Country Fans Aren’t Unwitting Pawns (a Response to Ketch Secor & NYT)

It goes without saying that at this moment in history, everyone in America is incensed and sickened by the level of gun violence plaguing society, and specifically the prevalence of mass shootings, and especially school shootings. At the least, we all should be able to agree that there is a problem. But because many of the solutions veer into the domain of politics, they also veer into the domain of the irrational, and the polarizing. That is the ultimate problem.
In an opinion piece posted on April 5th in The New York Times (and later underscored in a feature on CNN on April 13th), fiddler and front person of the old-time string band Old Crow Medicine Show, Ketch Secor, took to the pages of America’s “Paper of Record” to lobby for country music artists to speak out on the issue of guns in America, and persuade the electorate towards more restrictions on gun ownership, including the banning of what Ketch characterizes as military-style assault weapons.
In the piece titled “Country Music Can Lead America Out of Its Obsession With Guns,” Ketch Secor says, “Nashville is called the Athens of the South because it is teeming with scholars at its many colleges—and by country singers who are tired of bending to the whims of fearmongers and who are ready to speak from their platforms to an impressionable audience.”
He also goes on to say, “…in times as dire as these, silence is complicity. It’s time for country music makers to use their platforms to speak candidly to their conservative audiences. Our outrage needs to move from the green room to center stage.”
What’s completely understandable from Ketch Secor is his motivation to do something, anything about this issue, beyond simply participating in discussions among groups of like-minded people, or the performative posts on social media that do little and seem so fleeting as mass shootings come and pass. His attempt at leadership on this issue should be commended. And as a parent, the shooting on March 27th at the Covenant School in Nashville hit Ketch Secor especially close to home.
Speaking on attending and performing at a vigil a couple of days after the shooting, Secor says, “Earlier that day at Episcopal School, both of my kids had experienced their first active shooter-training drill. My daughter complained to me that she’d gotten an unlucky position at the desk her teacher instructed them to crawl behind. ‘If there had been a shooter, I probably would have gotten shot,’ she said with a nervous laugh.”
You can’t blame anyone for exploring pragmatic solutions on how to solve the gun violence problem. The problem with Ketch Secor’s solution is that it is calling upon a long-held postulate that country music is somehow in a unique position to be a vehicle to enact political change due to the population it appeals to. But not only has this theory proven time and time again to be false, these efforts are more commonly counter-productive due to the wild misconceptions about both country music, and its fans.
First and foremost, lumping the responsibility for either addressing or curtailing mass shootings in America on a genre of music—or even worse, to claim a genre is somehow responsible or culpable for these tragedies—is a rather deleterious and irresponsible enterprise. It’s similar to blaming video games for mass shootings, which has been disproven in multiple studies. By titling the op/ed “Country Music Can Lead America Out of Its Obsession With Guns,” and later saying that “silence is complicity,” there is an active effort to implicate country music in these tragic events by implying that the genre is in a position of power to do something about them that it just isn’t.
Sure, cultural institutions like country music can perhaps help influence the mindset of the American population overall in certain respects. But country music cannot pass laws. Country music is not populated by politicians in positions of power. Country music is not in a position to enforce laws that are already on the books—including some that have been flaunted or broken in the perpetuation of mass shootings with the responsible parties in law enforcement yet to be held accountable. And perhaps most importantly, country music isn’t responsible for the lobbying that keeps not just guns laws, but other laws and public policy preferred by the majority of the American population from moving forward.
Some may say, “Sure. But the idea here is that if country artists speak out on these matters through their platforms and songs, it can change the mindset of the population, who will then call upon their elected leaders to pass legislation.”
The problem with this idea is there is a long and documented history of this not being the case, and for very specific reasons. When Natalie Maines of The [Dixie] Chicks said she was ashamed that President George W. Bush was from Texas on March 10th, 2003 in relation to the Iraq War, the country trio was blacklisted en masse and some country fans even burned their records. Even today when it’s patently obvious that the [Dixie] Chicks were on the right side of the issue since no weapons of mass destruction were found and even President Trump and pundits like Tucker Carlson have come out against the Iraq War now, there is still bad blood with some country fans.
A smaller, but more recent example was the mischaracterization of Eric Church on the cover of Rolling Stone, where they portrayed the country singer as “loving Bernie Sanders” and being “opposed to the NRA” when in truth the views Church shared in the article itself were much more nuanced and right-leaning. Still to this day whenever you mention Eric Church, comments sections fill up with angry country fans not just calling out at Eric Church, but whatever outlet is reporting on him because he’s an “anti-gun leftist.”
An even more recent example was the 2023 CMT Awards, which included Kelsea Ballerini opening up the awards with a call for action against gun violence. Though the media and individuals in elitist circles praised the CMT Awards and Kelsea Ballerini’s speech specifically, actual country music fans so overwhelmingly rejected the presentation overall-–and for a host of reasons both politically-motivated and music-related—the actual real-life results landed somewhere between inconsequential, or as is commonly the case, counter-productive by inciting country fans to be even more affirmed in their political beliefs, and even more distrusting of institutions such as CMT for politicizing what they believe is an inherently non-political space.
People’s political feelings are populated over their lifetimes, ingrained during their upbringings, inferred by their own life experiences, and though sometimes fluid to some extent, are not subject to the whims of pop culture. Time and time again, country fans have proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they will divest their fandom from an artist who gets preachy with them about a political topic well before they’ll ever question, let alone change their perspectives on a political matter at the behest of a pop star.
It is not only beyond hubris to believe people will forfeit their long-held beliefs because their favorite country artist tells them to, it is demeaning to act like country fans are nothing more than unwitting pawns in a political game that can be compelled to change their strips because it behooves someone’s political ideology. The beliefs of country fans are what they are, and if you want to convince them of something different, you have to put in the hard work of breaking down decades of ingrained belief systems. The idea “country music” has the power to enact an overnight or even multi-year reformation of the rural electorate in America is patent fantasy.
What this effort does do, however, is it unnecessarily politicizes an otherwise non-political space. That is not to say that country music hasn’t been political in the past, whether it’s Toby Keith “Courtesy of the Red, White, and Blue (The Angry American)” or Johnny Paycheck’s “Take This Job and Shove It,” or Loretta Lynn’s “The Pill.” But even these instances are commonly misunderstood. When Toby Keith cut “The Angry American,” he was a registered Democrat. Though the same political pundits that believe you can reshape American politics through country music also love to cite Loretta Lynn’s “The Pill” as an example of country music getting political, they rarely or never cite Loretta Lynn’s staunch support of President Trump.
This is another problem with the idea of activating “country music” as an agent for political change. Ketch Secor says in his New York Times op/ed, “In my experience, country stars tend toward centrism. The right-wing groups we most often encounter are not our bandmates but our audiences.” But when you hear country artist John Rich talk about the matter, he says that most country artists tend to lean right, and are just as afraid to speak out as people on the left because even though country fans may lean right, country media and its institutions have become so co-opted by the left, they will work to cancel performers if they speak out, which we have seen happen in multiple cases.
In September of 2022, John Rich said, “So, these artists are sitting there and they’re being told by their publicist, their managers, the heads of their record labels, ‘Hey, we know that you think these things about America, that you’re against kind of all this woke stuff that we do’—they don’t call themselves ‘woke,’ of course. But we know that you’re not really for that. But hey, don’t even think about putting out a post that pushes against that. Don’t you say, X, Y, Z on your microphone or on your stage. No, you cannot record that song because it says this.’ And they just completely control these artists.”
An example is what we saw with Jason Aldean and his wife Brittany Aldean when they came out against vaccine requirements for children, and gender surgery for youth. Ironically, Jason Aldean had been on record previously saying that he avoided politics as a matter of course. But after his wife faced public backlash from sharing her political beliefs, Jason Aldean has become even more politically active, affirming that if you compel country artists to speak out politically, you may not get the outcome you were hoping for. They may even come out against what you were hoping they would speak about.
As Ketch Secor and others are claiming that country artists want to speak out on these matters but are worried of the repercussions from the industry and fans, John Rich is saying the same thing, just from the opposite perspective. So what is the truth of the matter? In some respects, both are right, because many country fans regardless of their political stripes do not want to hear country artists speak out about politically-polarizing subjects at all. They listen to country music to get away from these kinds of polarizing matters, to decompress and unwind, and they resent anyone who disrespects the institution of country music by trying to politicize it, even if they ironically (and often, hypocritically) are more open to it when it comes from a value system they believe in, and usually conservatism.
Again, it’s noble and understandable that Ketch Secor, Kelsea Ballerini, and others want to do “something.” They do this from a deep and sincere heart sickness at what is happening with gun violence in the United States that we all share. The problem is they are buying into an elitist ideology being perpetrated by academia and activist journalists who have been drilled on this idea that the way to change the American electorate from Red to Blue is to embed themselves into the country music community, and use its artists and institutions like a bullhorn to then spread their political ideologies. But again, it’s not working, it never has, and it never will.
This ideology is flawed on many levels. It’s worth underscoring that country music is not a monolith like the press and academia love to portray it as—stereotyping country music and its fans in a way that is insulting to the genre’s omnivorous and complex nature. “Country music” cannot act as one, whether it is for gun control, or any other initiative. As we’ve seen from political polling since this idea of using country music to reshape the electorate has been enacted, red areas of the United States are only trending more red (and blue more blue). The result of individuals from elitist society deciding to put country music in their crosshairs and/or embed themselves in country media has been ineffective.
This also brings up another rabid misunderstanding about country fans, country music, and the American South in general. In Ketch Secor’s New York Times op/ed, he forwards the idea that “country music” (as a monolith) and the American South has an outsized responsibility for the glorification of guns and violence in the United States.
“They say we love our guns down South, and it’s true they are part of the pageantry of our beloved southland, in tune with the equally nostalgic heartstrings we pull for mother, God, freedom and country,” Ketch Secor says. “Country music plays a central role in forming the South’s gun mythology, from songs like “Big Iron” to “A Country Boy Can Survive.” Seven nights a week in Nashville, you can hear any number of country upstarts remind the tourists in the honky-tonk bars on Lower Broad that Johnny Cash shot a man in Reno ‘just to watch him die.'”
Is there an element of gun culture embedded in country music? There is to a certain extent. But this doesn’t make country music any more responsible for gun violence than 1st person shooter video games. Again, this is an effort to implicate country music as being either okay, or somewhat culpable, or outright responsible for gun violence in an unfair and fear-mongering way. But this also begs the question, are the number of references to guns and violence in country anywhere near the level of those in hip-hop, for example? Absolutely not. The references to guns and murder in hip-hop might be 20 to 1 compared to country. Furthermore, there are no recent instances of country artists shooting others, shooting each other, or being shot. There were eight hip-hop artists murdered in 2022 alone.
Beyond that, is rural America actually listening to mainstream country music? Only elitist perspectives who’ve never spent any significant time in rural areas would draw that conclusion. When you actually venture out to rural America, you will find they’re not listening to mainstream country music, with some exceptions of course. Mainstream country is music for the American suburbs, which if anything, trend purple in the political landscape. Rural America is listening to hip-hop. Hip-hop is by far and away the most dominant and most popular style of music in America across the board, especially in rural America, and specifically in the American South.
To the extent anyone is listening to country music in rural America, it is often classic country, or independent country, and this is not the domain Ketch Secor and others are hoping to reach with their calls for action in “country music.” They want Morgan Wallen and Luke Combs to be the ones speaking out on these issues to reach the masses. But again, if these individuals calling for action actually knew what these major mainstream country stars actually believe about gun control, they would be begging for their silence, not demanding they speak out.
One of the fatal flaws of Ketch Secor’s rationale is not just that he boils down the issue upon political lines. He also does it upon religious, geographic, and racial lines, making opposition to gun laws segmented among certain people. “If conservative Christian gun enthusiasts need a calling to lay down assault rifles after the tragedy at Covenant School, they need look no further than Isaiah 2:3-4, the Scriptures’ peace crusader passage, in which swords are beaten to plowshares and spears to pruning hooks,” Secor says.
But it’s not the Christian values of conservatives that are keeping them from seeing the purpose of greater gun restrictions. It’s the American values of individuals worried what a tyrannical government is capable of if they give up their right to bear arms, which is something shared by urban, liberal, Black, and agnostic citizens too, and even hip-hop artists and activist leaders such as Killer Mike of Run The Jewels.
Killer Mike faced criticism in March of 2018 for appearing on NRA TV defending Black gun ownership in America. He later spoke about the situation, country music, country’s fake incorporation of hip-hop, and gun ownership in American with Joe Rogan in January of 2019.
“As an African American, I’ve only been free 55 years. My parents were born in apartheid. And as an American, we are a country that broke off from what we felt like was the tyranny of a monarchy. And we did that because farmers and guns dared to wage guerilla warfare against what at that time was one of the largest armies and navies in the world. So I honor that by continuing to be in the spirit of those farmers, in the continuance of Crispus Attucks, the first person to die in the American Revolution [who] was a Black man. For me, I would dishonor those patriots who started this country, and Crispus Attucks, and I would dishonor my lineage as an Africa American who’s only 55 years into freedom by giving government my gun back. It’s just not something I believe in.”
You can see the full interview excerpt below:
The roots of modern gun control in the United States can be traced back to the attempted subjugation of the left-leaning Black Panther party in California, who used the 2nd Amendment to help take back their urban communities from racist policing practices. According to history.com:
Throughout the late 1960s, the militant black nationalist group used their understanding of the finer details of California’s gun laws to underscore their political statements about the subjugation of African-Americans. In 1967, 30 members of the Black Panthers protested on the steps of the California statehouse armed with .357 Magnums, 12-gauge shotguns and .45-caliber pistols and announced, “The time has come for black people to arm themselves.”
The display so frightened politicians—including California governor Ronald Reagan—that it helped to pass the Mulford Act, a state bill prohibiting the open carry of loaded firearms, along with an addendum prohibiting loaded firearms in the state Capitol. The 1967 bill took California down the path to having some of the strictest gun laws in America and helped jumpstart a surge of national gun control restrictions.
Ironically, at that time the NRA supported gun control, because it benefited the organization’s conservative values. The importance of guns to the struggle of urban Black populations in California was portrayed in this poignant scene in the 1995 film Panther:
Most important to understand of how this all relates to guns in America in the modern context is in relation to the Covid-19 pandemic. For many people, this is when concerns for a tyrannical government went from a hypothetical to a reality. Though rural White conservatives were commonly blamed for extending the pandemic due to vaccine hesitancy, vaccine hesitancy was even greater among populations of urban Blacks and Southern Blacks due to things such as the Tuskegee Experiment, and who were discriminated against in greater per capita numbers by vaccine mandates and other restrictions.
During the pandemic, gun ownership spiked, with nearly 60 million new guns purchased, and more than 15 million Americans purchasing firearms for the first time. Now, the frequency of mass shootings is fueling even more gun sales, and across all demographics. To lump the responsibility or the solution for gun violence on any segment of individuals is to grossly misunderstand the problem.
