listen to who we want to.
Seriously though, it is Hank III, not HankIII. That is driving me nuts and probably prejudiced me against you from the beginning. Grammar, people. Please.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 11:39 am
Nikki, I admit the name calling was frustration and was a mistake.
Opinions are fine. But some on here pass of things as fact or claims as true. Thus, they might influence someones opinion. Why is it wrong for me to challenge someones “facts”? Or present facts that are accurate? I don’t expect to change anyones opinion, but I do expect people to know about some facts.
I am not tyring to be right or wrong… facts are facts. They aren’t meant to make you a fan or not. They are simply facts.
I know that those on here that speak about Kid Rock and Jamey Johnson and Shooter in a negative light, can have that opinion, but when you say it is because of….”they sold out” or “they suck” or “they are only in it for the money” …. that tells me that they dont’ know the first, second or third thing about any of those people. They haven’t bothered to learn anything about them, yet those that make those comments hold themself out as such conisours of country music.
You can not like my posts, that’s fine, but I am yet to run into someone that has disproven some facts I have stated, or given me a straight answer when I challenge their “facts”.
You said, “You believe your opinions are based on facts. If you are trying to convince people of these facts, present some evidence with them.” I do, some people don’t care to acknowledge the facts. I can’t help them with that.
Nikki
March 13, 2011 @ 3:08 pm
So far I have seen no evidence of your facts. Where are you getting your information? Maybe it’s the intellectual part of me (I would be a lifetime college student taking any and every class I could if I could afford it) but I like facts given to me with supporting documentation so I can follow up on it and research it myself. Every fact you have given here has been with a ‘trust me on this, you don’t need to know where I got the info from’. That doesn’t work for me.
Pete Berwick
March 12, 2011 @ 10:44 am
Want to add to this, also..Tammy Wynette came to Nashville at a time in the sixties when the good old boy chauvinist casting couch law and order was high in play. She stood up to all that and fought it down. She was a true pioneer. Country isn’t winning American Idol and selling a gazillion records with no dues paid. I don’t care how good Carre Underwood sings or how big an erection I get looking at someone slutting around in fishnets. If you haven’t lived the life, the pain, the hurt..if you don’t know what it’s like to sleep in your car and live on beans and fought abuse and perservered through the trials and storms to sing about it, then you aren’t and never will be country, no matter how good you can stay in pitch or how many records you sell. The great country artists of way back in the day were the true punk rockers, in that this was all they knew. They weren’t selling image or trying to sell a million records. Hell, that was unheard of back in the day. If a country artist sold 10,000 albums they were thrilled. They were who they were and they lived the life. Who is really living the life anymore? Upload some songs and wait for fame. Get some high paid publicist and overnight your on all the glossies and the media is dictating to you that this is what you should be liking.
cathy
March 12, 2011 @ 10:49 am
ahhh….it’s the “fishnets”
That's right . . .Denise
March 12, 2011 @ 11:19 am
Cathy you made me smile!
That is so on point Pete it is scary. What these pop country singers don’t get, you nailed to a T. I look halfway decent. With auto tune I would sound pretty good. Give me a publicist, some fancey duds and the opportunity and I just might give them a run for their money.
But I ain’t sellin’ out.
That's right . . .Denise
March 12, 2011 @ 11:12 am
Pete, I’m glad to see you’re a lover of biographies too! I will definitely check out Tammy’s. She has an amazing story to tell.
Thankyou for the insight!
That's right . . .Denise
March 12, 2011 @ 11:06 am
Sure does Cathy and Gillian. Things might be adding up.
IceCold as far as your CLAIM that Curb records won the battle, yes, Shelton fulfilled his contract. Curb Records will never win the WAR and who’s side you on anyway?
I wish those mother fletchers would try to sue me. It would make my day.