But even though it might be easy to say what Ketch Secor and others are calling for in country music is based on a flawed ideology, what is harder to do is to forward ideas of what could or should be done to actually enact some meaningful element of change that may measurably decrease gun violence and mass shootings in America.
As opposed to taking wide, sweeping philosophical approaches to what “country music” could or should do, or generalizing Christians, conservatives, and country music fans as part of the problem as Ketch Secor does in The New York Times, Secor and other could get more specific, and more pragmatic.
For example, the shooter in the Covenant School incident in Nashville was currently under psychiatric care. There is broad and bipartisan support for addressing gun violence from a mental health standpoint, and a consensus that people suffering from mental health issues should have their access to firearms restricted. A red flag law or similar policy could very well have stopped the shooter in their tracks since they purchased the firearms used in the shooting legally. 80% of Americans support red flag laws, including 2/3rds of Republicans.
In June of 2022, The United States Congress passed a law in the wake of the school shooting in Uvalde, TX that made it easier for states to pass and support red flag laws, with 15 Republican senators voting for the bill. The idea that conservative country music fans are standing in the way of meaningful and sensible legislation to make sure people with a history of violence or who are suffering from mental health issues cannot obtain a gun is false. A majority of them agree guns should not end up in the hands of the wrong people.
Mistakes by police and government officials have also contributed to mass shootings in a significant way. The Uvalde shooting could have been avoided if it wasn’t for a faulty door lock on the school, or less people could have died if law enforcement had acted quicker to take down the subject. There is also broad consensus behind holding public officials to account.
The same day that Ketch Secor published his op/ed in The New York Times, a $144 million settlement was reached between The United States Government and survivors of the 26 people who were killed in a mass shooting in Sutherland Springs, TX in 2017. In that case, the Air Force was found negligent for not reporting the gunman’s history of violence to the background check database, which allowed him to purchase the guns used in the shooting legally when he should have been denied. Country musician Kullen Fox, who plays keys/trumpet for Charley Crockett lost relatives in the Sutherland Springs shooting.
Often when it comes to mass shootings, we find law enforcement or government officials ignored red flags, calls from concerned citizens, and other signs that could have potentially prevented the incidents, or acted in a cowardly manner in a way that caused more death. How “country music” is deemed to be in a position to address these issues compared to these governmental organizations who’ve been put in responsibility of enforcing current laws is quite curious. Perhaps what country music artists and fans could do is help hold these governmental organizations accountable, since they are the ones directly tasked with protecting citizens, and in case after case, have been found to have made mistakes.
Specific to the Covenant School shooting, the investigators are refusing to the release the shooter’s manifesto publicly, which specifically details why the shooting occurred. How are we supposed to address the root causes of mass shootings when the public is not even allowed to learn what motivated this particular incident? The answer is simple. They don’t want us to know. And in that vacuum of knowledge, country music is being implicated due to the shooting’s proximity to Nashville.
Ketch Secor also says in the opinion piece, “The country community has lost its way if it thinks owning an AR-15 is more important than a child’s right to safely attend school.”
But of course, nobody believes that. Fans and performers of country music love their children. Owners of AR-15’s love their children. Everyone wants to know their children are protected in school and everywhere else, and they want all children to be protected. Often, this is why people purchase AR-15s. This false equivalency and dehumanization of gun owners in the “country community” as being against a child’s right to safely attend school is a rather tone deaf and judgemental comment in an otherwise thoughtful commentary from Ketch Secor.
The shooting at the Covenant School in Nashville was definitely seen by some in the activist community as an opportunity to activate “country music” in the gun debate due to the shooting’s proximity to the country music industry. As political strategist and former Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel once said, “You never let a serious crisis go to waste.”
But these activists seem to forget that the largest mass shooting in modern history happened at a country music concert. 60 people were killed, and 413 injured at the Route 91 Harvest Festival in 2017. Jason Aldean was on stage when the shooting happened. Did this stimulate a serious reformation among country artists and fans about how to approach the gun issue? Did it inspire Jason Aldean to change his mind on political issues? No, it did not.
But even if the Las Vegas mass shooting had caused a major change in thought, or even if Ketch Secor’s op/ed in The New York Times did similar, there is a good chance it wouldn’t result in any measurable difference in public policy because of the autocratic nature of the United States government at the moment, and the power of the lobbying class and corporations that use divisive topics like gun control to keep the electorate perpetually divided and fighting amongst itself so it never finds enough consensus to depose the political elite.
But for some (though not likely Ketch Secor), enacting gun control is not even the point of putting the onus for gun violence on country music. The point is to impugn and implicate country music in America’s gun violence issue so they can gain power over it as a cultural institution, and then use it for their ulterior political purposes. And if they can’t use country music as a vehicle for their political activism, they will work to undermine or destroy it, hence why a site called “Saving Country Music” concerns itself with these matters.
This is not to say that country artists, country fans, and people in the country music industry can’t do something. They can. But if it’s going to have any real effect, it has to be pragmatic, and specific. There are an estimated 20 million AR-15-style guns in private ownership in America at the moment, and rising, and rising specifically due to the levels of gun violence. The United States also has more guns than people.
The idea that “Country Music Can Lead America Out of Its Obsession With Guns” any more than hip-hop, video game manufacturers, violent movie producers, or anything else can is simply delusion. Instead of talking down to country music artists and fans, perhaps compel them to advocate for greater mental health services if they claim America’s mass shooting epidemic is a mental health problem and not a gun problem. Compel them to support policies that ensure those currently suffering from mental health issues are not allowed to legally purchase or posses guns.
But another way to address America’s mental health crisis is to give people places and things in society where they can escape the rabid polarization, politicization, stereotyping, and blame that pervades so much of popular culture. Music is an escape, and a place where people can come together across ideological divides. Attempting to politicize country music—by both sides of the political aisle, including pro-gun organizations like the NRA that has enacted specific campaigns to court country music fans—should be frowned upon.
This is not to say that country artists should also not feel free to assert their political views if they so choose. This is not to say “shut up and sing.” But country artists and fans are not your pawns. They should have the right to freely hold and express whatever views they choose as well. They should also have the right to not express those views if they so choose, and that doesn’t make them callous or complicit in the violence any more than it does the Buddhist monks who’ve given their lives to oaths of silence. It often just means they are conflict-averse, or see their role in society as ratcheting down polarizing rhetoric by giving people a place to escape, decompress, come together, or even commiserate with each other through stories of broken-heartedness, loneliness, and isolation that country music can uniquely address.
Music can mend hearts and reshape minds in ways political efforts can’t. Using story and allegory through music itself as opposed to sloganeering on social media or grandstanding from the stage is often the more effective strategy for artists to address social strife. In fairness, Ketch Secor did make this point in a response to a comment on The New York Times op/ed, but it would have been made better in the body of it.
You also have to reach country artists and fans where they are. Not only are country fans wary of being talked down to, they’re specifically unlikely to interact with anything published in The New York Times specifically, especially if it’s behind a paywall, rendering it impossible for them to reach. Same goes for CNN, which only 20% of Americans believe is truthful.
Ultimately, these efforts only have the outcome of feeding into further elite discourse that looks to lay blame on others and to divide, when in reality we are all to blame for the level of gun violence in America. We’re all complicit it creating an environment where so many feel the only way to express themselves is violence against innocents and suicide, and we all have a responsibility to try and do something about it in our everyday interactions with others.
UPDATE: On Thursday morning (4-27), Ketch Secor and Old Crow Medicine Show released a new song addressing gun violence called “Louder Than Guns.”
April 27, 2023 @ 8:34 am
There is a serious mental health issue in the west. Deal with that, and shootings will decrease as well.
April 27, 2023 @ 12:59 pm
How do you know if your neighbor down the street has mental health issues that need to be treated? You don’t. So no problem has been solved.
April 28, 2023 @ 9:52 am
Well I can tell you for fact a gun nothing on its own.
April 28, 2023 @ 10:10 am
Unless Baldwin’s holding it …
April 29, 2023 @ 11:23 am
Any word on Stephen Paddock’s motive, perchance?
*crickets*
April 27, 2023 @ 8:41 am
What if instead of doing so in a “preachy” fashion, artists could simply offer other perspectives? Now the fans are not pawns, but instead people with the potential capacity to change viewpoints. Some of the instances where it did not “work” were because it was done so in a manner where it wouldn’t work. For my part, I thought that Tyler Childers imagined scenario was fantastic to offer a different perspective on the whole erbody’s life matters thing. I say that at the risk that you make the valid point that it turned some folks off because I imagine it turned some other’s opinions – and that was not political or preachy in any way from my humble perspective.
I also imagine that the vast majority of people would not have drawn the line between what he said and country music being implicit as a whole. I have been called out several times before by some people for saying something that I absolutely was not saying and they were simply looking into what was said too deeply and drawing their own conclusions. You obviously know more than I do on these subjects, but I love offering counterpoints for thought.
April 27, 2023 @ 8:41 am
My biggest complaint with the idea that “if only music artists would speak out about these matters” is the assumption that music artists know better than their fans. Ketch Secor is really great at what he does, but why does that make him have a valuable opinion on gun violence? He may have a valuable, informed opinion, but the idea that celebrities ought to be mouthpieces for political change, regardless of their ideological pedigree is crazy to me.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:48 pm
Exactly.
Our culture thinks because some idiot savant can play a guitar or shoot a ball that they are qualified to be followed on complex issues.
Most musicians are only smart enough to write a decent tune.
April 28, 2023 @ 4:52 am
Instead, we should listen to folks in the comments sections of webpages!
May 1, 2023 @ 10:34 am
I would trust the common man over any politician or Hollywood actor.
May 2, 2023 @ 12:48 am
You prefer the phone book over the Harvard staff, eh Buckley?
April 27, 2023 @ 8:46 am
That’s a whole lot of words to say nothing.
April 27, 2023 @ 9:09 am
It only says nothing if you’re not listening.
The problem with this issue and many others is everyone wants to simplify it. They want a sound bite. They want a slogan. They want to attack and impugn the character of whoever is making the counter-argument to theirs, and act as if there is no merit to their perspective. They want to pull quote to make opinions look like something they aren’t. They want to hide facts and statistics that don’t benefit their argument, and only present the ones that do. And meanwhile mass shootings keep happening. And we keep talking past each other, and nothing gets done.
I share Ketch Secor’s concern and frustration here, and I appreciate him allowing us to have a deeper discussion on this matter. That discussion may not be for you. But that doesn’t mean it’s “nothing.”
April 27, 2023 @ 1:08 pm
This is wrong. Many issues are complex, but this one has an empirical base of study and comparative history that illuminates it’s absolute simplicity: more guns in circulation equals more gun violence of all kinds. You can have a society and say that having more guns is worth the cost including the massacring of children with guns that shred their tiny bodies, but that’s the choice and there’s no way around it.
This is a soundbite issue: the more guns the more shredded children in elementary schools. More guns equals more grown-ass men getting afraid and shooting their own families who they fear are intruders. More guns equals more women being killed by ex-boyfriends who are seized with the desire for absolute control. More guns equals more men becoming terrified and killing boys in middle schools bands who ring their doorbells on accidents. It means more men also turning those guns on themselves, those same guns they hoard out of fear that someone will harm them, and in a particularly tragic irony, killing themselves in suicide. It means more three year-olds getting ahold of their parents guns and accidentally shooting themselves or their siblings. It means the more road rage incidents that result in murder that would otherwise not happen in a place like Australia where they can’t shoot each other impulsively because they can’t shoot. It’s not hyperbole and it’s not unclear. You can say it’s worth it, but the dynamic is iron clad.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:30 pm
Dangerous freedom beats peaceful slavery.
April 27, 2023 @ 4:36 pm
An insurrectionist view of guns is ahistorical. We have a constitution, including the 2nd amendment, to establish, other, non-violent institutions and processes for resolving issues in society. If and when those institutions and processes breakdown your gun will be of no use. This is a tiny little story that places you at the center as hero in a great epic of good-versus-evil that’s the stuff of childhood fantasy. It’s sad.
It’s also entirely insane. The idea that weapons can only bulwark against “slavery” rather than help bring it about and enforce the anti-freedom, including fascism is also magical thinking. Guns are tools, they aren’t values. They will serve whatever values of the person wielding it.
April 29, 2023 @ 5:41 pm
People like you are delusional. So you’re saying a certain amount of deaths (including children in schools) is fine as long as we have our precious guns? You using the word “slavery” in this context is repulsive. This is why our country is fucked.
April 29, 2023 @ 6:42 pm
I agree with you Dave. One group of humans can be trusted completely, so they should have all the power. Another group of humans can’t be trusted at all, so they should have no power. Just ignore the fact that the group of people we can trust completely are taxing our labor and using our money buy millions and millions of guns and bullets which are sold, if not simply given away, to facilitate massive gun violence and death worldwide. Just ignore the fact that the vast majority of humans murdered in the 20th century were murdered by their own government (more than all 20th century wars combined). Just ignore the fact that the US Government has no actual legal duty or obligation to render any protection to you, me, or any child anywhere at anytime. Guns aren’t horrible Dave, human beings and human behavior is horrible – which unfortunately makes guns necessary. Nation States are the undisputed heavyweight champions of perpetrating mass murder in the entire history of the world, but you really believe giving them – oligarchical groups of narcissistic psychopaths – total power will result in the preservation of life? I respectfully disagree. The consolidation of power necessarily involves the expansion of defenseless. If you want to be dominated, be defenseless. All I want is to be left alone.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:44 pm
This is why the dynamic of the pandemic is so important to understanding this issue, and why I cited it in this article. During the pandemic 15 million more Americans became gun owners, and 60 million new guns were put into circulation. This was a massive and historic arming of the American population.
Now, someone please tell me how or why country music is to blame for that? Because of a 70-year-old song from Johnny Cash as Ketch Secor claims, that if you actually listen to it, is a cautionary tale told by someone in prison serving time for gun violence?
Next, please tell me what country music is supposed to do about this? Do you really think some redneck out there is going to give up their AR-15 because Kelsea Ballerini tells them to right before she sings a pop song flanked by drag queens?
This is an insanely complex issue. And as I said in the article, country music may be able to play some minor role in attempting to ratchet down the rhetoric that has allowed Americans to be so fearful, they’re buying guns at a historic clip, or some other peripheral role in trying to decrease the violence.
I agree that more guns are invariably going to lead to more gun violence since so many new gun owners are not properly trained, do not know how to properly store their firearms, and eventually they’re going to end up in the hands of people who will do harm with them.
But the idea that “country music” is responsible for getting us here, or getting us out is ludicrous.
You want to finger the culprit for the massive spike in gun ownership in America? Blame the pandemic. Blame the government’s response. Blame the spike in crime. Blame the food insecurity and food deserts that persist in America, especially in rural and intercity locations. All of these things fed into folks feeling they needed to purchase a gun, not a 70-year-old Johnny Cash song.
Want to get rid of them all, or even dramatically reduce the number of them in circulation? Good luck. You’re going to need a lot more than “country music” to pull that off.