And I get it about the fight. I’ve been getting it for a long time. My CLAIMS, OPINIONS and FACTS will all come out in the END. I don’t give a flyin’ fajita about Jamey Johnson’s battle when you have a bonafide country legacy fighting for creative rights and somone like you so quickly chalks that up to a loss. Where’s your facts on that one? Where’s your fact that Hank III isn’t gonna make you eat those words?
I heard NO SLEEP BLUES today on KOOK. That voice! It’s pure country gold. NO other like it ‘cept his granddaddy. Have you signed the petition for Reinstating Hank IceCold? If not, why not?
Hope you like to dance, sweetheart.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 11:15 am
Let me lead the dance dear.
IceCold as far as your CLAIM that Curb records won the battle, yes, Shelton fulfilled his contract. Curb Records will never win the WAR and who”™s side you on anyway?
I am fighting for an artist like HankIII. He may win the war, but you were claiming victory against Curb. Not so.
And I get it about the fight. I”™ve been getting it for a long time. My CLAIMS, OPINIONS and FACTS will all come out in the END. Your opinions might come out in the end and they are fine as they are right now, but facts don’t change over time. New facts are created, but those that are here today, will be here tomorrow. So when you state something as fact today, and it is wrong, it will be wrong tomorrow.
I don”™t give a flyin”™ fajita about Jamey Johnson”™s battle when you have a bonafide country legacy fighting for creative rights and somone like you so quickly chalks that up to a loss.
HankIII has made some strides, but you can’t discount what Jamey Johnson has done as well. You may not know what he has done because you care not to research it, but you can’t discount it as not happening or say he is like all the others in Nashville. Simply not true, today or tomorrow, or in the end.
Where”™s your facts on that one? Where”™s your fact that Hank III isn”™t gonna make you eat those words? What words am I going to eat? I hope HankIII makes a difference. I may have my opinion changed his passion lies in metal, but for now, that opinion isn’t changing.
I heard NO SLEEP BLUES today on KOOK. That voice! It”™s pure country gold. NO other like it ”˜cept his granddaddy. Have you signed the petition for Reinstating Hank IceCold? If not, why not? Yes I have. Many years ago.
That's right . . .Denise
March 12, 2011 @ 11:29 am
Turn the record over, please.
Ok. I am so pleased you signed the petition! Has Jamey? What about Shooter? Hank III’s fight is not over, just his contract. Mike Curb lost because anyone who has a shred of decency in their body and know’s the details and the journey of the battle knows that Shelton was right, Curb was wrong and Shelton walked away with his dignity and THAT is a battle won.
Don’t step on real country’s toes IceCold.
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 11:57 am
I don’t know if Jamey or Shooter have signed the petition. Wouldn’t matter to me if they did or didn’t. I believe in the cause, so I signed it.
Hank III may have walked away with his dignity, but he also was the one that signed the contract. It was a mistake and a mess. But don’t act like Hank III turned the country big label world upside down. He filled out a shitty contract. Now he has a new start. Lets see what he does with it. At the same time, I am not going to wait, hoping. There are others that are taking up the fight. Hank III can join back up when he is ready.
cathy
March 12, 2011 @ 12:03 pm
“Hank III can join back up when he is ready.”
IceCold….first of all that is silly.
Secondly you are assuming he quit something…..that is not a “fact” is it?
That's right . . .Denise
March 12, 2011 @ 12:20 pm
You should care if they signed it. How are you going to uphold their fight against Nashville if they don’t support the fact that Hank Williams was wronged so many years ago? You can’t see that that is an important element to the issue of saving country music?
Wow. That makes me confused. Jamey Johnson wants to fight the record labels but it doesn’t matter to you if he supports Hank Williams getting reinstated? Wasn’t that I Saw the Light up there he was signing?
IceColdCountry
March 12, 2011 @ 4:40 pm
Denise, if you want to search the petition names of “Johnson” be my guest.
I feel that through interviews and actions of guys like Jamey Johnson and Shooter that I know where they stand on their respect for Hank Williams.