April 27, 2023 @ 4:07 pm
This is all so straw man. It’s textbook. Do you think that anyone, including Ketch Secor, is claiming that country music can solve gun violence in America? Bad faith arguing collapses complexities rather than illuminate them, as you claim to want to do.
People by their nature are oftentimes scared, fragile, prone to paranoia and distortion, confused, rageful, and vengeful. Whenever and wherever you give people killing machines, people will be kill, en masse if there are plentiful enough. And in the United States, the Republican Party, both historically, and presently are most responsible for both stoking the conditions that arouse those feelings in people, and also ensuring that they’re armed. Full stop.
April 27, 2023 @ 4:40 pm
“This is an insanely complex issue. And as I said in the article, country music may be able to play some minor role in attempting to ratchet down the rhetoric that has allowed Americans to be so fearful, they’re buying guns at a historic clip, or some other peripheral role in trying to decrease the violence.”
This undermines most of your rant. This is what he’s advocating. You agree with him that Country Music Artists should do what they can, if only the margins. So do I. This article could be that. Edit.
The pandemic happened everywhere. Only in the Untied States was gun proliferation possible on this scale. In order to do something about gun violence you need to pass gun laws. In order to do that you need to oppose the republican party on the issue. Again, this is iron clad. Do you disagree with that basic analysis?
April 27, 2023 @ 7:13 pm
The issue is not nothing. Oscillating between artists should/shouldn’t be political, should/shouldn’t speak out, etc. is nothing. There is nuance and debate to be had, but it’s really a simple question: is the life of a schoolchild or someone worshiping in a church or synagogue or an old woman shopping at a grocery store worth more than your right to own a high-capacity, high-powered military style rifle? It’s not about tyranny or fighting a repressive government. The AR-15 has become a fetish. People can argue about the wording of the 2nd Amendment and can ignore “well-regulated” or focus on “shall not be infringed” or argue why our system is so broken that politicians ignore the will of the people, but ultimately it boils down to deciding what’s more important. Any discussion without taking a side is nothing.
April 28, 2023 @ 2:40 pm
You don’t need to ignore it, it’s not the primary clause. It’s like saying “a healthy breakfast, being necessary for a good day, the right to food shall not be infringed.” The right to food doesn’t mean only breakfast.
April 29, 2023 @ 8:14 am
The biggest problem is that Ketch presents so many false premises and comes to so many false conclusions in his article…all of which looks to the easiest and simplist solution to just make the problem go away. Yet, the root causes of the problem go way deep than simply passing gin control laws. Our penal system, mental health system, legal system needs major reforms and are directly responsible for a lot of the violence we see in our streets, and the moral rot and decay in our post modern society only fuels the problem. The founders wisely pointed out that freedom only works for a morally upright citizenry who willing submitted themselves to dutiful self governance… something our post modern society woefully lacks. External Laws will never fix internal laws that governors a societies heart. When a society that is wrought with moral relativism of all kinds doesn’t respect and honor the value of life as whole society, no law will ever change that.
April 29, 2023 @ 9:06 am
Hence, the topic that Trigger jumped my ass for.
A critical reason for the degradation of our society, here in the States.
Instead he would rather lob grenades, and hurl accusations about pouring gasoline and dropping an atomic bomb on discussions.
Damn straight.
The whining, crying, bellyaching, placating, needs to stop.
Every sniveling wannabe needs to go grow up, face reality. Take responsibility for their actions.
The truth is the truth, and no matter how you try to obfuscate it, it is still the truth.
The subject that Trig was fuming over is indeed a big part of today’s problem.
But if he allows it onto the thread he is going to get flambe’d by the sniveling, whining, crying, irresponsible crowd of malcontents.
Thus, the mediocrity.
Allows the downright filth of certain posts, because it certainly advances Trig’s ideology.
April 27, 2023 @ 8:52 am
Isaiah 2:4, in which “swords are beaten to plowshares and spears to pruning hooks” has nothing to do with peace in our present world. When read in proper context, it describes the time when Christ returns to reign on Earth.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:46 pm
You think Secor cares?
Loads of anti-Christian people love to twist Bible quotes in an attempt to shame Christians. The Bible even points out that the devil quotes Scriptures for his purposes.
April 27, 2023 @ 5:03 pm
Yeah and lots of Christian’s like to twist the Bible to shame others. What’s your point?
April 28, 2023 @ 7:55 pm
I am an atheist. I am not anti-Christian, or anti any other religion. People have the right to be free to believe in any myth they want. I am anti theocracy. The government should, in practice, be secular. Religious beliefs cannot infringe on others. It is simple. Everyone should be free to live their lives in whatever way that makes them happy. Everyone deserves to be loved and be happy. Obviously there are logical limits. If your happiness requires harming others, no. Basically, consenting adults. You can be as disgusted as you like by others. That’s your right. But your disgust cannot justify taking away their rights. I’m disgusted by coprophilia. But if defecate gets you off, feel free. Again, the more we allow people to be themselves and happy with their lives, “consenting adults”, for lack of a more succinct way to put it, the better we all are. Why anyone gives a damn what someone else does that doesn’t infringe on others reasonable rights, is beyond me. The only reason is some belief in a myth. I say “fuck you.”
April 27, 2023 @ 9:24 am
Excellent history there, that both sides most often ignore because it don’t fit their narratives. Simple answers to complex questions are rarely accurate.
April 27, 2023 @ 12:49 pm
Please vote for the person you believe will lead your dreams with morals and guts to stand up to evil.
April 27, 2023 @ 9:32 am
I’m going to reread tonight after work. I’m not a parent but I have thoughts. Agreed, Trigger, on what you said in the comments. We can’t just talk over each other. I care what my friends think. I don’t care what so and so artist thinks. I’m going to echo that most contemporary artists are just a persona to their labels and sponsors.
April 27, 2023 @ 9:35 am
The issue isn’t politics so much as the polarization. There is an excellent video on YouTube where Hank Jr. is laughing and singing with Kris Kristofferson and Willie Nelson, who are, of course, on the opposite end of the political spectrum. Nor did Merle Haggard turn down the invitation to be on Johnny Cash’s TV show despite the two artists expressing very different social views in their music at the time (with Cash famously refusing to perform “Okie from Muskogee” in Nixon’s White House). Even more recently, you can see some of this among older artists. Charlie Daniels late in his career released an album of songs by Bob Dylan probably the preeminent protest singer of the ’60s (a little outside of the realm of country, but folk singer Phil Ochs – who was far to the left of Dylan – used to perform Haggard covers in concert) and Steve Earle performed with and commended the Oak Ridge Boys at the Opry a year or so ago.
In the past, it seems that artists respected one another’s work despite their political differences. But, like the rest of us, they have been conditioned by partisan 24-hour news networks and increasingly radical politicians to believe that the other side is not only wrong, but evil incarnate. This is bad for music, yes, but more importantly, it’s bad for our society.
April 27, 2023 @ 9:37 am
The vast majority of gun violence in this country comes from urban blacks and Latinos involved in crime using illegal firearms. Yet all the media and Hollywood wants to do is scold conservative whites who legally own guns. That alone should show you it’s not about gun violence, but about demoralizing and disarming the one voting block standing against moral insanity in America.
April 27, 2023 @ 11:26 am
Those illegally obtained guns are stolen 99.99% of the time because the original owners did not securely store them (often out of vehicles). Therefore, if one of their weapons is stolen and used in a crime they should be held liable too (at the very least financially). Wouldn’t you agree?
April 27, 2023 @ 12:18 pm
Maybe? My instinct is to say that if someone steals my car and uses it for a crime I shouldn’t be prosecuted so the same should apply to guns. However, you seem to be claiming a degree of criminal negligence on the part of irresponsible gun owners. If their negligence is criminal then sure, fine them. A fine may well prevent people from being stupid and irresponsible with their guns. If you’re saying they should be punished in the same way as the actual criminal, then absolutely not.
April 27, 2023 @ 4:00 pm
Something more like car insurance might work. Receiving recognized training courses and presenting proof of proper storage devices could lower rates and there would be funds available to help victims of gun violence aside from the government.
April 27, 2023 @ 3:53 pm
@pH Absolutely not. Storing a handgun in the glovebox is perfectly safe. If someone busts out my window and steals it and then commits a crime with it, why should I be held criminally or financially liable? The whole point of having a gun for self defense is having it within reasonably quick access.
Should General Motors be sued for drunk driving deaths?
This line of reasoning you bring up is likely how 2A will be infringed. Hillary Clinton and other prominent democrats have been pushing for allowing gun manufacturers to be sued. It’s insane. There is no direct line of culpability.
April 27, 2023 @ 7:26 pm
You sure about that? Per capita, the states with the most gun violence are rural states. It’s not New York or (Illinois) Chicago that has the most gun violence. States with the most gun ownership have the highest rates of gun violence.
April 27, 2023 @ 9:43 am
Why the fiddle player for Old Crow Medicine Show thinks anyone is going to listen to him of all people
April 27, 2023 @ 9:47 am
Well, the Americana crowd will love him for his comments.
April 27, 2023 @ 9:50 am
“I think folks should be more friendly as a rule
I think the guns should go but kids should stay in school
And if preachers wanna preach they ought to practice what they teach,
But maybe it’s just me.”
Great article, Trigger.
I consider myself a man of faith but I do get annoyed when people start slinging scripture around to prove a point, especially the Old Testament. Lewis Black says it best: “It’s not your f****** book!”
April 27, 2023 @ 9:50 am
Pretty good commentary. Obviously anyone implicating one group on the issues of gun violence is leaving a lot on the table. Also, not as a defense against CNN, I think all cable news is garbage, I clicked the link and think Trig’s statement doesn’t give you the full picture. He says only 20% trust the network. It shows that 50% believe they’re ‘some’ to ‘a lot’ truthful while 37% say not much to not at all (13% no opinion). No on should put their full trust in any single news source, especially if that’s cable news or social media. Their job is to entertain you and bring in ad revenue.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:48 am
Yes, trust in ALL of media–especially mainstream corporate media—has plummeted, especially since the pandemic. This includes FOX News, MSNBC, all of it. That’s one of the reasons I linked to that article, because it has a more detailed breakdown, and across various outlets.
The deeper point I was trying to make there is that conservative Christian country music fans are probably not going to The New York Times and CNN in 2023 to read opinion columns, especially in the case of The New York Times because it’s behind a paywall.
For some reason, sometimes when I go to the Ketch Secor article, it appears, and sometimes it’s paywalled. Either way, you can’t wage a revolution behind a paywall. If you want to reach country music’s conservative fans, CNN and The New York Times are arguably the two worst places in American media to do that. You have to reach them where they’re at, and that’s a challenge. But if you care about this issue, it’s a challenge you tackle.
April 27, 2023 @ 11:00 am
100% agree. It’s a shame this is where we’re at with news journalism.
April 27, 2023 @ 9:51 am
Some really great and thoughtful points, and you’re essentially correct that Secor’s suggestion is naive and unworkable, but your ideas on the broader issue and toward solutions are not much better. No other so-called developed western nation has the gun violence issues we have nor do they have tyrannical governments. It’s this fantasy that guns are going to protect you that is one of the roots of the problem. Look at this spate of shootings over the last two weeks (ringing the wrong door bell, pulling into the wrong driveway, getting into the wrong car thinking it was an Uber, accidentally allowing a ball to bounce into a neighbor’s yard) none of those shooters were in danger and none of them would have had their gun ownership flagged due to mental health. It is accurate and sounds good to say we’re all for stricter mental health laws when it comes to guns, but even that becomes a thorny issue of how exactly would that be defined? Where would the line be drawn? For example ould trans people be allowed to own guns to protect themselves or with the very fact of their trans sexuality be flagged as a mental illness in many states in communities around the country? What about vets with PTSD? Further, simply having a gun in your household, statistically, means there is a greater chance of harming yourself or a loved one (not to mention shooting a stranger knocking on the wrong door or pulling into the wrong driveway) than it does of warding off an malicious intruder or a tyrannical gov’t. The most common mass shooting in America is a male murdering his family, usually a white male, usually in their home. I think if we don’t want to keep seeing such things happen, we’re going to have to make major systemic changes not incremental bills and red flag laws. Sadly, I do not think we are up for the challenge. We would rather live with these “regrettable” and “tragic” occurrences than lose the fantasy that firearms offer us meaningful protection outside of very specific and rare circumstances.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:03 am
The media and social media highlights what they want to highlight. They selectively pick “news” that happens in a country of 400 million people. There is little coverage of the latest mass shooting that involved all African Americans. (Doesn’t fit the narrative)
It’s worrying to me that the biggest gun control advocates fail to recognize that 20th century history will repeat itself. Guns absolutely stand in the way of government tyranny. No authoritarian government allows its citizens to still have their guns.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:42 pm
Strait86,
They understand where gun control ends up. They are OK with that outcome. They want government tyranny because they believe they will be in charge. If they were smart, they would realize it would be like the French Revolution. Where each radical group was killed when their usefulness expired or their part fell out of favor.
But you can’t expect those fools to understand history. Their side has rewritten it.
April 27, 2023 @ 3:58 pm
@CountryKnight I’m not so sure of that. I have noticed almost every time that I brought up history with left-leaning people, their eyes glaze over. Judging their theories with history doesn’t even cross their minds. It’s opposite of their reasoning process as to why they think their ideas are superior. It comes down to the difference between two halves of the population. It’s always been that way. One side is the more creative force that is resistant to the status quo. The other side leans more towards keeping the status quo for other reasons.
April 27, 2023 @ 11:00 am
“Look at this spate of shootings over the last two weeks (ringing the wrong door bell, pulling into the wrong driveway, getting into the wrong car thinking it was an Uber, accidentally allowing a ball to bounce into a neighbor’s yard) none of those shooters were in danger and none of them would have had their gun ownership flagged due to mental health.”
This is a good point. But these are two separate issues. The mass shooting issue is one that could be addressed by flagging individuals with mental health issues. The wide prevalence of shootings overall in my opinion goes to the wide proliferation of guns that occurred during the pandemic when food insecurity and a large spike in crime made 15 million new Americans feel like they needed to be armed, and already-armed Americans feel like they needed more and bigger guns.
Mental health may also play into some of these individual shootings as well. But overall, folks are fearful and distrusting of others these days. The bifurcation of American society and the polarization and pitting of sides against each other especially through social media is feeding into this. I cited an article above that explains how all the gun violence is fueling more gun ownership and gun violence itself. It’s a self-perpetuating cycle, and that is why I think we need efforts at deeper dialogue and cross-ideological discussion of how to diffuse the current situation.
And not to engage in my own delusional fantasies, but I do think that music can play a role in this as well with the way it can bring people together, and help alleviate feelings of anger and loneliness. This is why I’ve always worked to protect the rabid politicization of country music from both sides. Politics will always work into music to some extent. But if country artists were forced to share their feelings on something like gun control, it would be WW3 in country music, and exacerbate the problem, not solve it.
April 27, 2023 @ 11:33 am
Possibly, but the demographics committing the most murders overall don’t seem to be listening to country music. And I would argue that the outright preaching of violent crime in rap music DOES contribute because it is literally made by gang members preaching the gang lifestyle. Lil Dirk who collabed with Morgan Wallen on Broadway Girls, is a literal gang member from Chicago who was convicted of killing a man. I would also argue that the rational middle ground is much wider than given credit for. There is an interesting channel on YouTube by a guy named CharlieBo who interviews gang members and inner city people. Takeaway: They all have weapons and they all want to be rap stars.
I would agree with a good faith attempt to treat certain rifles like handguns to where you need a license and take a class. (Like I did for my handgun permit in Tennessee). The issue with passing certain restrictions with the goal of eliminating the small percentage of mass shootings in relation to gun crimes, would only lead to more gun control because mass shootings would still happen. You can get 100 round drums for a Glock pistol. A magazine of any capacity is just plastic and a spring. The mechanism to eject a spent round and insert a new round is functionally the exact same tech in a Glock Pistol vs an AR. AR’s are used because they are popular in social media the same way notoriety, infamy whatever is famous from mass shootings. I also acknowledge that banning all semi auto guns would decrease shootings and masks shootings. It’s that it would absolutely lead to the confiscation of all guns and there would be nothing holding back government overreach that we are seeing in every other 1st world country besides our own. That is the basis of the conservative viewpoint on guns.
April 27, 2023 @ 3:54 pm
Art, including country music is a natural, good, and inevitable place for the type of “dialogue” to happen around issues that hurt people.
Country music has ALWAYS been political, as it should be, and always will be. And that’s good. It operates on two levels here: 1. It’s inevitable (statement of reality) and 2. It’s good (statement of value). You’re analysis is so bad on both.
April 27, 2023 @ 9:58 am
The media convinced people that the smallest minority of gun crimes (school and mass shootings) are responsible for the highest amount of shooting casualties. If they really cared about shooting death causality they would first sweep thru the inner city hoods and take all the illegal guns from gang members and even bring back stop and frisk.
Instead vauge easily shared rhetoric wins. “Ban anssault weapons” And the side pushing for gun control occasionally is honest and says they want to ban semi auto guns. There is no technical distinction between an AR 223 rifle, and a six round 9 mm pocket Glock that woman carries in her purse. Any attempt to ban “assault rifles” would end up banning virtually all modern guns because they all fall under the same technical distinction. “Assault rifle” has no technical distinction. Fast forward 10 years and we will be like Canada and you will face 10 years in prison for shooting an armed home intruder, all while living in a country with a permanent underclass of people with drug and violence issues.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:33 am
the right always wants to talk about inner city gun crime while ignoring that big cities only have more crime because there are more people – more people equal bigger numbers. yet, if you adjust for that, say by total population of the state, you’ll see major city crime isn’t anywhere near the top.
largest cities in the u.s. – nyc, la, chicago, houston, phoenix, philadelphia, san antonio, san diego, dallas and san jose
largest states in the u.s. – california, texas, florida, new york, pennsylvania, illinois, ohio, georgia, north carolina, michigan
states with the most firearm mortalities – alabama, wyoming, alaska, montana, arkansas, missouri, tennesee, south carolina, oklahoma, kentucky
so let’s talk chicago since everyone likes to talk about it’s gun violence. it’s the third largest city and in the sixth most populous state – illinois had 1,995 gun deaths in 2021 (statewide, including chicago). that’s 16.1 deaths per 100,000 people.
now let’s talk alabama – it’s largest city (huntsville) ranks 106th. it’s the 24th largest state by population. and yet, alabama had 1,315 gun deaths. that’s 26.4 deaths per 100,000 people.
26.4 is a larger number than 16.1. more than 10 times larger. in this case the larger number is bad.
math can be hard, but it can also be really useful.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:55 am
Where are you getting your numbers? The CDC says Wyoming’s rate is 0. The 3 highest are Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi. Bury your head in the sand and ignore why.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:57 am
i am getting them from the cdc.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
April 27, 2023 @ 11:48 am
Oh, I didn’t realize you were using suicide numbers. I thought we were talking about homicide numbers since you were comparing things to Chicago and other blue cities.
Why are using that data instead of the homicide data when discussing “major city crime?”
Wyoming’s homicide rate is 0 per 100000. Putting it on your list of high crime states is utterly ridiculous. Why not use a different rural state like Mississippi where the homicide rate is 23.7? Hows Jackson compare to Chicago? You wanna take a stab at why states like Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi are tops in the nation in homicide rate?
Personally I assume its from middle aged hobbyists shooting up elementary schools with ghost guns modified with pistol braces and high capacity magazines. Those guys are the real problem and we need to ban assault rifles to stop them.
April 27, 2023 @ 11:59 am
well he said gun crimes and i said firearm mortality, so i don’t think i was being misleading. and i feel like you don’t get that i’m clearly pro-gun reform.
there is separate suicide data – https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/suicide-mortality/suicide.htm (ny, ca, and il are in the eighth lowest for that btw)
but, yeah, mississippi’s largest city (jackson) ranks 177th. it’s the 36th largest state by population. and yet, mississippi had 656 gun deaths. that’s 23.7 homicides per 100,000 people. illinois’ is 12.3 homicides per 100,000 people.
want to take other large, liberal cities in blue states into account? new york, ny – 4.8, los angeles, ca – 6.4.
so clearly, these large liberal hellholes are not the problem. but it is a bad argument that i hear put forth often by people who do not understand population density.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:59 am
I agree, math can be hard and useful when done correctly. However, 26.4 is not 10 times larger than 16.1. 16.1×10 = 161, not 26.4.
Your point still stands, but when you say “math can be hard” to put down “the right”, at least do it correctly.
April 27, 2023 @ 11:06 am
you are correct, i misspoke (typed). it should really read ‘more than 10 deaths higher’. but hey, my bad. not the guy decrying inner city gun crime because (we know why).
April 27, 2023 @ 11:51 am
That YouTuber I mentioned earlier CharlieBo interviews people in bad areas of Alabama too. It’s shocking how some of the United States is. It feels like a third world country in places.
Overall gun crimes have been at an all time low since the 70s-90’s, mostly in part to the pacification of most people with high speed internet access. That movie Freakanomics also found a link to abortion in the lowering of gun crimes since the 90’s. I’m sure the lethality of fentanyl pumped thru out southern border in part by the Feds is also helping because of the sheer number of inner city people and poor Americans it is killing.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:32 pm
Your entire thought process is a mistype.
April 27, 2023 @ 11:45 am
Over 50% of gun crimes in Alabama are suicides. And the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by black people. Alabama also has lots of slummy inner city areas similar to Chicago. This doesn’t implicate the white poster boy for mass shooters.
Idk why the United States lumps suicides into gun crimes. Maybe we should outlaw suicides too.
April 27, 2023 @ 12:03 pm
The US doesnt lump suicide into crime data. Dude is intentionally using misleading stats in an attempt to smear rural states as somehow being worse than large cities when it comes to crime.
April 27, 2023 @ 12:44 pm
suicide data is a separate statistic.
i’m not smearing anything. i am sharing data. a lot more people are harmed/killed by guns in red states.
suicides – 1) wyoming, 2) montana, 3) alaska, 4) new mexico, 5) south dakota, 6) colorado, 7) oklahoma, 8) nevada, 9) north dakota, 10) west virginia
homicides – 1) mississippi, 2) louisiana, 3) alabama, 4) new mexico, 5) south carolina, 6) missouri, 7) illinois, 8) tennessee, 9) maryland, 10) arkansas
firearm mortality – 1) mississippi, 2) louisiana, 3) new mexico, 4) alabama, 5) wyoming, 6) alaska, 7) montana, 8) arkansas, 9) missouri, 10) tennessee
only three appearances by blue states. since new mexico appeared in all three.
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April 27, 2023 @ 1:11 pm
please ignore ‘since new mexico appeared in all three.’ i ultimately decided to not include the rest in the comment for ease and missed deleted it. although it is true it is in all three.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:40 pm
He also is ignoring that those states homicides occur in the cities of said rural states which are almost usually run by the blue side.
April 27, 2023 @ 2:02 pm
also i was just using gun statistics. but i did some more research.
top crime rates by state – 1) new mexico, 2) lousiana, 3) colorado, 4) south carolina, 5) arkansas, 6) oklahoma, 7) washington, 8) tennesse, 9) oregon, 10) missouri … 36) illinois, 41) new york
violent crime rate – 1) alaska, 2) new mexico, 3) tennessee, 4) arkansas, 5) louisiana, 6) missouri, 7) south carolina, 8) south dakota, 9) arizona, 10) michigan … 18) illinois, 26) new york
domestic violence – 1) kentucky, 2) nevada, 3) alaska, 4) arizona, 5) indiana, 6) south carolina, 7) missouri, 8) illinois, 9) washington, 10) arkansas
https://worldpopulationreview.com/
April 27, 2023 @ 4:00 pm
The US absolutely combines suicides with gun related death totals which are then misconstrued to be because of mass shootings. Whenever people quote the common gun death total of 30k a year, they neglect to mention it includes suicides.
April 29, 2023 @ 7:33 am
Huntsville is 4th maybe,mobile ,birmingham montgomery
April 29, 2023 @ 10:02 am
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_municipalities_in_Alabama#:~:text=The%20largest%20municipality%20by%20population,Oak%20Hill%20with%2014%20residents.
May 19, 2023 @ 8:46 am
You are correct. I remember when huntsville was just cotton fields where ol George left he’s caddilac running all weekend….
May 2, 2023 @ 1:00 am
Barrel length. How many rifles have barrels shorter than 16-18″ and how many handguns have barrels longer than 6-8″? A ban on semi-auto guns with barrels over 16″ would not affect handguns. Or cause manufacturers to make ridiculously oversized handguns that can’t be easily carried concealed or otherwise, as a substitute.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:17 am
I’m just waiting for your multi part expose on how Travis Tritt is doing the right thing by boycotting Bud Lite.
April 27, 2023 @ 11:05 am
I purposely avoided the Bud Light fracas, just like I purposely avoided the Maren Morris vs. Brittany Aldean fracas, and other stupid and meaningless culture war spats that distract from more meaningful issues like this one.
Putting a trans influencer on a Bud Light can was performative.
Getting angry about it was performative.
Getting angry about people getting angry about it was performative.
It was all performative.
As long as we’re fighting with each other over a stupid Bud Light bottle, the elite can continue to fleece us, because we spend all of our time laboring against each other as opposed to understanding our common interests.
April 27, 2023 @ 12:03 pm
This comment is perfect, Trigger. Until we learn how to disagree with each other again as a nation and be okay with it while still working through our differences to find amicable solutions together, nothing will ever change.
April 27, 2023 @ 8:10 pm
Trig,
I want to take you seriously. How is a debate over whether or not it’s “okay” to mutilate the penis of a 10-year old, a “meaningless culture war spat” ? I really want to know why you say things like this, or,….believe them.
I would also like to know why you think Corporate America’s celebration of America’s religion is “performative”. Please elaborate on why you believe this. The person responsible for it explained why she did it. Are you accusing her of lying?
Furthermore, why do you believe getting angry about the celebration of unadulterated evil is “performative”. I really want to understand your reasoning here. Are you saying that people aren’t truly angry over the degradation of our country?
What common interests do you have with pederasts? Seriously, what are you talking about?
April 28, 2023 @ 11:39 am
Yes! The Travis Tritt issue is perfectly exemplary of your conflict here. Liberal Country Musician says something liberal=”keep politics out of my music and here’s a million word convaluted expose! This is bad and I’m agrrieved!” Conservative Country Musician says something conservative=”whatever, who cares”. It’s a dumb principle to begin with but you don’t even apply it honestly.
You can try to bend over backwards and come up ex post facto but it really distills to you not liking liberalism.
April 28, 2023 @ 12:37 pm
Ryan,
The problem is that you’re not reading what I’m saying, and instead are assuming my thoughts and opinions based on default notions. I actually address this very thing in the article about how conservative country artists often tell us to keep politics out of music, and then hypocritically broach politics themselves when it fits their ideology. And despite your characterization, I’ve actually called out numerous artists for this hypocrisy specifically. Here’s an example:
John Rich: Heed Your Own Advice in “Shut Up About Politics”
https://www.savingcountrymusic.com/john-rich-heed-your-own-advice-in-shut-up-about-politics/
I don’t take political stances because I believe all politics is a scourge. I understand why some may infer why this is a pro gun article, but if you actually read it, you will see I am simply making the argument against the flawed notions in Ketch Secor’s approach here, and how it could be counter-productive to his cause. If anything, if I was bias against him, I’d say nothing, and let him falter. The only reason I chose to speak up is because efforts like the ones Ketch is lobbying for can create collateral damage on the country music community, and I don’t want to see that.
But if you think my analysis is wrong, full speed ahead. If you think the way to end gun violence is to convince country music fans that Jesus wants them to give up their guns behind a paywall on The New York Times, have at it, and good luck.
April 28, 2023 @ 12:53 pm
Hi Ryan,
You must be related to the SCM commenter “Travis”, based on your inability to comprehend.
Trigger believes, ignorantly, that the Bud Light stuff is performative, and disagrees with Tritt’s stance regardless.
Trigger believes, also ignorantly, that the gun-control stuff is sincere, and agrees with Ketch on the issue, but disagrees with his solution.
You’re upset because Trigger criticized Ketch’s solution, and the emotional response in your mind is preventing you from comprehending the reality that Trigger agrees with you, that more gun control is good.
This is what I’ve been trying to tell people:
If the Communist’s position is: “X is bad. Let’s stop it with Y!”
Trigger’s position is: “I agree X is bad, but you’re being a hypocrite and Y won’t work. Z is the correct solution to fix X.”
You see, Trigger believes rural Americans are just as ignorant, misinformed, misguided, and backwards as you do; he just tries to be “nicer” about it. Trigger enjoys C(c)ountry Music, and so tries to occupy a perceived “middle ground”, to avoid offending rural people any more than he absolutely has to.
April 28, 2023 @ 1:01 pm
Honky,
Just because I think the Bud Light issue is a distraction doesn’t mean I’m for genital mutilation of minors and pedophilia, any more than pointing out that Ketch Secor’s efforts may be counter-productive means I think rural Americans are “ignorant, misinformed, misguided, and backwards.” This article is sticking up for the sovereignty of country music fans to hold whatever political believes they so choose, and lashing out at others in their attempt to use them as unwitting pawns.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:20 am
An interesting article on a complex issue. I recall a gun owner saying a gun never killed anyone, its the person who fires it. I find it difficult to understand the need for anyone to need or want a military style gun. I don’t really care what views singers or other celebrities hold as they are no more entitled to a view than anyone else and their view should carry no more weight than anyone else. The Dixie Chicks expressed a view, which many might have agreed with, but their timing and the way they did it really did not help them, but the reaction by some was not good either. I would just like to see proper debate and listening to others views with some level of respect. Both sides on the gun argument have good points. I might agree with one side more than another. Would a ban on firearms really reduce the problem when there are so many guns in circulation?