Has Merle or Willie signed it? Has Tim McGraw signed it? Does it make a difference to you if they did?
That's right . . .Denise
March 13, 2011 @ 12:53 am
You know what Icecold, it does make a difference to me. I think anyone who has a love for music should sign it . . . I think people should protest the Opry, boycott it, demand it. It’s wrong and goes with the line of thinking that wrong is wrong and doing the right thing is one step closer to winning the country music fight against good and evil.
I don’t think the Opry should profit from someone who they fired. I don’t think they have that right. So yes. All musicians, singers, songwriters, Americans . . .
President Obama should sign it. If you knew anything about me, yo’d already know how I feel about it. I’ve been vocal about it before.
IceColdCountry
March 13, 2011 @ 12:08 pm
So have Merle and Willie signed it? Kris Kristofferson? Scott Biram?
Please tell, we are dancing honey.
Denise
March 13, 2011 @ 5:35 pm
Don’t try to butter me up now, darlin’. My shoes ain’t on too tight. I’ll be seein’ Willie soon. Reckon I’ll ask him.
cathy
March 12, 2011 @ 12:32 pm
“…Hank Williams was wronged so many years ago”
True….and is bad enough but I am pissed because it continues to this day by the disrespectful Opry.
Denise
March 13, 2011 @ 5:38 pm
Ain’t that the truth Miss Cathy.
Andra
March 12, 2011 @ 4:43 pm
Just real quick, back to the subject at hand. Did anybody else see that it was stated “Ms. Paltrow has signed no contract with Atlantic or any other label” it’s just all smoke and mirrors. I heard Farmageddon turned her down also!
The Triggerman
March 12, 2011 @ 6:55 pm
Thank you Andra.
Though I don’t know that it is all smoke and mirrors. I’d say where there’s smoke there’s fire. The $900,000 number has been a bit of a PR headache for the Gwyneth camp, and so they are doing what they can to refute it all. I think eventually we’ll hear something official about Gwyneth signing to a label, likely that label will be Atlantic, and no specific dollar numbers will be disclosed, which is the norm.
Here is a really good story from Billboard on how a $900,000 record deal would break down. I think it illustrates why Camp Paltrow would have no choice but refute it, whether it’s true or not.
http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/record-labels/how-would-a-900-000-gwyneth-paltrow-record-1005069222.story
CJ
March 12, 2011 @ 8:32 pm
I’m no expert in the music business, but isn’t a $900,000-record deal a bit too much? Based on that Billboard article the album better hit it big, at least gold, before record company can break even. Ms. Paltrow better be churning out hit after hit for this to happen. I think her single from that darn movie soundtrack which started all this hoopla did not fare well in the charts, so just what is their basis for coming up with this big-time record deal?
Ice Cold Carla
March 12, 2011 @ 8:38 pm
Interesting.
Steve G
March 12, 2011 @ 6:28 pm
This all nothing, my mum refused to listen to kenny chesney because he’s too country
Nathan38401
March 13, 2011 @ 3:45 pm
Pete please give it a rest. You say IceCold targets women, thats were I stopped reading. Sir please revisit a comment you made on this post and reread his. You target women, call them whores, he has not.
Chromepony
March 13, 2011 @ 4:13 pm
This just sucks! Here in Kansas City the scene is absolutely overflowing with female talent! Abigail Henderson of Atlantic Fadeout, Lauren Krum of The Grisly Hand, Elaine McMillain of Brannock Device…and many others are strong, vocally talented, songwriting machines. They blow up small stages nightly here. They do receive good exposure thru our local media, but all deserve a much larger stage to perform from. Meanwhile talentless hacks like Taylor Swift are selling out 80, 000 seat venues like Arrowhead Stadium here this summer. I could puke!
Nathan38401
March 13, 2011 @ 4:42 pm
@ trig
I can see Icecolds point and I’m suprised you cant.
If you wanna change the name of the site back to freeing Hank III or whatever it was called before, fine. The debate would be different. The close minded drones on this site could just preach to the chior. But the title is “SAVING COUNTRY MUSIC”. Lets just be honest here. are we advancing country music or holding it back until III catches up?
Denise
March 13, 2011 @ 4:55 pm
Nathan
I see your slant and it’s understandable what you are thinking. It’s not called Saving Jamey Johnson either. He is the only artist you and IceCold are up in arms over. I have come here for awhile now and believe me . . . The Triggerman is doing what it takes to uphold the fight.
Taking digs on Hank III ain’t the way you should be going.
IceColdCountry
March 13, 2011 @ 4:58 pm
It isn’t called Saving Jamey Johnson, but isn’t there some degree of integrity to uphold when people say things about any artist that is not true or lacks any proof because the people making the statement don’t know what they are speaking on.
Nathan38401
March 13, 2011 @ 5:05 pm
@Denise
I am not taking a shot at Shelton at all. Right now i’m listening to the vinyl of straight to hell. Sounds like he is in the room, cd was retired awhile ago. You seem to be one of the more open minded people here. All I’m asking is are we really saving country music here or are we simply holding it back but untill III decides whether he wants it or not..
While we wait there is more
IceColdCountry
March 13, 2011 @ 4:55 pm
via Pete’s first post….”Triggerman, I didn”™t even read the article. I have absolutely no idea who this broad is and I have no interest in finding out. One look at her photo and it”™s over for me. I am so sick and tired and bored of these cunt woman like her and lady ga ga and madona before and all these gaping wholes using their tits and ass to become stars. When you write about these hacks here you are only giving them notoriety. Her picture tells her story. Another talentless hack whore slutting her way to fame using pornography as her means. Just stopped in for a taste, and now I think I”™ll go rinse my mouth out out and get back to the new Keith Richards bio I”™ve been reading.
And I hope this slut bitch reads this and sues me. I”™ll post a pic of me waving my raging hard on and thanking her for the publicity. Sorry if this offends anyone. I”™m just in one of those moods these days..Waylon ain”™t got shit on me these days far as “ornery & mean.” ”
…asshole to women.
My guess is with this perspective, your not only ornery & mean, but also lonesome.
why would I give any contact info. to a nut like you that posts something like the above based on a photo.
The Triggerman
March 13, 2011 @ 5:37 pm
I just had to close a comments section on an article for the first time ever, AND I AM FUCKING PISSED OFF ABOUT IT!!! How fucking DARE y’all make me do this!!!
Y’all have made me have to be like a damn babysitter instead of doing what I want to do, which is write articles and support the music.
Nathan,
“If you wanna change the name of the site back to freeing Hank III or whatever it was called before, fine. The debate would be different. The close minded drones on this site could just preach to the chior. But the title is “SAVING COUNTRY MUSIC”. Lets just be honest here. are we advancing country music or holding it back until III catches up?”
What the fuck does any of this even fucking mean? I’ve written two articles about Hank III in the last 5 months. TWO ARTICLES! I’ve got dozens of Hank III fans that swear they’ll never read this site again because I’m a traitor and a Hank III hater.
As for the “closed-minded drones” who are you talking about? I have 1,500 people read this site each day, and I can only think of five you are referring to. The rest have stayed the fuck away, not only from this fight, but from this article and this website because it is an embarrassment to be a part of such a ridiculously stupid generic internet flamewar of no fucking outside consequence.
Icebob, I blame you for all of this. I have had some major eruptions in my comment sections before, but you have taken it to another level, and have created an unhealthy environment. If you’re going to take one article out of 10 about pop country, and say that all this website is, is “tabloid”, THEN GET THE FUCK OFF OF MY WEBSITE, NEVER COME BACK, AND NEVER LET THE WORDS “SAVING COUNTRY MUSIC” COME OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
I have ruined my life to keep this site going, and if you can’t understand the principles and themes from which I work from, I don’t want you on here! FUCK OFF!!