April 27, 2023 @ 11:13 am
“Would a ban on firearms really reduce the problem when there are so many guns in circulation?”
This is a severe underlying problem that nobody has a good answer for. If you have 15 million AR-15 style rifles in circulation (which itself is misleading, because “AR” can qualify as so many things), and more guns than people, passing major gun restrictions is basically just going swell the fugitive class in America, similar to the prohibition on marijuana. The ship has sailed in keeping the amount of guns within the American population at reasonable levels. We passed that point during the pandemic. So you’re going to have to be pragmatic about how to limit the access to guns for people who are more likely to perpetuate mass shootings like the one at the Covenant school in Nashville. I wish you could just cut a song and flash some statistics on the screen in the video, or write an op/ed in the newspaper and accomplish this. Unfortunately, we’re beyond that point. That is why saying that “country music” can somehow craft a solution seems silly.
April 27, 2023 @ 3:50 pm
OR you do what Australia did.
It always better to do something than nothing. There are better “somethings” than others, and sometimes people think their something is something but it’s actually not much of anything, but even that is way better than what you’re saying here. Saying terrible things are inevitable so why lend a voice to solution is nihilistic race-to-the-bottom stuff that justifies so many power people’s morally repugnant behavior. The choices of people have to matter.
April 27, 2023 @ 4:27 pm
“Saying terrible things are inevitable so why lend a voice to solution is nihilistic race-to-the-bottom stuff that justifies so many power people’s morally repugnant behavior. The choices of people have to matter.”
I never said anything like that Ryan. You’re bringing stock arguments and ad hominem attacks to an article where I brought a lot of various and omnivorous viewpoints to bear on a complex issue. You said in your first comment how it was so simple. That is because you want to simplify it, and make arguments against the viewpoints you know you can win against instead of the arguments being made.
April 27, 2023 @ 4:47 pm
I haven’t been ad hominin but I will be now: do you know what ad hominin means?
April 29, 2023 @ 9:33 am
It is clear Ryan is pushing the typical narrative from one side of the political aisle: the left. The reason no one can have a reasonable discussion on this issues like many issues is because you have people like him on both sides of the political aisle that like to demagogue this issue with such a high minded air of self righteous pity and moral superiority while pushing their narrative, that it crowds out any rationale discussion on the topic. Harsh Gun Control Laws are an easy knee jerk reaction to a much bigger problem to solve in this country…it isn’t the cure all, many on here are advocating for.
April 27, 2023 @ 4:18 pm
Going further on this when New York passed our gun laws under governor cuomo (mind you on a back room deal) it had a voluntary registration for your ar-15 to be grandfathered in. It was estimated that only 5% self reported them.
I do hunt and own many guns. I don’t have an ar-15. I personally don’t see a use for it in anything I do. Many of my friends do. It’s their choice.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:26 am
“But for some (though not likely Ketch Secor), enacting gun control is not even the point of putting the onus for gun violence on country music. The point is to impugn and implicate country music in America’s gun violence issue so they can gain power over it as a cultural institution, and then use it for their ulterior political purposes. And if they can’t use country music as a vehicle for their political activism, they will work to undermine or destroy it,”
NAILED IT.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:33 am
Just a quick update: this morning Ketch Secor and Old Crow Medicine Show released a new song called “Louder Than Guns.” It has been added to the bottom of the article.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:44 am
You’re trying to reason with people who have no interest in doing so. The logic has to stay at a marginal IQ level and on brand to be widely consumed.
The premise:
Country music fans = MAGA
MAGA culture likes guns
Guns are bad. MAGA is bad.
The article:
“Enlightened man pleads with ignorant audience to save our democracy”
Plenty of people denounce Drill/Trap for its gun violence content. The response is generally “Shut up, nerd”, same as it should be here.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:48 am
Here is what Reagan had to say on this matter.
https://youtu.be/bjqa0c2BdVg
That is what your God Reagan said,ammosexual conservatives, and pro gun Lee greenwood said he thinks assault weapons should be banned, it is getting so sickening when everyday we hear on the news about mass shootings in elementary schools, shopping malls, and people getting shot for knocking on the wrong door, we have had 2 shootings in the mall that I live next 2, and what do ammosexual conservatives say? The victims have our thoughts and prayers, well you can take your thoughts and prayers and stick them up your fascist ass.
Why is it ammosexual conservatives cry like babies, when they want voters to Have an ID, and register to vote, and yet so many fascist red states are getting rid of gun registration, so that any deranged psycho, with a violent past can walk into a gun store and by these killing machines.
You need a license to drive a car, to buy alcohol, to operate heavy machinery at a job, but yet ammosexual conservative law makers keep passing laws that make it to where you don’t need a license to own a gun.
More and more pro gun country singers like Lee Greenwood, Reba, Miranda lambert are now calling for bans on assault weapons, yet the ammosexual conservatives say banning guns does nothing, yet when Bill Clinton passed the Brady bill, which again, conservative God Ronald Reagan wrote, and Clinton passed a ban on assault weapons, from 1994 to 2004, which was how long the bill lasted, MASS SHOOTINGS WERE DOWN,
Sorry ammosexual conservatives. Banning assault weapons do work, facts prove it.
But today the democrats are so weak, against the fascist gop ammosexuals, that they won’t do anything and pass a do nothing soft gun bill that does little.
And I know that the fascist ammosexual conservatives are going to scream about their piece of shit 2nd ammendment, well these people are too brain dead to understand what it actually says, Thomas Jefferson was the one who said the reason for the second amendment was for a well regulated Militia to replace a standing Army, as Jefferson saw a national Army as a threat to individual liberty and freedoms.
Yet so many fascist ammosexual conservatives think it means no restrictions on any guns what so every.
Well tell me this fascist ammosexual brain dead conservatives, the constitution says we have freedom of speech, can you walk into a government building or an airport and say you have a bomb?
Can you threaten to shoot president Biden or former presidents, WELL CAN YOU? NO!, because there is no such thing as absolute freedom of speech.
The constitution says freedom of religion, if your religion calls for complete nudity, can you run out butt naked in the middle of a busy street?, mormans say thier religion can allow you marry more than one woman., So can you have more than 1 wife in the US? NO! POLYGAMY IS AGAINST THE LAW IN ALL 50 STATES.
again, no absolute freedoms on religion either .
So why the hell do the fascist ammosexual conservatives think that the 2nd amendment is the ONLY ammendment that allows absolute freedoms.
WHICH IS TOTALLY STUPID! thank God Washington the state, but a ban out on assault weapons, won’t last because of the ammosexual Supreme Court. There have been conservative pundits that have said mass shootings are the price the US must pay for the US to have freedoms to own guns. A Tennessee republican said we are not going to fix mass shootings. Seems their cult religion to the NRA HOLDS STRONG.
and honestly I don’t care what honky shit face. Di shit face and country knights shit face and all the other fascist ammosexual brain dead conservative communist loving trump supporters on this site say,
GUNS KILL, A FACT.
JOHN STUART SAID THERE ARE STATISTICS THAT PROOF THE NUMBER ONE KILLER OF KIDS IN THE US IS GUNS, not cross dressers , not transgenders or any diseases, BUT GUNS.
so why are so many fascist ammosexual conservatives worried about cross dressers , Trans people or any other of the LGBTQIA communities hurting children, which in reality they don’t, they ignore that it is their sex toys, GUNS, GUNS ARE THE NUMBER ONE KILLER OF CHILDREN IN THE US. and yet our politicians just stand by while innocent children and adults die in mass shootings. So go ahead all of you nazi loving fascist communist loving extreme right wing ammosexual brain dead trump supporters on this site, let your meaningless insults fly at me, you think you are hurting me? Your pathetic insults mean nothing, but remember this, you say you are pro life, and want to protect children? Making laws that hurt people who are different from you does not save children. A FACT.
If you just sit by and watch all these mass shootings are more concerned about guns being banned than you are about people’s and especially children’s lives, then you are NOT PRO LIFE , all you care about is your sex toys your anal butt plugs, your guns, as John Stuart said you don’t give a flying fuck about children, and that Is just the truth, sorry fascist ammosexual conservatives when mass shootings happen the blood is on your hands.
April 27, 2023 @ 12:05 pm
LOL John [sic] Stuart [sic]
April 27, 2023 @ 12:28 pm
I imagine that for most people your points were not taken because they were so drastically overshadowed by your name calling and hate. You obviously care a lot about this and likely want to change it, but that rarely happens when coming from a place of such a hardened heart.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:28 pm
Sorry but I have nothing nice to say about people who care more about guns getting banned than school children getting shot.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:53 pm
My rights don’t end because of a tragedy.
Deal with that foundational fact.
April 27, 2023 @ 2:13 pm
it’s kind of like that old trolley dilemma – would you kill one person to save five?
would you simply have less access to guns to save one person’s life? five? ten? one-hundred? what number of lives saved would it be worth it to you, ck?
i have a suspicion there is no number high enough. and that says a lot about you.
May 1, 2023 @ 10:39 am
Yes, it says I value freedom like the Founding Fathers did.
I am proud of that. You are the one reduced to begging on your knees to O’Brien.
May 1, 2023 @ 5:27 pm
1.3 million people are killed every year in traffic accidents worldwide. At what point do we all collectively decide to stop driving anywhere and start walking everywhere instead? We would simultaneously be fundamentally addressing climate change!
Wait. What? You refuse to sell your car and walk?? The fact that you won’t walk everywhere you go for the rest of your life means that you are ok with the inevitable 1.3 million preventable and needless deaths each and every year you live hereafter. That says a lot about you.
April 27, 2023 @ 2:47 pm
Guns are not the problem with school shootings. Want to know what is? An epidemic of homicidal maniacs who see no problem with other harming other people innocently going about their daily lives.
Banning all guns is the equivalent of banning cars because some idiots drive drunk, when – as is obvious to just about anyone with two brain cells – the underlying problem with drunk driving is not the car.
April 27, 2023 @ 3:09 pm
When people cause an accident and are found to be drinking and driving, their driving privileges are revoked. You can’t drive drunk if you don’t have a car. Just like you can’t spray a crowded concert with bullets if you don’t have a gun. Although I agree that the ‘homicidal maniacs’ are the primary issue, you can’t ignore guns entirely. I’d never advocate for a complete ban of guns, but we obviously need to fix and/or better enforce our laws.
April 27, 2023 @ 6:36 pm
You absolutely can drive drunk without have the proper privileges, which is my entire point. People drive on suspended licenses all of the time, similar to how people use guns obtained illegally for illegal purposes.
We don’t hear calls to ban cars or even alcohol, which contributes to millions of stupid decisions a year. In that sense, this example makes my point much better than I originally intended. Banning alcohol would effectively end drunk driving (as it is the ROOT CAUSE), whereas banning guns would not end murder or mass killings.
April 28, 2023 @ 8:11 am
You seem to be contradicting yourself now. So guns are not the problem in school shootings, it’s the person; but alcohol is the problem in drunk driving, not the person? Now it sounds like you’re advocating for banning guns despite your last sentence. Btw, banning alcohol would not effectively end drunk driving. Have you ever heard of home brewers and moonshine?
April 27, 2023 @ 12:32 pm
I am persuaded by this measured, considered, factual response. Let’s ban all guns in the USA, confiscate the ones that remain by force, and ensure that the only people who have guns are federal agents, criminals, and the military.
April 30, 2023 @ 4:52 am
I saw a movie like that once. It was called “Schindler’s List”.
April 30, 2023 @ 10:20 am
Excellent, profound, comment.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:39 pm
Hey MentalPatient68,
Reagan isn’t a conservative god. He sold out the right on plenty of issues.
April 28, 2023 @ 12:58 pm
Random capitalization is a sign of mental instability
April 27, 2023 @ 10:58 am
Eric Church’s Rolling Stone comments were not right leaning. He suggested a limit on the amount of guns someone should be able to own. That’s totalitarian leftism.
April 27, 2023 @ 11:03 am
Ban the internet (except this website of course), it’s making everyone insane
April 27, 2023 @ 11:59 am
While I didn’t completely agree with your opinions, I appreciate the depth and objectivity you brought to the topic.
I will saddened by your impending digital lynching.
April 27, 2023 @ 12:27 pm
So there is always that little issue of “shall not be infringed” that a fair amount of US citizens take quite literally and seriously. If greater citizenry of the US take this as seriously as they seem to, then do something about it. Create enough of a wave so as to change the Constitution.
Then there is the trust issue. So we take away “assault rifles” (which by the way are not a thing) and then we end it there. Are you seriously thinking that the pro 2A folks, let alone “moderate” gun owning types are going to buy that it ends there? Some scissorbill politician from Manhattan understands let alone cares about the difference between a AR-15 and a Benelli black eagle? Check out what’s happening in Canada. Hunters with semi auto waterfowl shotguns are concerned, and should be. Hence, guard the gate (Google it)
Then hypocrisy. Are our elected royalty going to give up their guns or armored guards? How about the beautiful people of stage and screen? Trust fund billionaires? Guns for me but not for thee. I’ve got news for urbanites, a large part of the US population lives in a place where police response is nonexistent and don’t have a remote IT job that paid for an armed guard. So, they are supposed to be fatted lambs waiting for slaughter?
This issue deserves discussion and attempts at understanding but all we get is stone throwing. We’re a deeply flawed species.
April 27, 2023 @ 12:28 pm
The United States Federal Government is the largest arms dealer in the world.
April 27, 2023 @ 12:41 pm
What “deal”?
The Biden administration simply gave away billions of dollars of weaponry to peaceful protestor jihadi types in Afghanistan.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:37 pm
See, that is different to the gun grabbers. They worship big government so it is not a problem. It is OK for the leaders to be protected by guns but not the common man.
Just like how it is OK if America invades countries willy-nilly but if another country does it they are the devil and it is right and good for us to waste billions of dollars fighting that country over land that means nothing to us.
Once you realize that they hate everything America was founded upon, you understand their motivations.
April 27, 2023 @ 2:21 pm
i’m sorry, you think the people that want more gun control were also super cool with the invasion of afghanistan? lmao.
April 29, 2023 @ 9:52 am
Afghanistan was 20 years, and the left was right then for opposing the war on terror…but the shocking shift in the last 20 years is that the same gun grabbers on the left aren’t anti-war anymore. They have become pro war warmongering warhawks like their counterparts on the right have always been. Hillary’s interventionism with the Arab Spring, the funding and arming of ISIS in Assyria because she wanted Assad removed, and in the Ukraine where the state department under her leadership in 2014 ran a coup on a democratically elected pro Russian government and installed a pro western government…made me think I was watching Condi Rice and Powell’s war mongering mongering in Iraq…where are those on left raising the warning signs about this proxy war with Russia that the Biden administration and Congress is engaging in right now with Russia in the Ukraine? Where are the voices on the left raising concerns about the ever increasing funding and arming of weapons to the Ukrainians? You can’t find them, the left in America has zero credibility when it comes to warmongering across the global, they have become just as bad as the right, and it doesn’t bode well for the American people.
April 29, 2023 @ 10:07 am
a lot of words to say you have a hard on for putin
April 27, 2023 @ 1:35 pm
Secor is just another in a long line of Southern scalawag sellouts.
He thinks by selling out his heritage that he will be accepted by the coastal elite.
Same old song.
Rucker’s version of “Wagon Wheel” is superior.
April 28, 2023 @ 5:35 am
Whether or not you agree with Secor’s points, you really don’t think that Rucker’s version of Wagon Wheel is better. Let’s be honest here.
April 29, 2023 @ 11:09 am
Few words to say your a blind leftist demagogue who refuses to see the failings of those you support, who has no interest in a real discussion of the issues, but only seeks to push your leftist talking points.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:42 pm
This is just so confused. Most of what you rail against here and attribute to Ketch Secor is never said or even implied by him and the arguments themselves are incoherent when taken in total. You really need an editor, bad, to help you think through your own ideas because they’re conflicted–your message is so muddled as to amount to almost nothing.
This is so patterned for you. I think you so badly want to make the issue and, by extension, yourself, more nuanced, fair, thought-provoking, or interesting than it really is, which is that you’re just allergic to liberal politics in country music. You regard it as pollution, and you start from there as a presupposition, and then you try to fill your arguments with other content to obfuscate it to readers and, I think, maybe even yourself.
April 27, 2023 @ 1:53 pm
You weep as if opposition to liberal politics in country music is a negative. It is the last genre where anything on the right is allowed to be celebrated. And liberal politics have been allowed in the genre. Whereas other genres are actively hostile to anything right wing.
April 27, 2023 @ 4:21 pm
I actually think you’re the one asserting a victim identity, ironically. “We’re just so marginalized!”.
With that said, I think the cultural power of conservatism is waning. I think that’s what you’re responding to and hurt by. Many of the best country artists in the world are asserting liberal politics, and that’s hard for you and this author. It creates a ton of cognitive dissonance that’s really uncomfortable. I get why you’re really want a wall between politics and country music when the best artists making that music are one’s who’s politics you don’t like. But, and I don’t say this with complete derision because we all want to be safe, what you’re asking for is safe space. But the best country music doesn’t abide for that right now for conservatism. Wishing it away by telling people to “shut up and sing” wont save you. You have to tune out, or listen in spite of not being completely affirmed.
April 27, 2023 @ 7:06 pm
“Many of the best country artists in the world are asserting liberal politics, and that’s hard for you and this author.”
Ryan,
This statement is 100% incorrect.
“Many of the best country artists in the world are asserting liberal politics,” Sucking up, as it were.
Yes, because playing follow the leader is so much simpler, easier, less stressful, than standing up for what is correct.
Getting music published is the same as getting books published in the U.S.
You better be kissing the asses of the rabid left liberal editors and management at the publishing houses.
Anyone who’s says otherwise is lying through their teeth.
April 27, 2023 @ 7:23 pm
Nothing says “independent thinker” like being a member of a political movement that converts racial and social grievance into tax cuts for billionaires. Nothing says “stick it to the man” like voting for politicians whose first priority in office is protecting the carried interest loophole.
April 27, 2023 @ 10:17 pm
Ryan,
You’re a smart guy and a good writer.
I’m not as liberal as you are–I got banned from a mainstream site for defending Trump (and banned from Red Stae for criticizing him)–but I like incisive writing.
April 28, 2023 @ 1:00 pm
Le smug moral superiority.
April 28, 2023 @ 2:07 pm
It’s not about that, cause it’s not about me. But I do think some ideas and values are better for society than others. I know you do too. That’s exactly the conversation. That’s the give and take of democracy.
May 1, 2023 @ 10:42 am
Conservatism is marginalized in the cultural arena by the so-called “tolerant” side.
That is just a basic fact. Pointing it out is not whining.
But I am not surprised. 60+ years of indoctrination in education has led to this outcome. Conservatives just sat back and let it happen.
Now the country is reaping the bitter harvest.
April 27, 2023 @ 2:03 pm
The best way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. A gun is just a tool that can be used for good or evil. It’s the intent of the person holding the gun that determines how it’s used.
April 28, 2023 @ 5:34 am
Dave F,
Best comment on this whole thing 🙏
April 29, 2023 @ 6:58 am
I think many good points were made in this article. I do want to point out that if we publicly release every shooters manifesto, we’re incentivizing shootings. It does create a situation where if you’re unwell and you want to make as big of a statement as possible and get your ideas heard, the best way to do that is kill a lot of innocent people. Its important that experts look into the root causes of these shootings and we as a democratic public need to be willing to discuss those issues and vote to address the issues. I don’t think that publishing every manifesto is the best way to do that.
Ultimately I think America suffers from incredible gun violence because we’re a land of haves and have nots. Without addressing the material, social, and spiritual conditions that push people into hopelessness, we won’t make any major impacts. And I think addressing those material conditions have to come first. You can’t build a healthy society when people are working two jobs and still can’t afford rent. You can’t have a healthy society when young folks don’t have the families they want because they can’t afford to feed and clothe themselves let alone more dependents. How can you feel spiritually fulfilled when you spend all of your time just trying to fulfill your physical needs?
I don’t care what the Nashville shooter specifically wrote, I think those are the first things we need to address. I think people wouldn’t be so angry and politically polarized if their immediate needs were met. Hungry people are angry. I think we blame our neighbors for our problems when really it’s the top 0.0000001% of people who are deciding how the economy is going to work and what kind of trade policy is going to destroy manufacturing and buying up whole neighborhoods of what used to be starter homes and turning them into overpriced rentals who are actually causing our problems. But it’s much easier for me to recognize that as a person with the time and energy to inform myself and think about these things. Back when I worked 3 jobs to make ends meet, I was just passed off and tired.
April 29, 2023 @ 7:34 am
A couple of things. First, I didn’t include any of the shooter’s names in this article. I think this is where the press is partially responsible for these mass shootings, by spreading the names and faces far and wide, which just encourages more individuals who see mass shootings as a way to go down in a blaze of glory.
Second, I’m not saying to post the Covenant shooter’s manifesto online verbatim. However, over a month after the shooting, we still do not have a publicly-cited “motive.” This is critical to understanding WHY the shooting happened and attempting to prevent it in the future. That is much more important than trying to implicate “country music” because it happened in Nashville.
April 29, 2023 @ 8:05 am
What I really want to know is what medical doctor prescribed psychotropic drugs each and every one of these individuals are using when they do this shit. “Side effects may include wanting to shoot random nine year old children in the face. If these symptoms persist, call your doctor right away.”
April 27, 2023 @ 4:07 pm
Human beings without guns will always be at the mercy of the human beings with guns. The fact that no Nation State/Government on planet Earth is willing to disarm is telling.
April 28, 2023 @ 5:38 am
…it seems to me that there exists a bit of a difference between the strategic (national) level of security and the individual (“human being”/person) one. think again, sir.
April 28, 2023 @ 6:52 am
I’m not sure what you mean.
May 1, 2023 @ 10:43 am
The biggest threat to my life and freedom is not a random shooter but the US government and the UN.
And they aren’t dumping their weapons any time soon. So why should I? What makes them more important for security than me?
April 27, 2023 @ 5:03 pm
This guy seems to think he’s influential. The bullying “silence is complicity” is the cherry on top and it works against his cause. They just don’t get it.
April 27, 2023 @ 5:50 pm
Thank you, Trigger. Excellent well-balanced piece.
April 27, 2023 @ 6:05 pm
You could write another thousand words and still be wrong. Ketch is right on the money. It’s so freaking logical and obvious it’s crazy that you all try to convince yourself of something else by pulling up a bunch of irrational, illogical BS.
April 27, 2023 @ 6:09 pm
Folks,
I’m not posting this for the Communist; the Communist knows the data. The Communist knows full-well what he’s done to the black populations of inner cities, because it was intentional. The inner-city black person is now a malcontent the Communist has weaponized to advance his religion. Don’t let the Communist fool you; he’s never shed one tear over a dead child. The Communist sees every dead child, and every dead black person, as an opportunity to disarm you. The Communist wants to disarm you, so you can no longer defend yourself from what he wants to do to you.
I’m posting this, so that all the easily-manipulated, “non-political” midwits can see what’s really going on. If you really want to help black people, which would also lower gun violence, you should devote your life to stopping the American Communist.
Top States By Percentage Black Population compared to Homicide Rates
%Black Population
1. Washington DC- 49.36% 1st In homicides
2. Mississippi- 39.21% 2nd In homicides
3. Louisiana- 34.28% 3rd In homicides
4. Georgia- 31.7% 11th in homicides
5. Maryland- 31.48% 9th In homicides
6. South Carolina- 26.49% 5th In homicides
7. Alabama- 26.46% 3rd In homicides
8. Delaware- 22.71% 12th In homicides
9. North Carolina- 22.09% 13th In homicides
10. Virginia- 20.67% 24th In homicides(close proximity to DC, which could be considered a Virginia City)
12. Tennessee 17.02% 8th In homicides
14. Arkansas 16.12% 10th In homicides
15. Illinois 15.68% 7th In homicides
States with high homicide rates that don’t fall into the top 15 by black population, like Missouri and Michigan, are easily explained by the major cities in those states with large black populations: St. Louis, Kansas City, Detroit.
April 28, 2023 @ 1:18 pm
It’s funny, most of those states also have Southern culture in common, and Republican leadership.
April 27, 2023 @ 6:34 pm
Ketch should call Willie Watson and beg him to come back. Everything after Carry Me Back has been boring.
April 30, 2023 @ 6:54 pm
Don’t laugh. Old Crow’s website says they will be doing a few dates in Montana and Utah with Willie in July.
April 27, 2023 @ 6:36 pm
FACT CHECK:
It has been stated time and time again that “no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq.” That is NOT A FACTUAL STATEMENT. Members of the United States armed forces suffered injuries in discovering and neutralizing CHEMICAL WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION in Iraq that were the products of the Saddam Hussein regime.
April 27, 2023 @ 7:48 pm
Trigger,
Is my response to Countryfan68, not allowed?
It is a discussion of murdered children.
Think it is a very important element, and how far as a Nation we have come in devaluing life.
The comment to Countryfan68 is a valid one.
Asking respectfully.
April 27, 2023 @ 7:59 pm
Di,
This is not a discussion about abortion. You do this Every. Single. Time. You take an already contentious discussion, and try to not just figure out how to pour gasoline on it, but drop a nuclear bomb on it. By doing this, you jeopardize the constructive nature on this discussion for EVERYBODY.
BUt CounTrYFan sAiD ‘X’.
I don’t care. Ignore him them.
April 27, 2023 @ 8:11 pm
You are missing the entire point, but i will not press.
April 27, 2023 @ 9:05 pm
I did not say, “BUt CounTrYFan sAiD ‘X’.”
You said that and attributed it to me.
Irresponsible.
April 27, 2023 @ 7:59 pm
Once again, Trigger writes an eloquent, articulate article, where he walks right up to the truth, and stops just short of shaking its hand.
Ketch Secor is a hipster, who performs C(c)ountry Music as a novelty, similar to Joshua Hedley, or any of the other East Nashville Communists. This shouldn’t be a revelation to anyone. He’s not a country person, and has a surface-level understanding of rural America, which honestly, is only slightly less than the understanding that Trigger seems to have…at times, evidenced by comments like this:
….”They listen to country music to get away from these kinds of polarizing matters, to decompress and unwind, and they resent anyone who disrespects the institution of country music by trying to politicize it, even if they ironically (and often, hypocritically) are more open to it when it comes from a value system they believe in, and usually conservatism.”……
Trigger seems to want us to believe that it’s hypocritical for rural people to want performers of OUR music to share and promote OUR values. After writing about C(c)ountry Music for almost 15 years, Trigger still doesn’t understand that C(c)ountry Music is the musical voice of a specific people, and that those people have specific values.
This is where Trigger shines a little bit, but disappoints by not naming the ideology:
……”The problem is they are buying into an elitist ideology being perpetrated by academia and activist journalists who have been drilled on this idea that the way to change the American electorate from Red to Blue is to embed themselves into the country music community, and use its artists and institutions like a bullhorn to then spread their political ideologies.”……..
This is Trigger being a naive doofus:
…..”But again, it’s not working, it never has, and it never will.”…….
Grown men went onto a Country awards show, and shook their prosthetic tits in America’s face, but Trigger believes “it’s not working, it never has, and it never will”.
…..”Ultimately, these efforts only have the outcome of feeding into further elite discourse that looks to lay blame on others and to divide, when in reality we are all to blame for the level of gun violence in America. We’re all complicit in creating an environment where so many feel the only way to express themselves is violence against innocents and suicide, and we all have a responsibility to try and do something about it in our everyday interactions with others.”……
No…no we’re not all to blame. The spirit of the age is to blame for the Communist, and the Communist is to blame for the destruction. The Communist HATES children. If he can’t kill them before they’re born, he’ll mutilate them and rape them after they’re born. If he can’t mutilate or rape them, he’ll murder them and blame it on you, and then use their death as an excuse to disarm you. We cannot share a country. We need more division, not less.
But I’m not frustrated by the Communist; I know what he is, and I know what he wants to do. I’m frustrated by the naive people like Trigger, who just cannot seem to figure it out, but get so close. If the Middle Ground Fallacy were a person, it would be Trigger and those like him.
April 28, 2023 @ 6:06 am
I think a lot of the hipster spillover into country music is due to how close country music is to folk music. Leftists have asserted control over folk music for just about the past 100 years (e.g., Pete Seeger), and folk music is one space in which the only allowable viewpoint is – and has pretty much always been – leftism.
That said, the modern hipster country artist understands economics much more than we typically give them credit for. That is, they understand that folk music has a dwindling fan base and that, as a result, there’s no money to be made in folk music (as Alan Jackson explains quite well in “Gone Country”). As such, the hipster now makes country music, in hopes of appealing to a broader audience.
Which gets to the point of this article: why do country music hipsters stay quiet about their politics until they achieve some type of success? As Honky points out, there is a wide dissonance in their values and those of country music fans. They know that saying anything before a critical point will alienate those fans and lose them money. You see, the country music hipster is a hypocrite, just like all of the billionaire leftists who advocate for higher taxes and lower standards of living… for everyone else. And as part of that they despise and loathe the very people who gave them the platform they now misuse: actual country music fans.
April 28, 2023 @ 10:37 am
ChrisP,
I appreciate your comments. I’ve moved you into my Top-5 list of SCM commenters, primarily based on you seemingly being the only person here who understands what’s going on, or one of the few anyway.
I just hope neither you, nor anyone else, has mistaken me for someone who believes Communists don’t understand economics. I mean, there’s probably a ton of outer-schoolers who don’t, but trained inner-schoolers, like the BLM founders for example, know how to make a pretty penny off the perceived grievances of the malcontents. And you’re spot-on about a lot of hipster acts too, although I hadn’t thought of them that way until now…that part of the motivation for them to move to Nashville was money.
April 29, 2023 @ 5:53 pm
You blame the communists for the rain, beer boogers, and your mom-dad leaving you. Holy cow – you need a vacation.
April 27, 2023 @ 8:50 pm
In all these comments and the article, has no-one brought up “Humdinger” from OCMS 3rd album?
… we got wine, whisky, women and guns, how can you afford not to have any fun….
Its a heck of a song about a heck of a party.
Having said that, coming from Australia it all sounds insane.
I don’t pretend that my voice counts for anything except an outside opinion, but I think US people don’t realise that we still have guns here. We just have laws to keep them locked up.
You can keep your AK-15s, but lock them up. When you friend down the road starts keeping his unlocked and cuddling it and laughing evilly, you know something is wrong.
No, its not a simple answer, BUT I believe you’d get a lot more done by asking for RESPONSIBLE gun ownership than banning.
And yes, to an earlier question, this does mean that if you leave a gun where it can be easily stolen you are partly responsible. You don’t leave a sharp knife in a daycare centre, you don’t leave a gun where idiots can get it.
Do Australian gun laws annoy me? Sure, its a bit excessive, but personally I own guns, I use them for fun, my friends do the same and I have never had to worry about a shooting situation. Our cops are less scared for their lives, so in return they can be more relaxed so we don’t fear getting shot by them.
Less stress, more time for music.
April 27, 2023 @ 9:08 pm
I was going to bring up “Humdinger” in this article, but it just got too long and it felt like a tangent. Not only does the song mention guns, this is the 2nd chorus:
“We Got Wine, Whiskey, Women And Guns
How Can You Afford Not To Have Any Fun
If You’re Not A Right Winger
Then We’ll All Have A Humdinger”
I brought this up when reviewing Old Crow back in the day, questioning what “right winger” had anything to do with anything. It seemed like an unnecessary and nonsensical veering into the political space, and I think probably showed Old Crow’s hand as being a bit politically naive.
I remember around that same time, Leroy Virgil/Hellbound Glory was featuring his song “Showing Off Sure Is Fun” with the line,
I’ll bang on my guitar just like a barbarian
I like to party with Republicans
I think this really speaks to the switcheroo of the American political makeup of the last 20 years that some still have not picked up on.
April 27, 2023 @ 9:03 pm
is there a reason the like/dislike button no longer appears in comments or is this an error on my end? because any site that censors public opinion immediately loses credibility with me as it reeks of having something to hide , i hope this is only a temporary glitch but fear its not
either way we don’t have a gun problem in America we have a problem the media refuse to discuss which is the mental health of certain political parties (hint when they arent drinking the kool aid they color their hair with it) and certain ethnicities, and if that sounds racist to you then maybe you are, because telling the truth isn’t racist or biased but hiding it sure is.
April 27, 2023 @ 9:11 pm
The “like” button, news ticker, and other features are currently unavailable as we’re currently doing work on the back end of the site. It’s not an attempt to “censor” anybody. Go try and leave a comment on Rolling Stone and tell me how that goes, and then tell me about censorship.
April 28, 2023 @ 4:31 am
If we could stop the hate maybe we could stop the shooting.
April 28, 2023 @ 5:06 am
…country music’s latest popular contribution to the gun violence debatte in the us is “wait in the truck”, if i’m not completely mistaken, there would be some room for improvement left, wouldn’t it? ketch secor might have a valid point there.
April 28, 2023 @ 6:40 am
Despite the language in the constitution that says the rights to bare arms shall not be infringed, there is and has been recently a large number of laws passed regulating the use of firearms. Despite this, the use of firearms in criminal activity continues. This is because no matter how many restrictive laws you pass, the reality remains the same. Criminals don’t obey laws. More and more restrictive legislature only lessens the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens.
America has a societal problem of acceptance and minimization of criminal and deviate behavior in the name of social justice, while attempting to place blame of the individual misdeeds on an inanimate object.
April 28, 2023 @ 7:01 am
::YAWN:: #1 The world will always have evil people. #2 As many have stated, us bumpkins are not the only ones with guns ,thanks tho, Keith, Kyler, err, Ketch. I am changing my ways after a careful reading of your fabulous NYT piece.
April 28, 2023 @ 7:30 am
Strange time for Secor to express his views as he readies himself and the band to hit the road with Hank Williams Jr. It was an odd pairing to begin with and this will make it more interesting. We are going to that show June 10th and we’ll see if Secor speaks to an impressionable audience and its reception.
April 28, 2023 @ 7:44 am
I’m curious if he’ll accuse the audience of complicity. Please report back.
April 28, 2023 @ 10:44 am
I hope he does. I hope we start seeing videos going viral of him being booed, followed by videos of CD smashing/burning. He needs a thorough Dixie-Chicking. It’s about accountability. Ketch wrote something he shouldn’t have, and he needs to be held accountable for it.
April 30, 2023 @ 8:33 pm
How dare somebody have an opinion that doesn’t completely align with yours?
April 28, 2023 @ 8:22 am
I try to separate artists art from their political and personal beliefs. Some of my favorites either believed crazy shit, or shit that runs counter to what I believe. Leading that list: Nina Simone & Jason Isbell. I can separate their personal beliefs from their art and just enjoy their art.
Regards Old Crow, I don’t care how they vote but I care that they suck at music. The move to Nashville has infected their brains, they are unwatchable. I saw them recently opening for Turnpike a couple of months ago. I felt like I was watching an act from Dolly Parton’s Dixie Stampede in Pigeon Forge, a childrens show. Except I didn’t get the mediocre baked potato and half a chicken. They were a grotesque caricature of bluegrass music. I literally felt icky watching them and headed to piss and get some concessions to wait out the musical disaster that was playing out on stage.
As soon as I saw those three Tennessee stars on their drum kit I knew they were going to suck, and suck they did.
Old Crow is musically awful and irrelevant at this point. I don’t care one bit what they think about politics or guns.
April 28, 2023 @ 8:27 am
You lost me at New York Times and CNN…
April 28, 2023 @ 8:34 am
I don’t know how Ketch balances being a loud gun hater and touring with Hank Williams Jr, but I’m here for it
April 28, 2023 @ 9:34 am
I think the thing to keep in mind is that we have a representative government. The majority of people in the country support more gun controls. Most of those people live in or around ‘blue’ areas, including ‘blue’ cities in ‘red’ states. Country music reaches deep into ‘red’ territory. A country star voicing support for gun control won’t cause every country fan to immediately vote ‘blue’, but it might sway a number of fans to do that. If Ketch and stars like him can sway just a handful of votes here and there then the country gets more gun control. The opinions of the famous are an effective means to change, especially when the democratic majority is on the side of the opinion being voiced. In other words, if it’s a close contest, you try to get as many influential people as possible on your side of the tug of war. That’s all he’s doing. It’s hardly an idea hatched by the ‘intellectual elite’ unless you’re referring to the ‘intellectual elite’ that founded the country.
April 28, 2023 @ 10:08 am
“The majority of people in the country support more gun controls.”
This is a fallacy.
April 28, 2023 @ 11:26 am
nope. 71% of americans say gun laws should be stricter
https://apnews.com/article/gun-violence-covid-health-chicago-c912ecc5619e925c5ea7447d36808715
April 28, 2023 @ 12:25 pm
Just made this point in another comment as well. As I said in the article, this is the reason that thinking changing public sentiment will result in actual change in society is a bit naive. Our government isn’t representing our interests right now, whether you agree with stricter gun laws or not. Dumping the responsibility on country fans and artists to somehow do something when the politicians who are actually in power aren’t even listening is a fool’s errand.
April 28, 2023 @ 1:32 pm
Nope.
Quoting the Associated Press – NORC “poll” does not make that statement any less of a fallacy.
April 28, 2023 @ 11:04 am
First, we do not have a representative government. If we did, more strict gun laws would have been passed years ago and we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. The minimum wage would be $15/hr., everyone would have healthcare, everyone would always have access to abortion in cases of rape and incest. These are all extremely popular ideas. Instead, we live in an autocrasy controlled by the power elite and lobbyists that keep popular sentiment from influencing public policy. This was a point I made in the article, and one of the many reasons Ketch’s idea will not work.
I appreciate that Ketch Secor wants to do something, and I commend his leadership. All I am saying is that his efforts will be ineffective at best, and counter-productive at worst. His intention is irrelevant. The outcome is what matters. I don’t have a dog in this race. I don’t take stances on political topics. But having covered country music for 15 years and studied it for much longer, I know what the outcome will be here. I’m offering my wisdom on the matter. If folks want to ignore it, that’s fine.
As far as the intellectual elite, like I said in the article, I don’t know that I necessarily want to lump Ketch into that crowd, though he did attend Ithaca College. But make no mistake about it, there are academics and journalists—many who have made their intentions known in thesis/academic papers and articles—that infiltrating country music’s institutions and using them and bullhorns to assuage country music fans to change their political stripes is an active and ongoing strategy. Ketch’s ideas are downstream from this effort that has proven itself time and time again to be ineffective, or counter-productive to their causes. It has only caused country music to become even more right, and more emboldened to share those right-leaning views. Not vice-versa.
April 28, 2023 @ 12:25 pm
“I don’t take stances on political topics“
Can you take a firmer stand on him accusing people like you of being “complicit” in murder? That is what he saying, I presume.
April 29, 2023 @ 6:08 am
We do have a representative government. Imperfect, but representative at local, State, and Federal level. Those representatives ‘represent’ an incredibly diverse – historically diverse – population. Our country, well past time of founding, was owned by multiple nations, and populated by their immigrants, as well as multiple indigenous nations and their people. Our origin was a giant mess of cultures and expectations. We aren’t Finland. Thinking that a country with our history will be easy to manage with some kind of ideal political mechanism is naive. And thank god for the intellectual elite, without whom we wouldn’t have America, or the second amendment for that matter. Every founding father was an intellectual elitist. Those trying to similarly move the human race forward today are intellectual elitists. Universities lean progressive because thinking is progressive. George Washington was a progressive, a radical thinker. As was Jefferson. Are universities always right? No, they are often terribly wrong because thinkers, as intellectual chance takers, are often wrong. But the delta is progress. Ignorance, going backwards, always results in misery. History teaches that.
April 29, 2023 @ 6:23 am
Kamala Harris could not have said it any better. “Delta is progress” indeed. Bravo!
April 29, 2023 @ 7:38 am
The United States is currently run by a power elite/corporate donor/lobbyist class that actively keeps popular statutes from being enacted, and allows unpopular politicians to keep getting elected. A majority of Americans do not want President Biden to run for another term, including a majority of Democrats, and people who voted for him last election. The majority of Americans also hate the idea of a Trump/Biden choice. So why are they still running? Because the system is so corrupt, it favors those who have power to maintain power. That is definitely not representative, and that is definitely no what our Founding Fathers envisioned.
April 29, 2023 @ 7:51 am
Don’t be so sure the majority of Americans don’t want Trump back in office.
April 29, 2023 @ 11:02 am
That is absolutely partially true. It’s been true since the beginning. There was never a time when the US government was run by the common folks, for the common folks. But our government has become more democratic over time, not less, thanks to constitutional amendments, and an increase of influence of the average person, not less. The government is slow to respond to the will of the people, which is actually good – we don’t want to be governed by knee jerk popular poll. It’s the same reason that the branches were set up – to slow things down and make sure that every decision was a considered decision. Again, not perfect, but good. You should run for local office. You obviously care, and I think that if you spent some time within the system you’d have a better appreciation of it. You may even be able to affect some change in your direction of choice. It’s far from perfect but there isn’t anywhere in the world as diverse as we are with a better working system.
May 1, 2023 @ 10:48 am
“Every founding father was an intellectual elitist.”
Not even close. Washington would be the first to admit that he was no political thinker and was, in fact, embarrassed that he never received a college education.
Your knowledge of history is pitiful.
April 28, 2023 @ 11:46 am
At the Local, State, and Federal level there are over 24 million people employed by the Government in the United States of America. How many of these folks “represent” you? The US has the largest debt in the history of the world. The Federal Income Tax was illegal until 1913. Now you and the product of your labor are the collateral. The US has permanent military bases in over eighty countries worldwide and is the largest arms dealer in the history of the world. My ancestors were promised “limited government” with “few and defined powers”. Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated?
May 1, 2023 @ 10:50 am
This nation died in 1913.
We went to war with England over taxation. Now we are told we are fascists because we disagree with our high rates of taxation.
The show “Sleepy Hollow” had a scene about that. Ichabod Crane wakes in modern America and can’t understand why we aren’t revolting over high taxes. Of course, we are also told that revolting is bad, even though, we were founded by a revolt.
Amazing, isn’t it?
May 1, 2023 @ 11:33 am
Haha, you make me laugh. Go to Gulag.
April 28, 2023 @ 1:13 pm
“investigators are refusing to the release the shooter’s manifesto publicly, which specifically details why the shooting occurred. How are we supposed to address the root causes of mass shootings when the public is not even allowed to learn what motivated this particular incident? The answer is simple. They don’t want us to know.”
You should read less conspiracy theories and biased right wing media. First off, they announced they’re releasing the manifesto. Second, they never “refused” to begin with; investigators do not release that info immediately, it’s usually found because the shooter posted it somewhere. Third, as a journalist, you should be more aware of the contagion effect and the danger of giving the shooter a platform they so desperately want. The suicide epidemic of the nineties ended after the media changed how they reported on it.
April 28, 2023 @ 1:47 pm
Overall I thought it was a good article trigger. So many opinions thrown around, I don’t even need to really put mine in there. What I will bring up is those numbers people touting around about violence in the big cities vs rural settings. A lot of the crime in larger cities is under reported by a large amount. They choose not to prosecute or even stop or detain people because it’s city policy to let that stuff go. Other places you don’t get away with such things so it’s always reported. It’s these big cities were governed just like smaller cities and towns, you would see much different numbers. Also to bring percentages into it is rather absurd. If you look at it that way, a typical fist fight between two people in a small town or village would would raise the percentage much higher vs mob violence in a big city like Chicago that has far far more people. But a smart person can see the real problem, it isn’t the two guys having a fight in the small town. In the city, that same fight doesn’t even get counted as a crime. A worldly smart person doesn’t try to use those percentages cause those statistics don’t take into account any biases or differences in reporting.
April 29, 2023 @ 1:14 pm
Thank God for the NRA this messed up right now country would be much worse if it were not for them God bless them what they stand for and all they do every day because so many of these stupid ass people can not get it in there heads that the right to bare arms is our constitution right and to take it away means all of the other rights like freedom of speech etc… Can be taken away as well. People it’s not a gun problem it never had been it never will be it’s not taking responsibility for your own family and friends there has not been one shooting in this country that wasn’t determined later that the person had years of serious mental issues yet not a single person reported them or made any effort to get them help. Nobody does shit cause nobody wants to get involved that’s none of my business they will say so it’s non of your business that you know someone with a clear mental defect that is more than capable of hurting themselves and many others but then after they do it then you want to go after who ever made the product they used to carry out there crazy plan. It’s funny i don’t see mothers against drunk drivers going after Chevrolet or dodge when people are killed by drunk drivers ! No because it’s stupid ! And that is what all of you idiots that keep screening gun control gun band are stupid and lazy. You want to say that one device is the cause of really have you ever done the math on how many people have had there lives taken by the blade? Threw all the battles threw the bible time mid evil time its way more than ar 15 could ever cause. Have you ever taken the propane bottle off of your bar b q grill when it’s half full of gas and shot it with a single shot 20 gage ? Try it some time you won’t be so concerned about ar 15 any more what then you going to protest that america no longer sell gas bottles for grills? Well that is how stupid you anti gun people sound. Take the old black pipe loose in your house put caps on both ends of the fill them just with the powder from fire crackers sold to kids at road side stands every year drill a hole put a fuse from the fire cracker in it and light it you know have a pipe bomb it will do much more damage than an ar 15 so you going to ban firecrackers ban the sale of black water or gas pipes that is how stupid you sound i could go on and on it’s not the product it the person your harboring blaming a product that is produced by a million dollar company is far easier than looking in the mirror cause after all we have this name and appearance to keep and you don’t want to take that chance that someone might think something bad about your family oh no hell no you had much rather keep your mouth shut til they do there terrible act then act like you had no idea they were warped and blame the company that made the product they used to kill with. Think about that the next time you come up on a massive car wreck on the highway and a whole family is killed because of a drunk driver on his 3rd 4th or worse DWI find out what make and model of the car they were driving and start marching in Washington that that car no longer be built and have all the ones that are still on the road taken off and crushed cause we don’t want some fucking drunk killing people with a goddamn Ford ranger!!!!
April 30, 2023 @ 2:31 am
As a non-American you can probably tell me this is not my business but unfortunately what happens in America has reprocussions on the rest of the world. I , like so many others, cannot understand your obsession with guns. Many others countries have gained independence and not felt it necessary to hoard guns because of what happened 200 years ago.
As far as I can see this article is just a cop-out, an excuse to do and say nothing for fear of upsetting fans. Unfortunately, while the NRA have such influence,AK-47s are sold along side a loaf of bread and the general public do nothing the mayhem will continue.
A life-long country music fan I do not feel comfortable visiting the USA anymore.
April 30, 2023 @ 7:42 am
“As far as I can see this article is just a cop-out, an excuse to do and say nothing for fear of upsetting fans.”
I’ve seen numerous folks react to this article with this conclusion. And though you may disagree with the article for certain reasons, this statement is empirically false. As I said in the article, it’s really easy to sit back and tear down what Ketch Secor said, and then offer no solution yourself. As I said, there’s is 80% consensus behind trying to make sure guns don’t end up in the possession of people suffering from mental illness, and in 100% of the cases, the individuals perpetrating mass shootings are mentally ill. This could make major strides in reducing the amount of mass shootings, while nebulosly proposing that “country music” somehow miraculously flip its political alignment and become a vocal proponent of gun control, it’s fair to file in the realm of the supernatural.
To help solve this problem you have to understand it inherently, and we ALL have to ask what we can do to solve it, as opposed to lumping the responsibility on others because we don’t want to face the grim reality that we ALL are participating in a society that hatches psychopaths at an alarming clip.
April 30, 2023 @ 12:27 pm
You do realize that there are currently at least 50 million people held in slavery, right? That’s around 1 out of every 150 people alive today, not “200 years ago” – the majority being women and children. What about this “mayhem”? Will you, personally, continue to “do nothing” and let this practice continue forever? The people once enslaved in the United States did not free themselves – they were purposely kept disarmed, dependent, and defenseless. It is not an accident that the people who are physically the most vulnerable are exponentially more likely to be victimized. I’m not sure what country you live in, but I guarantee that your government, whom you rely on for your physical protection, is heavily armed. There is a reason for that.
April 30, 2023 @ 12:51 pm
The NRA is a fine organization.
Membership consists of a tremendous amount of responsible citizens
April 30, 2023 @ 2:08 pm
“As far as I can see this article is just a cop-out, an excuse to do and say nothing for fear of upsetting fans”
I’m hearing this kind of talk from Lefties in my area, too. Must be a circulating talking point.
If you don’t point to realities which might be out of your control, *no one* will ever do anything about them. No one will ever understand what’s going on.
Country fans who love the USA, its Constitution, its Bill of Rights, are doing plenty when they make a stink about steering the country back toward liberty and prosperity. The problem isn’t guns. The problem at its root is fatherlessness. Literally and figuratively.
If more people decided to turn dysfunctional areas toward fatherhood, it would only take a generation or two at most to turn those places around.
But too many people, including race hustlers, get rich on that not happening.
April 30, 2023 @ 3:37 pm
There’s fatherless children in Australia, New Zealand and England. How do you explain why there’s no mass shootings there?
May 1, 2023 @ 10:51 am
Our gun culture probably saved your country’s ass in WW1 or WW2 and pays for your country’s defense.
April 30, 2023 @ 3:21 pm
The solution is so painfully obvious and its only made complex because right wing politicians and media have convinced its audience to become so paranoid they feel they NEED to own guns and are constantly trying to overcomplicate the issue. And you’re only feeding into it.
Every other Western country has mental health issues. Every other Western country experienced polarization, loneliness and paranoia during the pandemic. I live in Australia. Covid Laws were much stricter here than they were in America. There were protests everywhere yet we don’t have mass shootings here. And even if those issues are partly to blame, I don’t see why you can’t address them while also introducing stricter gun laws.
I’ve never heard a good counter argument against harsher gun laws. I thought somewhere in your article I’d find it but no
April 30, 2023 @ 3:59 pm
If you believe it is painfully obvious that the best way to solve America’s gun violence is to get Jason Aldean, Luke Combs, and Morgan Wallen to come out and espouse political beliefs that in reality they hold the exact opposite views of, thus miraculously causing Americans to come forward en masse to turn in their guns over, best of luck, and full speed ahead.
April 30, 2023 @ 5:31 pm
Why blame mental health or the pandemic for mass shootings? Its an easy argument to destroy just by pointing out that those issues are happening in a lot of countries where there’s no mass shootings. The problem is very clear, as is the solution. Theres no need to overcomplicate it.
If you wanted to make this article about country artists speaking up. Then just talk about that. That’s a separate debate. Personally, I have no issue with country artists speaking up. Even if they end up having opposite views to my own, at least it keeps these issues at the forefront of people’s minds. I know people listen to music to escape but the biggest problem in society right now is that there is too much escapism. With the internet, it’s very easy to move on. Those elitists in power that you criticise, rely on that. They rely on the public forgetting about these issues (whatever they are) tomorrow, so nothing ends up getting done.
April 30, 2023 @ 6:57 pm
Tammy,
I did not blame the pandemic on mass shootings. I simply explained how during the pandemic, 15 million new Americans became gun owners, and 60 million new guns were put into circulation, complicating the attempt to control the amount of guns in American society. That is certainly relevant to this discussion.
And of course mental health is to blame for mass shootings, at least in part. There is nearly universal consensus behind that, which makes for an avenue for addressing the issue in pragmatic ways.
April 30, 2023 @ 5:58 pm
Who will implement these “harsher gun laws”? The government. Who created and controls the government in Australia – indigenous Australians? Hardly. A government overwhelmingly comprised of and controlled by the direct descendants of the European imperialists who committed the Aboriginal genocide and conquered the continent for themselves and their progeny. A government whose response to and treatment of its own citizens during COVID more resembled and mirrored the conduct of the Chinese Communist Party than a country which claims to be democratically controlled. Not very surprising from a government which has gone so far as to make voting legally compulsory. It is literally a crime in Australia to not endorse the “legitimacy” the ruling class. How soon will your country resemble one giant Howard Springs “quarantine” facility? Gun control definitely works – the human animals who have all of the guns have all of the control. Didn’t work out so well for Aboriginal Australians, did it? Narcissistic sociopaths are drawn to arbitrary political power like the proverbial moth to the flame. Anyone who wants to take your guns away but gets to keep their guns wants to dominate you. Period. There are 50 million people enslaved today. Are they simply being “paranoid”, or could they reasonably believe that they would actually benefit from having access to a technology that could potentially literally liberate them from a life of exploitation, rape, and torture? Every slave needs a gun. Every slaveholder needs a bullet.
May 1, 2023 @ 10:53 am
Your people were herded into camps during the pandemic but you are free from worry.
What a joke.
May 1, 2023 @ 1:47 pm
“ A man, without force, is without the essential dignity of humanity. Human nature is so constituted, that it cannot _honor_ a helpless man, although it can _pity_ him; and even this it cannot do long, if the signs of power do not arise.”
Frederick Douglass 1855
May 1, 2023 @ 2:07 pm
No we were just asked to stayed home for a few months and we were allowed to visit family, go out doors, have a couple of visitors over and received financial support from the governement for it.
I’ll take that over having to worry about my kids being shot dead in school any day.
May 1, 2023 @ 3:47 pm
“I’ll take that over having to worry about my kids being shot dead in school any day.“
You still have over 3.5 million reasons to worry. There are more guns in Australia now than before the Port Arthur massacre. The leading cause of death of children between the ages of 1 and 17 in the United States is suicide, not school shootings or gun violence. Not a whole lot better in Australia. I’m sure social media addiction has nothing to do with it. Mind control technologies are healthy, so parents should definitely provide and proliferate them amongst their children. TikTok only has the best interest of your kids in mind. Our children are ready for those TikTok “challenges”, thank goodness. On a more positive note, I’m glad you were “allowed” to go outdoors. I’m happy you were “allowed” to visit family. It is good that your government paid for your involuntarily incarceration. We had the same thing in my state during COVID, but the people treated that way had already been convicted of murder.
May 1, 2023 @ 8:35 pm
“You still have over 3.5 million reasons to worry. There are more guns in Australia now than before the Port Arthur massacre”
Exactly people can still legally own guns here so I don’t know what you guys are scared of. Our stricter gun laws hasn’t resulted in a total gun ban. Those laws just make sure guns aren’t freely available for just about anyone on the street to buy. That’s why we still havent seen any major mass shootings here, touch wood despite the increase in gun ownership.
That “involuntary incarceration”, I would’ve been happy to do voluntarily because I live with a few elderly family members who have health issues and I didnt want to put them at risk. I’m happy to put my “freedom” aside if it means saving people’s lives. Freedom in any State is an illusion anyway. In any country, we’re all bound by laws and systems that police our behaviour. It just depends on where you want to draw those boundaries. Restricting peoples movements in order to make sure people don’t die from a disease is a line I’m more than happy to support.
May 2, 2023 @ 9:11 am
“I don’t know what you guys are scared of.”
I am not entirely comfortable with giving the world’s largest arms dealer, who has also been waging global wars (In direct and explicit violation of the US Constitution) almost constantly since the conclusion of WW2, any more unilateral power. This same organization has 5,428 nuclear warheads, and is currently using my money and credit to engage in a proxy war with the largest nuclear power on earth, completely without my consent. I don’t know about you, but this definitely concerns me. In addition, this government has become exponentially more authoritarian domestically in my lifetime – to the point where it is almost unrecognizable to me. The last time the US Federal Government officially declared war internationally (which it is legally required to do before engaging in such activity) was WW2. Each time it has subsequently declared war, it has been domestically, and it has been waged on the U.S. citizenry, i.e. “The War on Drugs”, “The War on Terror”, etc. What has resulted is the largest prison population in the world. No drugs were ever thrown in jail, but millions of Americans were. One out of every thirty two people in the U.S. are in prison, on parole, or on probation. In addition, there is no legal requirement for the US Government, at any level, to actually protect us from assault, rape, robbery, or murder. If I am murdered, even if the police are present and do nothing to help me, my family cannot sue. I have to give them money, but they don’t have to give me protection – I literally have to protect myself and my family, while simultaneously praying to God they don’t destroy the world in a nuclear holocaust in pursuit of their efforts to institute one world governance on behalf of the international financial institutions which ultimately own and control them, as well as most other Nation States on earth.
“ Restricting peoples movements in order to make sure people don’t die from a disease is a line I’m more than happy to support.”
During the pandemic Joe Biden became President of the United States. Within 18 months 5 million people, mostly unvaccinated not just for Covid but many other diseases, entered my country illegally. A few days ago a man who had already been deported four times was, once again, in my country illegally. He was in possession of an AR-15, acquired illegally, and executed a family of five. The father of the family called the police and begged for help five times over the course of twenty to thirty minutes. By the time the police (who also are armed with AR-15s) arrived, his nine year old son, his wife, and three other human beings had been murdered. He did not have a gun. He called the government, begged for protection, and then jumped out of a window and ran away as his child was being murdered. I am not naive. The ruling class does not create laws to protect me, they legislate to protect themselves and to further entrench their position in society. The same is true with “gun control” laws. The ruling class’s access to weaponry is never diminished by such legislation, only the classes below them. Therefore, “gun control” is never actually about preventing violence, it is really about determining which groups will have no power – especially the power to resist or threaten the ruling class. Consolidating political power ultimately depends on monopolizing force. Modern China is an excellent example of this.
May 2, 2023 @ 9:54 am
Sir or madam, for this comment, it would be my honor to buy you the drink of your choice were we ever to find ourselves in the same establishment. Very, very well said.
May 1, 2023 @ 8:18 pm
I have said before unlike hip-hop country music has and has had PR problem it just can’t shake. And I don’t know what to do about it. Hip-hop manages to take all in controversies and stereotype and go full blown mainstream but country music (outside very few specific acts) in my lifetime anyway always seem to get relegated to the same talking points.
Now I think about my own father used those same talking points and ironically HIS father was in a cowboy band touring the country in the 1920s. So he grew up with country music.
But certainly my friend and the area I live in have blathered those talking points. I don’t bother defending country music, I just play the damn music and almost 100% somebody goes, “Hey who is this. I like this.”
Apologies for the tangent but I don’t live an area than openly embraces one of my all time favorite genres.
May 2, 2023 @ 2:55 am
New York City has and is one of the biggest centers of world finance for funding destruction in multiple forms not just in the US but the entire world. Sorry but I’ve got no need to be lectured by anyone or anything coming from that place.
May 5, 2023 @ 9:30 am
Your lengthy epistle entitled “country fans may not be unwitting pawns,” sounds more like an attempt to justify the “DON’T CONFUSE ME WITH FACTS…I’VE ALREADY MADE UP MY MIND” credo that the NRA and many assault weapon owners with an “OK Coral” mentality stubbornly cling to when they spit out insults, as they defy statistics, and repeatedly turn their backs on the limp bodies of young children and sobbing parents. Law-abiding communities begging for sensible regulations are not out to “get your precious guns, or violate the Second Amendment of our Constitution.” MOREOVER, AR-15’s are WEAPONS OF WAR; NOT MEANT FOR ATTACKS AGAINST SCHOOLS, CHURCHES, SYNAGOGS, AND INNOCENT CHILDREN!!!
May 5, 2023 @ 4:26 pm
Premise One: AR-15’s are weapons of war.
Premise Two: Almost all Federal, State, and Local Government Law Enforcement Agencies use AR-15’s.
Conclusion: The United States Government is using weapons of war against civilians and U.S. citizens.